Get it straight. It's not a "surge" it's "The McCain Doctrine"

[XOKCowboy]

Pin the impending fiasco directly on him and make him own it. Bush is a lame duck. Make it stick to McCain and make him responsible.

Hey they use talking points. We might as well also! :)

[Jcrowley]

1. Actually It's The Small Penis Syndrome from the Folks at AEI

The Surge to Nowhere
Traveling the Planet Neocon Road to Baghdad (Again)
By Robert Dreyfuss

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Yet here is Tom Donnelly, an American Enterprise Institute neocon, a co-chairman of the Project for a New American Century, telling a reporter sagely that the surge is in. "I think the debate is really coming down to: Surge large. Surge small. Surge short. Surge longer. I think the smart money would say that the range of options is fairly narrow." (Donnelly, of course, forgot: Surge out.) His colleague, Frederick Kagan of AEI, the chief architect of the Surge Theory for Iraq, has made it clear that the only kind of surge that would work is a big, fat one.

Nearly pornographic in his fondling of the surge, Kagan, another of the neocon crew of armchair strategists and militarists, makes it clear that size does matter. "Of all the ‘surge' options out there, short ones are the most dangerous," he wrote in the Washington Post last week, adding lasciviously, "The size of the surge matters as much as the length. … The only ‘surge' option that makes sense is both long and large."

Ooh -- that is, indeed, a manly surge. For Kagan, a man-sized surge must involve at least 30,000 more troops funneled into the killing grounds of Baghdad and al-Anbar Province for at least 18 months.

President Bush, perhaps dizzy from the oedipal frenzy created by the emergence of Daddy's best friend James Baker and his Iraq Study Group, seems all too willing to prove his manhood by the size of the surge. According to a stunning front-page piece in the Times last Tuesday, Bush has all but dismissed the advice of his generals, including Centcom Commander John Abizaid, and George Casey, the top U.S. general in Iraq, because they are "more fixated on withdrawal than victory." At a recent Pentagon session, according to General James T. Conway, the commandant of the U.S. Marines, Bush told the assembled brass: "What I want to hear from you now is how we are going to win, not how we are going to leave." As a result, Abizaid and Casey are, it appears, getting the same hurry-up-and-retire treatment that swept away other generals who questioned the wisdom on Iraq transmitted from Planet Neocon.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=153798

[Cha]

3. I'm sure lieBERman would love

to have his name all over that small penis Doctrine, too.

After all he had to change parties to get into the senate again..thanks to all those repug voters in Conn.

[Jcrowley]

13. Instructive

to note that neither Liebs or the utterly batshit lunatic McCain write any policy documents at all. They are just front men sure to rubber stamp the lunatic bastards of war plans that ooze from the various think tanks and minds of corporate lobbyists.

McCain is a very unstable character. But it's the Kagans, Donnelly's, Negroponte's, Wolfowitz', Kissinger's et al that are the real dangerous folk. And they get to hide behind political criminals such as McCain

[Cha]

14. Very

Instructive!

[Deb]

4. It sure is! In AEI's words-

This approach requires a national commitment to victory in Iraq:

The ground forces must accept longer tours for several years. National Guard units will have to accept increased deployments during this period.
Equipment shortages must be overcome by transferring equipment from non-deploying active-duty, National Guard, and reserve units to those about to deploy. Military industry must be mobilized to provide replacement equipment sets urgently.
The president must request a dramatic increase in reconstruction aid for Iraq. Responsibility and accountability for reconstruction must be assigned to established agencies. The president must insist upon the completion of reconstruction projects. The president should also request a dramatic increase in Commander’s Emergency Response Program (CERP) funds.
The president must request a substantial increase in ground forces end strength. This increase is vital to sustaining the morale of the combat forces by ensuring that relief is on the way. The president must issue a personal call for young Americans to volunteer to fight in the decisive conflict of this generation.
The president and his representatives in Iraq must forge unity of effort with the Iraqi government.

http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.25396/pub_detail.asp

They met with Bush long before today's reporting-
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/19/bush-aei-iraq/

[tavalon]

6. Oops, my bad

I didn't notice this thread before I started my own thread on framing the debate. You just used the exact information I quoted to make the same point.

[XOKCowboy]

8. Very good point in your thread...

They are the masters of framing the debate in their favor. I thought it was hilarious when Edwards called troop escalation The McCain Doctrine last Sunday. Words like troop escalation don't grab the public. It's glib, pointed phrases in the media that stick in people's minds. Look at what they've been doing for the last 7 years on Fox?

[Jcrowley]

12. No bad at all

just a convergence as to what we are seeing. BTW anything I ever post on the web you may use or abuse without any notification or crediting. All these ideas that are floating around are a part of our collective soul.

Keep on keepin' on

:toast:

[slingsam]

2. Nope...you don't get exclusivity...

Its the Lieberman doctrine too......

(but I'll kowtow to your rendition..........since.....nobody believes Lieberman has any doctrine......about anything!)

[XOKCowboy]

5. Leiberman/McCain Doctrine.. I like it...

but I got the idea from John Amato over at CrooksandLiars.com. I'll go along with his term! :)

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/01/05/purging-the-unbelievers/

[MzNov]

9. it was a brilliant move by Edwards, because Lieberman isn't

running for President, McCain is. hang it all on the sleazy bastard, he'll take Lieberman down with him.

[malaise]

7. Bingo

and he's going down and taking Joe with him

[XOKCowboy]

10. Just watching KO and McCain is waffling like crazy already...

Now there are conditions. Oh and no guarantees of course. I also read an article where McCain pointed to Leiberman (who was with him at the time) as proof that the midterm election results had nothing to do with getting us out of Iraq. He's all over the place. I'm lovin' it!

[malaise]

11. McCain is going nowhere in a

hurry. I too am loving it:D