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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 09:06 PM
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CHECK OUT THIS OLD AD- "GUESS WHO'S BUILDING NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS"
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 09:07 PM
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1. K&R
:hi:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 09:10 PM
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2. Wow. Nice!
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BluePatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 09:11 PM
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3. Nice find. K&R
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 09:12 PM
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4. 5th
:applause:

great find!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 09:13 PM
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5. Great find.
Send it to all the war loving nut jobs out there. It will screw up their absolutes.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 09:24 PM
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6. Check this out
I'd link directly to the pdf file but don't know how.

Go here:
http://www.petrodollarwarfare.com /

About the author:
William Clark has received two Project Censored awards, first in 2003 for his ground-breaking research on the Iraq War, oil currency conflict, and U.S. geostrategy and again in 2005 for his research on Iran's upcoming euro-denominated oil bourse. He is an Information Security Analyst, and holds a Master of Business Administration and Master of Science in Information and Telecommunication Systems from Johns Hopkins University. He lives in Rockville, Maryland.

Scroll down to this article

# Hysteria Over Iran and a New Cold War with Russia (December 2006)

A pdf file. 47 pages. Very, very astute.

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 09:25 PM
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7. Just post the URL to it
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 09:34 PM
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9. Thanks.
Now I can show people instead of watching their eyes glass over when I mention things such a "full spectrum dominance".
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Capn Amerika Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 09:28 PM
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8. Just curious. Did you find that?
Great find. K&R
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 09:41 PM
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10. Yes
I was reading a document located here:
http://www.petrodollarwarfare.com /

The document can be found at Post #7 courtesy of Roland99

And in that document I saw the ad and went, hmmm? Hypocrisy much? Well it's actually not hypocrisy once you understand the language.

More importantly it clearly displays that the "Nuclear Issue" is a red herring and used only as code for "Iran isn't playing ball." If the current government of Iran would begin the process of doling out their copious energy resources to Western investors you would see this "crisis" disappear overnight. But what is actually happening is that Iran is now actively transferring their economy into Euro transactions at many points. All of this occurring as the US is actively attempting to place financial/trade leverage on Iran through the UN.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 10:01 PM
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11. Wouldn't it be neat to see the NYT and CNN and the rest of the liberal media
to plaster that 24/7 like a missing blond girl?
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 10:06 PM
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12. I expect
dear citizen that you are in need of extensive reprogramming. Seeking the truth will only do you harm.

:hi:
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 10:44 PM
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13. WaPo did already, sort of...
Yet Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and outgoing Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz held key national security posts when the Ford administration made the opposite argument 30 years ago.

Ford's team endorsed Iranian plans to build a massive nuclear energy industry, but also worked hard to complete a multibillion-dollar deal that would have given Tehran control of large quantities of plutonium and enriched uranium -- the two pathways to a nuclear bomb.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3983-200...
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 11:25 PM
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14. Everybody! Save this image!
What a bizarre ad.

And yet, it reflected the politics of those times.

They were just as wrong then as they were now.

Can anyone say "blowback"?
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:49 AM
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15. Iranian students used to grafitti "Down with the Shah" on the sidewalks at Purdue University
They got their wish in my second year there. Now things are much better there :sarcasm:.
In a while, the students wanted to be called "Persian", not Iranian.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 07:49 AM
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16. Things would be much better in Iran if the CIA would not
have disposed of Mossadeq and not have installed the Sha, using every forbidden trick in the book including false-flag terrorism blamed on Mossadeq - as documented in formerly secret, recently released US government documents.


Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh (Mossadeq (helpinfo))(Persian: محمد مصدق‎‎ Moḥammad Moṣadeq, also Mosaddegh or Mosaddeq) (19 May 1882 - 5 March 1967) was the democratically elected<1> prime minister of Iran from 1951 to 1953. He was twice appointed to office by Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran, and approved by the vote of parliament <2>. Mossadegh was a nationalist and passionately opposed foreign intervention in Iran. He was also the architect of the nationalization of the Iranian oil industry which was dominated and exploited by the British through the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (today known as British Petroleum (BP)).
...
On 4 April 1953 CIA director Dulles approved $1 million to be used "in any way that would bring about the fall of Mossadegh"
...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Mossadegh

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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 08:02 AM
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17. You are absolutely correct with your citation of last century's petro-colonialism
What the heck did I know when I was a teenager? The US is always the good guys, aren't they? Stop Communism??
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 08:19 AM
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18. Interestingly, some people still dispute the CIA coup against Mossadeq
Hence the wiki article is "disputed"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mohammed_Mossadegh

ie

"Isn't "Reasonable Assistance"a more accurate representation of what happened in 1954 than "plot""
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mohammed_Mossadegh#Is...
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 08:30 AM
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19. The "dispute" reads like the placards explaining the Vietnam War at the Air Force Museum
Where the Air Force Museum writers contended that the "North Vietnamese violated the treaties they had signed, and the US had to respond...". It was 1991 last time I read that.

