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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:42 PM
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Forget Bush Admin Crimes & Applaud The Swinging Corpse Of The Dictator We Created (by Robert Fisk)
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 07:45 PM by kpete
Robert Fisk:
A dictator created then destroyed by America
Published: 30 December 2006

Saddam to the gallows. It was an easy equation. Who could be more deserving of that last walk to the scaffold - that crack of the neck at the end of a rope - than the Beast of Baghdad, the Hitler of the Tigris, the man who murdered untold hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis while spraying chemical weapons over his enemies? Our masters will tell us in a few hours that it is a "great day" for Iraqis and will hope that the Muslim world will forget that his death sentence was signed - by the Iraqi "government", but on behalf of the Americans - on the very eve of the Eid al-Adha, the Feast of the Sacrifice, the moment of greatest forgiveness in the Arab world.

But history will record that the Arabs and other Muslims and, indeed, many millions in the West, will ask another question this weekend, a question that will not be posed in other Western newspapers because it is not the narrative laid down for us by our presidents and prime ministers - what about the other guilty men?

No, Tony Blair is not Saddam. We don't gas our enemies. George W Bush is not Saddam. He didn't invade Iran or Kuwait. He only invaded Iraq. But hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians are dead - and thousands of Western troops are dead - because Messrs Bush and Blair and the Spanish Prime Minister and the Italian Prime Minister and the Australian Prime Minister went to war in 2003 on a potage of lies and mendacity and, given the weapons we used, with great brutality.

In the aftermath of the international crimes against humanity of 2001 we have tortured, we have murdered, we have brutalised and killed the innocent - we have even added our shame at Abu Ghraib to Saddam's shame at Abu Ghraib - and yet we are supposed to forget these terrible crimes as we applaud the swinging corpse of the dictator we created.

more at:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article2112555...
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:50 PM
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1. Its so distracting....so useless as it does not solve the problems
perhaps only to exacerbate...we need lessons in HOW TO SOLVE...at the very least...them PUBS DO....
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:52 PM
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2. Thanks Robert
100% correct as usual. What a fugging farce.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:58 PM
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3. K&R n/t
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:17 PM
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4. K&R
n/t
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:24 PM
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5. Saddam a monster
but our monster. :-(
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Bonescrat Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 03:31 PM
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31. Sadam a dead monster...
Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and on and on... Real live ones...
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 06:19 PM
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34. ALL deserving
the same fate.
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Dangerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 04:49 AM
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38. Every dictator is a monster
Fidel Castro and Musarraff of Paskitan are monsters, too.
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Dangerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 04:51 AM
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39. Oh, Saddam is not a monster...
He's a human being who did very bad things with help with the ones who should be the monsters, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.
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brer cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:30 PM
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6. Bless you kpete. This must be taking a real toll on you.
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 08:31 PM by brer cat
I appreciate your dedication and the quick news I get from you, but it must be terrible to constantly bear the load of what you transmit.

:hug: It's a tough week!

K&R
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 02:17 AM
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11. Same here.
Thanks for posting these things. Really great reading!
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 09:01 AM
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14. thanks brer cat
Edited on Sat Dec-30-06 09:19 AM by kpete
We are all tainted by the vengeance in our name.
I do not know what drives me to document these atrocities. This has been a terrible week.
Our country has been SO scarred by this administration...
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 09:37 AM
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16. We love you kpete
:grouphug:

Thanks for all you do.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 11:33 AM
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17. Thank you, kpete..
It helps me to know that others are as angry and appalled as I am by this horrible spectacle.

I have no real sorrow for Sadaam. He, like all the dictators we have installed and then destroyed over the years when they displeased us, should have known that trusting the American government ALWAYS leads to a bad end. He gambled and lost.

I know, even as I write this, that there are others waiting in the wings, willing to ally themselves with the Americans, thinking that their story will be different. It won't. But no matter.

What I find most troubling is that those who are just as guilty as Sadaam have cheated justice yet again. I have little hope that the murderers in the Bush administrtion will ever be tried for the crimes they've committed. :cry:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 01:50 AM
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7. Kick
:kick:
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stranger81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 02:04 AM
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8. Perfectly said. K&R. [n/t]
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 02:13 AM
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9. ditto . . . ya beat me to it . . . n/t
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 02:16 AM
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10. K & R! Fisk saw the future when everyone else was dancing round that goddamn statue.
:kick:
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 06:08 AM
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12. We don't gas our enemies...
a little Depleted Uranium is OK though.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 08:26 PM
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20. .And a little White Phosphors tossed in once in awhile for good measure.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 06:32 AM
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13. K&R
America is in full Freeper Mode again!
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solarize Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 09:33 AM
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15. thanks!
there are a lot of posts on DU with this lynch mob mentality about his death that are making me sick. Applauding the death of another person just seems evil to me.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 12:18 PM
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18. Wow, what a headline.
Off to read. Recommended.
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 03:05 PM
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19. Bush is heading for outdoing Saddam's murder rate.
Who's going to hang him?
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 08:31 PM
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21. Brits may not gas their enemies, but that does not go for Americans.
Edited on Sat Dec-30-06 08:32 PM by MasonJar
We do worse. We use depleted uranium which lasts a thousand years and we use the white sulfate (sp) that catches people on fire. Bush Sr and Jr both used depleted uranium on the Iraqi people. Nothing is more despicable. Also the story might be that Saddam did not gas the Kurds. It seems that the chemical used was probably one preferred by the Iranians. They may have gassed the Kurds to make Saddam look bad. And from a female point of view, what is worse than an Islamic state, which thanks to Georgie Porgie we now have in Iraq, a place where women used to have status and rights and college educations?
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Ladyinblack Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 07:57 AM
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22. Who would have thought
I would never have dreamed that America could be so damaged by four evil men and I do not mean Sadam.

