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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:43 PM
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Iraqis in Dearborn Michigan Dance in The Streets


Being shown on Iraq state run television.......I say if they are happy the man they feared is dead I suggest they go down to the recruiters office on Wendsday and sign up and volunteer to go and put their lives on the line and allow a soldier who doesn't share the same spirit to come home.......They are abusing yours and my freedoms that our forefathers died for here....

They are pissing me off...
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:46 PM
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1. PSYOPS. The Dearborn celebrations are being shown on US-led Iraqi media.
We are using the Dearborn video in an attempt to get the Iraqis out in the streets for TV-made celebrations in Iraq. Pretty transparent media manipulation/psyop work...

J
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:49 PM
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3. I know, what the hell does video from America have to do with Iraq?
Why would we be showing it other than for nefarious reasons?

Very troubling.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:57 PM
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15. They're Iraqi or of Iraqi descent. n/t
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:02 PM
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22. But don't you think it's a *little* weird how they pop up the moment...
we found out he was dead?

On American TV, it makes sense, because they are Americans. However, back in Iraq? Why should Americans be on in Iraq? It just smacks of propaganda.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:07 PM
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27. yep, it's propoganda...
the U.S. press isn't going to release any "unapproved" video...
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:51 PM
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5. I wish I could say I thought you needed an aluminum chapeau tuneup--
but I'm afraid that you may be absolutely correct.

Regardless, they have every right to express themselves as they see fir.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:52 PM
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8. True, but that's not the real controversy...
quite frankly it's blatant propaganda. Why don't they show the actual Iraqis dancing in the street? Oh wait, they can't because any gathering of Iraqis may explode.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:48 PM
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2. Why can't they dance in the streets if they want to?
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 09:49 PM by ocelot
They have the same First Amendment right to express their opinions as any of the rest of us. How are they abusing our freedoms? I imagine that many Iraqis who live in the U.S. are here because they wanted to get away from Saddam Hussein's government. Why shouldn't they be glad he's dead? Not saying that I approve of the execution (I don't approve of executing anybody), but I can certainly understand why some Iraqi expats are glad he's gone.

Is this footage being used by our government for propaganda purposes? Sure. But that doesn't mean the people in Dearborn have to sit down and shut up.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:50 PM
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4. Yea Dearborn Michigan .... Healthy Young Iraqi Men .......
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 09:53 PM by doublethink
NOT OVER THERE FIGHTING FOR THEIR COUNTRY? Cheering on this 'event'.... What's wrong with this picture? I agree with your assessment. Peace.

On edit: just as the chicken hawk Republicans that refuse to go over there and fight in this war that they believe in .... I give no slack to these guys just shown on CNN either. Peace again.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:56 PM
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13. Maybe they're Americans. n/t
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:06 PM
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26. More the reason they should sign up....... ya think?
Don't pull the mistaken identity b.s. on me. Americans or Iraqi's believing in this war should sign up and go fight it. Peace. :)
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:08 PM
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28. "... the mistaken identity b.s." What?
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:12 PM
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30. American or Iraqi ........ ?
Whatever, look if they celebrate the death of Saddam because of some personal loss he caused them, but don't believe in this illegal war being waged ..... I might cut them some slack. Don't want to get in an argument here with you. Peace.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:19 PM
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33. Maybe both. It's possible. Iraqi-Americans, maybe?
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:22 PM
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34. Could be Sherlock Holmes!
;) Peace.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 02:37 PM
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48. I know at least one Iraqi-American,
so I can tell you they DO exist...
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:58 PM
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16. I read a thread in LBN that one 32 yr. old and 40 other men were
dancing and celebrating and my first thought, also, was why the hell aren't you in Iraq and fighting for your own country? No different from the Armchair Warriors and the Fighting Keyboard Commandos, huh?
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:15 PM
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32. Exactly, but see my post #30 ....... Peace. n.t.
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Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:51 PM
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6. Did you notice it was all men?
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:52 PM
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7. Not a big crowd but it's surprising all those Muslims in one place isn't
causing panic and fear. Wonder how many are going to sign up to fight the war in their country.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:04 PM
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24. Dearborn has a sizeable Muslim population
They are very political.

Many are Middle/Upper Class and some are Republican.



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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:10 PM
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29. Yes wonderful. The media is still using them tonight.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:33 PM
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37. I agree
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:54 PM
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9. If it's pissing you off, then we got our money's worth
:(
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:54 PM
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10. So? Who knows what horrors have been visited on the Iraqi families
in Dearborn by Saddam. They left for a reason, right?
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:55 PM
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11. It's not that, if they want to they should celebrate...
but why would they be showing it on Iraqi TV? It just smacks of propaganda.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:01 PM
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20. I haven't seen what Iraqi state run TV is showing, but I do recall
seeing Muslims 'celebrating' AND mourning after 9/11. It boils down to what and who you believe.
Propaganda takes many forms.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:03 PM
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23. That clip that was shown of Muslims rejoicing after 9/11 was debunked.
It was old footage.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:15 PM
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31. That really proves my point. Real or propaganda?
OT: How are you and happy holidays! I saw your gorgeous pup! I hope all is well.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:32 PM
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36. It was undebunked.
ABC said it was footage of what people had said it was footage of, but that it was not authorized for release and should never have been shown.