It seems the right wing has lots of fires they have to stamp out and there are enough wingers to police the Wikipedia stories on the internet(s). (ok. I have to go to the shop. catch you later)
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 01:31 PM
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20. Kick
to bite the hand of historical amnesia.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 01:54 PM
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21. Oh Geez, are you gonna keep posting those damn ...
pesky facts? If you are not careful, you will actually educate some lurkers as to the truth and their heads will subsequently explode, very messy, very messy indeed.

:thumbsup:
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GenDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 04:14 PM
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22. One of those truth is stranger than fiction
moments. WOW!!!!! Great find!
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 05:25 PM
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23. Priceless!
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 07:32 PM
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24. The US birthed Iran's nuclear program
This article represents the first of a three-part series in which these two important questions are discussed, and Iran's nuclear program is described and analyzed in detail. In the present article, the history of Iran's program for nuclear research and development is reviewed. The significance of this review is twofold. (1) History shows that the US and her allies were in fact the driving force behind the birth of Iran's nuclear program in the late 1960s and early 1970s. (2) It is also particularly important to recognize that since the late 1980s, when Iran restarted its nuclear program, the US and her allies have been given every opportunity to participate in the development and construction of nuclear reactors in Iran, which would have provided them with significant control on the reactors and their products, but that they have always refused to do so.

Although various portions of Part I (the present article) have been published before, it may be useful to put all the pieces together in order to present a cohesive and brief review of the historty of Iran's nuclear program, and to make it available through an easily-accesible web site. In this author's opinion, this may be particularly useful for the young generation of Iranians who may be interested in this history, and the important role that the US played in the birth of Iran's nuclear program.

http://www.payvand.com/news/03/oct/1015.html
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 07:34 PM
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25. Yeah there was a post yesterday quoting Cheney and Rummy
Edited on Sun Jan-07-07 07:34 PM by walldude
supporting Iran and it's nuclear ambitions back then. I guess it's Ok as long as it's out puppet dictator running the show and not theirs ;)
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 10:15 PM
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26. It went like this
According to declassified confidential US Government documents posted on the Digital National Security Archive (see the article, "The US-Iran Nuclear Dispute: Dr Mohamed El Baradei's Mission Possible to Iran," by Drs. A. Etemad and N. Meshkati, published on July 13, 2003, in the Iran News), in the mid-1970s, the US encouraged Iran to expand her non-oil energy base, suggested to the Shah that Iran needed not one but SEVERAL nuclear reactors to acquire the electrical capacity that the Stanford Research Institute had proposed, and expressed interest in the US companies participating in Iran's nuclear energy projects. Building these reactors, and selling the weapons that the Shah was procuring from the US in the 1970s, were, of course, a good way for the US to recover the cost of the oil that she was buying from Iran.

Since the Shah never read or heard an American proposal that he did not like, he started an ambitious program for building many (presumably as many as TWENTY THREE) nuclear reactors. Hence, his government awarded a contract to Kraftwerk Union (a subsidiary of Siemens) of (West) Germany to construct two Siemens 1,200-megawatt nuclear reactors at Bushehr. The work for doing so began in 1974. In 1975, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology signed a contract with the AEOI for providing training for the first cadre of Iranian nuclear engineers, and the Iranian-Indian nuclear cooperation treaty was also signed (India is now a nuclear power). In addition, the Nuclear Technology Center at Esfahan (Isfahan) was founded in the mid-1970s with the French assistance in order to provide training for the personnel that would be working with the Bushehr reactors. The Esfahan Center currently operates four small nuclear research reactors, all supplied by China.

According to the same declassified document mentioned above, in an address to the symposium, "The US and Iran, An Increasing Partnership," held in October 1977, Mr. Sydney Sober, a representative of the US State Department, declared that the Shah's government was going to purchase EIGHT nuclear reactors from the US for generating electricity. On July 10, 1978, only seven months before the victory of the Islamic Revolution in Iran, the final draft of the US-Iran Nuclear Energy Agreement was signed. The agreement was supposed to facilitate cooperation in the field of nuclear energy and to govern the export and transfer of equipment and material to Iran's nuclear energy program. Iran was also to receive American technology and help in searching for uranium deposits.

The Shah's government had also envisioned building two nuclear reactors and a power plant in Darkhovin, on the Karoon River, south of the city of Ahvaz. Iran signed, in 1974, a contract with the French company Framatome to build two 950 megawatt pressurized reactors at that site. Framatome did survey the area and began site preparation. However, construction had not yet started when the government of Prime Minister Mehdi Bazargan cancelled the contract after the Islamic revolution in 1979. In 1992, Iran signed an agreement with China for building the reactors in Darkhovin, but the terms of the agreement have not yet been carried out by China. Given the proximity of the site to the border with Iraq, it is probably not prudent to proceed with that project at that particular site.

http://www.payvand.com/news/03/oct/1015.html
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