I am appalled at what we do to each other. I can not celebrate the deliberate death of another, regardless of what they have done. Although, sometimes I do not feel that way.

Look at how this president has changed us. We invade other countries, we torture, we ignore our constitution and we take away legal rights and lie to do it all. Not to mention the environment etc.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 08:13 AM
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23. A MALIGNANT NARCISSANT BULLY ABUSER...he is off his couch
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angry_chuck Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 03:19 PM
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30. i don't do that
neither do you, nor should any other Americans. He invades, tortures, and ignores not only our constitution, but our pleas and cries for suspension of these hainous acts falls on deaf ears as the bushco war machine revs up for another round of torture and destruction.

http://mvp-seattle.com/pages/pageFascism.htm

Must we live like this?

If it were up to bush we certainly would.

Who let this guy choose anyway? Oh yeah, nobody; he stole it. FASCISTS!
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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 04:16 PM
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33. And up until recently.....
....the sheeple applauded every instance of invasion, torture, loss of legal rights, etc. I only hope the dems have the balls to right the incredible wrongs of this murderous administration. I doubt it.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 08:19 AM
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24. Outstanding
Can you imagine an American media figure saying this?

I pray 2007 will be a turning point in this country, with the new Dem Congress taking over.
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calblue61 Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 01:51 PM
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26. new Dem Congress taking over...I am not sure it will make much difference....
you see the democrats are the same fabric as the republicans, just different shade of gray.....
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 10:07 AM
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25. Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord and his earthly emissary
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 02:08 PM
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27. Another great Fisk piece
Robert Fisk: He takes his secrets to the grave. Our complicity dies with him

How the West armed Saddam, fed him intelligence on his 'enemies', equipped him for atrocities - and then made sure he wouldn't squeal

Published: 31 December 2006

We've shut him up. The moment Saddam's hooded executioner pulled the lever of the trapdoor in Baghdad yesterday morning, Washington's secrets were safe. The shameless, outrageous, covert military support which the United States - and Britain - gave to Saddam for more than a decade remains the one terrible story which our presidents and prime ministers do not want the world to remember. And now Saddam, who knew the full extent of that Western support - given to him while he was perpetrating some of the worst atrocities since the Second World War - is dead.

More at:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article2114403...
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 02:31 PM
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29. You beat me to it, ChimpH8R - this piece is probably even more powerful
than yesterday's. Maybe should become it's own thread??

"The whole truth died with Saddam Hussein in the Baghdad execution chamber yesterday. Many in Washington and London must have sighed with relief that the old man had been silenced for ever."

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 03:32 PM
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 02:18 PM
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28. As long as the strong man supports out business dealings
Edited on Sun Dec-31-06 02:18 PM by sakabatou
Who cares what he's done right? :sarcasm:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 06:43 PM
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35. "We don't gas our enemies"..
Maybe the English don't what what about Agent ORange and what ever the fuck was going around in that First Fucking Gulf godamn War that deranged the Soldiers?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 04:41 AM
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index555 Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 04:38 AM
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36. IMO , the only reason to invade Iraq
was to remove the monster WE created .
What I mean is we had to take the responsibility for our earlier mistakes and clean up the mess we created. all of the other "reasons" were window dressing (and mostly false).
When we invaded Iraq that was the ONLY reason I could think of in its favor , otherwise I thought it was a BAD IDEA(as current events have shown).
We should have gone into Afghanistan with 250,000 troops and Iraq with with 1,000,000 , not to "win the battle" (1 U.S. division could have taken out all of Iraqs military), but to make the country secure after the battle.
This simple reality was totally ignored by the current "commander in chief" and his advisers, since they live in an idealogical fantasy land (frankly, this applies to many D.U.ers also , but in a different sense.)
This may come as a shock to some people on this board , but the U.S. military is actually PREFERRED in simple police situations in Iraq. Because the Iraqi people, despite their views of the U.S. military as occupiers , KNOW that the occupiers WILL BE NEUTRAL in what they find in a police investigation. The U.S. troops have nothing to gain by taking sides , while the current Iraqi police may be either friends or religious affiliates with their enemy.

MY belief is that the current administration (wrongly) thought that the Iraqis would think "Ding Dong the witch is dead" , so let's happily embrace the very same Democratic Ideals as the U.S. .
and now $500,000,000,000 later and 3,000 U.S. Troops dead later maybe some right wingers are saying "maybe we did something wrong(DUH!)"






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Dangerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 04:58 AM
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40. Saddam is not Hitler.
We did not help Hitler exterminate the Jews.

And the Iraqi military at Saddam's time are not the bloodthirsty Nazi-style murderers the assholes at the Bush I administration wants us think. (Remember that BS "baby incubator" stunt that bimbo spewed, it's a lousy excuse for the US military to slaughter thousands of misguided Iraqi soldiers in the so-called "Highway of Death" back at Gulf War I)

George W. Bush IS Hitler. If Adolf were having an IQ of a 3rd grader, he'd be George W. Saddam's crimes were war-time revenge acts, not hate-motivated race exterminations.

I like Robert Fisk, but he is WRONG on that part.
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