Chris Hedges speaking out against Church Cartel End Timers on AAR.

[patrice]

Now.

Re: Church Marketing to the Military = Chaplaincies.

[TornadoTN]

1. Excellent guest

He is making some great points. I'll try to summarize after its finished.

[patrice]

2. Thanks - May I use it when you post? n/t

[TornadoTN]

4. sure thing n/t

[TornadoTN]

5. Slight delay

I'm being called to a meeting in a few moments, but I'll get it finished when I get back.

By then, hopefully others will have it summed up for me :)

[bdamomma]

3. I am listening and what he is saying is frightening he hedged

on Martial law, if god forbid we have a natural disaster or something, bush has enough of these people to reign the Americans in.

[Tellurian]

6. Yes, please do post a summary..

as close as possible including details..

[patrice]

7. Interesting discussion in light of Melanie Sloane's piece yesterday

about a WH denial of a FOI request for information about church leaders visiting the WH 2000-200n; denied because WH Visitor Records have been Classified, i.e. de facto Private Property.

[patrice]

8. Oh yes, and don't forget all of those end-times-fantasy book that were sold!!

Action figures? Cartoon network programming? Disney Deals?

;,,-(

[TornadoTN]

9. And the video game!

Can't forget the Left Behind: Eternal Forces video game. Where you are tasked with killing all the unbelievers during the end-times!

http://www.leftbehindgames.com/

[patrice]

11. Do churches publish business/professional resources?

Do they network congregations?

Many churches ARE Businesses!

[TornadoTN]

13. Oh yes, a lot of that going on here

Here in my area, there is a group of churches that have gone away from actual Bible study, etc. and they are now Social Networks. They have even started business consulting based out of the church - and yet they are still considered tax exempt. One church likes to harass me weekly trying to use their "biblical and spiritual marketing & advertising consulting business services", even though we run all of our marketing operations in house.

[patrice]

14. Christianity is about Free Service.

Free Love.
Free Support.
Free $upport.
Free Fun.
Free Help.
Free Day Care.
Free Friendship.

That ain't anything like what IS going on.

.................

Jesus built a church with NO WALLS.
Hare Krsna!

[bdamomma]

10. OMG SAM HAS KATHERINE HARRIS ON SHE IS LOOSING

IT, IS ANYONE LISTENING, SHE IS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE, WHAT A BATSHIT WOMAN SHE IS.

[patrice]

12. That's Senator Katherine Harris. Get it?

It's Colbertian!

[bobthedrummer]

15. The Pentagon and many other public and private sectors have fundamentalist

extreme RW Christian "influences".

The Pentagon has what is called the Christian Embassy. Jeff Sharlet, Chris Hedges, Wayne Madsen, Greg Palast, Seymour Hersh, Carla Binion, William Arkin, Robert Dreyfuss and many others have reported on this for years.

"Ten Things I Learned From the Pentagon's Prayer Team"
by Jeff Sharlet
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/46262/

"America's Holy Warriors"
by Chris Hedges
http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/views06/0103-59.htm

This installed administration has relied upon the political support of the faith-based community, and that group was the first to receive political appointments as a "reward". The support this administration gets comes from RW fundamentalists and radical Zionists. The bond with radical Zionism and the ideology of Leo Strauss also are major influences in this criminal administration.

Most of these groups are being manipulated, many are just front organizations for agendas that are quite the opposite of those seeking the Gospel of Jesus Christ (anti-Christ), or religious Jewish believers-or anyone seeking God.

It is my belief that this is actually the darkside in operation, the truly evil E in the BFEE.
I'm aware that there are many that worship that (let's call it war) openly, particularly in military circles crossculturally. Militarism is a characteristic of empire, not democracy.

Theocracy is worse.

These RW fundamentalists and radical Zionists use the name of God and Jesus Christ to mask their agenda-much like in the Third Reich, and their intentions just as deadly as the zealots of fundamentalist Islam except "our" fundamentalists have access to all kinds of WMD's.

When your political base is spiritual, anything can happen. I'm aware that the atheist, skeptical and secular may think it's all quite a hoot-but we are being affected by these "influences" and not for the better.