It made a big splash. It was loudly debunked. And then it was quietly reinstated, but in a way that few noticed. It's hard to keep track.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:46 PM
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44. omg, I can't keep up.
:scared:
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:00 PM
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18. If they left for that reason
What's the chance that they'll return to Iraq now that we've made it a great place again.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:02 PM
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21. Yea, we've done a swell job. nt
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:55 PM
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12. That's one of the supposed "Terror Targets" published by
the misadministration.

Big Arab population in that area. I think it's really a "Teror Watch Site", if I know anything about the idiots in Washington.

Hubby said the camera angles made it hard to tell how many "danced", but he was reminded of the 4 or 5 who danced in that other famous video.
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:56 PM
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14. Deport the SOBs!
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:58 PM
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Dearborn's Iraqi Shi'ite population surged in the early '90s -- Poppy Bush caused it!
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 10:47 PM by Bozita
Many came when Poppy Bush failed to provide any support for the Shia uprising. The one that Poppy personally encouraged.

Shia with money and culpability left ... quickly.

I somewhat understand their exhuberance, but the possibility of the US government providing .... ummm ... incentives for the celebration exists.

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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:58 PM
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17. Free speech pisses you off? n/t
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:00 PM
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19. I don't blame these people for rejoicing.
They had to leave Iraq or risk being killed. More power to them.

I just don't get it that there are so many people rejoicing in an execution of a person that didn't have anything to do with them.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:06 PM
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25. I hesitate to mention this ...
But I will, just to add a bit of a different perspective.

A small Iraqi community has sprung up around where I work, and I see several of the same individuals on a monthly basis. Some speak English well and like to talk, which is something I tend to encourage in people who were raised in cultures other than my own.

One of these gentlemen came in today. He's lived in the US since the early 90's and is now a US citizen. I've never asked him how he came to be here; I figure it's none of my business and that if he wants to tell me, he will. But I have gathered enough to assume, I think safely, he fled Iraq with as much of his family he could gather at risk of life and limb, at least in part due to his opposition to Saddam. He quite simply loathes the man, the mere mention of him causing his jaws to tighten and a visible rush of blood to his dark face. Pertinent to note here, though, is that he's quite the student of American history and politics and blames a faction of the US itself for the existence of Saddam in the first place. (I really have no idea how he ended up here, in Oklahoma. He seems to have randomly stuck a pin in a map and chosen poorly, but he's a doctor, so maybe he saw some opportunity here he did not see elsewhere.) Also, he is outspoken in his opposition to the war the US has waged against his former country. He talks of the deaths of children while giving off a keen aura of deep sorrow, and he thinks of Bush as a madman.

Anyway, I asked him today what he thought of this "circus." He seemed confused by the question, so I pointed to a CNN crawl in he background that eventually mentioned "imminent execution" of Saddam.

"I would rather kill him myself," he said, rather subdued, but obviously not shedding any tears, and not expanding on the thought. He also spoke to me less than he normally does and said nothing else about that subject. He seemed deep in thought and a bit more aware of his surroundings, specifically the people around him, than normal.

My point? An opinion about Saddam's death doesn't necessarily have any bearing on one's position with regard to the war itself. I know people who were jubilant at the news of Reagan's demise, to the point of holding celebrations after it. I mention this not to praise or condemn that feeling, merely to note when one feels oppressed by an individual in power, one can quite easily feel jubilation, or something like it, at that individual's death, regardless of the circumstances surrounding it, often, in fact, in spite of them.

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ribrepin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:31 PM
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35. Recruiter ought to be in that crowd--nt
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:34 PM
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38. Why do so many here, whom I assume want to end the war,
suggest that everyone go and join the thing?
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:40 PM
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39. Why shouldn't they? Who fought our civil war?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:43 PM
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41. What the flying fuck does our civil war have to do with anything?
Ya lost me.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:45 PM
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43. A fucking lot. They can fight their own. We did.Send our troops home. Sign them up.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:42 PM
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40. wrong place
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 10:42 PM by LittleClarkie
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:44 PM
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42. stuff like that turned me into the isolationist I am today...
I want nothing to do with the Middle East or anyone in it, and I want none of those quarrels or their tiresome partisans over here.


Fuck off, all.
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 03:55 PM
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50. Does that mean you don't travel by car, plane or train...
and that you have solar heat in your home?

... since ya want nothing to do with the Middle East and all, I assume that means you eschew the oil they pump out for our consumption...

jus' sayin'...
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:53 PM
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45. Who paid 'em to do it?
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:56 PM
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46. Who paid the Imam? Could it be related to faith-based govt incentives?
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 12:11 AM
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47. Demonstration was led by a Shi'ite Imam -- Check the coffers of Project ACCESS, ...
... an Arabic/Islamic social services agency.

Money talks.

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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 02:53 PM
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49. Iraqis did not exactly invite our troops to invade and destroy
Edited on Sat Dec-30-06 02:54 PM by ProgressiveMuslim
their country.

Or is it Arabs in general who tend to tick you off?
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