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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:17 PM
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How can we justify killing another human being?
I do not care how evil we see sudam husaine...how can we in the 21st century cheer the death of another human being? It is beyond me!
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dmkinsey Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:19 PM
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1. "we"?
I hear what you're sayin' though
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:21 PM
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2. Agree We who Paleface
I hear you too clearly
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:21 PM
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3. You been asleep for the last 6 years?
Hell we have a list of justifications, whether or not they are legitimate is a whole nother subject.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:22 PM
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4. I have no problem at all with the Death Penalty.
This one just seems illegitimate. Not that he doesn't deserve it but I think this is unfair because of the way they went about it. This wasn't a fair cop. If the Iraqi people wanted to hang him they should have risen up on their own and did it.
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rusty charly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:22 PM
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5. we can't. period.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:23 PM
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6. We can't, although people continue trying to n/t
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:24 PM
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7. I think in Saddam's case, it's debatable whether he's a human being...
or a sick and twisted animal, which BushCO used to support.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:29 PM
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10. howcan it ever be OK to kill!
It is like saying to your child...do not kick your brother, so because you did it, I will slap the shit out of you...to teach you a lesson....what we say when we kill even one of our most undesirable brothers....I only teach you that if you are powerful enough, it is OK to kick your brother. But even that is inadequate...it is not OK to kill our brothers...even if we do not like them.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:33 PM
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11. How can it ever be ok to kill?
You might want to refine that, because I can think of a couple of situations in which it is perfectly fine. Mainly self-defense.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:26 PM
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8. I was reading about Eric Rudolph recently
The freak who bombed women's health clinics and the Atlanta Olympics. He said he was miserable. That is a fate worse than death in my opinion. Keep Saddam Hussein locked away for life in solitary. Like the assholes in supermax. Death is an easy way out for freaks like that.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:28 PM
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9. Here we have a man being put to death for
the death of some of his citizens. He was a tryant. BUT look at bush. He is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi. And illegally so. He had not right and no reason to invade a neutral country. Who is going to prosecute him?
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:37 PM
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12. With a gun, obviously.
There's only one reason we are able to kill Saddam, because we have the power to do so. That is our justification, our modus operandi and our legacy. We are the Machiavelli nation of the modern age and have earned the fear and loathing of the entire world. They will do as we tell them, for now.

When we fall the sound of laughter will be deafening.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:50 PM
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13. It can never...and must never be OK to kill!
There will ever be..and must never be, the rightiousness to kill another human being.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:52 PM
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14. What if someone is about to kill you?
I don't think it's wrong to kill them. I don't think anyone with common sense would say that. You need to refine your point.
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 07:57 PM
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15. Been there had to kill in Vietnam Nightmares still there
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:16 PM
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17. It's horrible isn't it
Power gone mad.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:47 PM
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24. America isn't unique to that though.
Can you name any great power in history that didn't go the same way? Ancient Greece, Rome, Holy Roman Empire, Spain, France, Great Britain, and now the USA. We all fall from the corruption of power. I just hope the rest of the world survives when we stumble.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:14 PM
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16. how we can justify feeding that piece of crap?
he was found guilty of horrendous crimes in court of law and i've never heard anyone seriously suggest he wasn't guilty of those crimes

saddam ain't worth the oxygen

i'm not normally in favor of the death penalty but if the DP exists at all it should exist for trash such as this

no tears here

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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:40 PM
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22. Who decides what 'trash' is?
The trial was a farce, staged and directed by Bushit & Co. as has been today's comedic opera: "We have him. No, they have him. He's hanging today. No tomorrow. No next month. Oh, maybe in an hour."



Saddam could not be allowed to live because he would have taken down most, if not all the PNAC pishers who enabled his most heinous crimes. The US pre-ordained the verdict.


Incidentally, Chalabi was the Judas Goat so to speak. For that, we protect him though he's a wanted man.


Saddam was a killer of innocents, the pretzeldent is a killer of innocents. Is he also 'trash'? Shall we let the Iraqis try Bush? And, if you're honest, you have to ask yourself: "What about Pinochet and the many brutal dictators committing genocide all over the globe today? Where are the Shock & Awe invasions and ensuing trials for them?"

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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:41 PM
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23. i wanted pinochet tried, i want bush tried
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 08:42 PM by pitohui
you are fighting the wrong person, i fully support public trial for all of the men you mentioned and if they are convicted, then the sentence decided upon by judge and jury should be carried out

i am tired of this world where only the poor and middle class pay for their crimes, you don't know how bone-tired i am of it

i call saddam "a good start"

as far as i'm concerned, the jury decides and in this case we can all agree the jury decided correctly

saddam is trash, you can't seriously dispute this, give me a BREAK

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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:19 PM
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25. It's now moot.
But it seems to me from your posts that you are not as concerned with the 'process' as you are with 'who' is processed - and that's my difference with you. The process of justice, must be applied with integrity; it's what 'rule of law' is supposed to be. No relation to kangaroos at all.


Peace.

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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:18 PM
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18. I have no idea who "sudam husaine" is...
Must be some Scottish guy... :shrug:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:23 PM
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19. Ask Bush. 655,000 dead Iraqis are justified by waving the flag
Or, for that matter, ask any boss who justifies war.
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:28 PM
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21. but but but Saddam killed people
and as for all the dead iraqis they were all asking for it. :eyes: :sarcasm: :cry:
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:26 PM
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20. "We" can kill "them" but heaven forbids "they" return the favor. n't
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:28 PM
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26. Death penalty as punishment for crime. See how easy it is.
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