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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:15 PM
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Hartmann's guest claims Americans won't pick peaches for $20/hr
She's sounds nuts. Do you believe this claim? I am not sure who she is.
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:17 PM
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1. She's nuts.
I'd do it. $1600 a week gross, assuming 40 hours, ain't shabby.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:19 PM
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4. That's $800/week
Still want to?
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:23 PM
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5. Ooops.
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 12:24 PM by evlbstrd
Standard response: I majored in Art.
That's very close to what I make now. And I may have to, the way things are going.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:35 PM
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10. Really, that's still not bad
I make better now, but it was only a few months ago where I made substantially less. I would have taken it.

So I'd say she's an idiot.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:41 PM
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13. more than I'm earning now
as a CAD drafter/graphic designer...
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:53 PM
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15. It's better than what I'm making now
n/t
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datadiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:18 PM
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2. Total Bullshit
I know several people who would love to have a job making $20 an hour.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:18 PM
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3. never mind
here's her web site:

www.krieble.org

There's a pic of her & Limpballs, and a testimonial from Dick Armey. Cred=0.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:20 PM
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27. it has an email address there
info@krieble.org

Im sending this thread.

:evilgrin:
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:26 PM
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6. Ridiculous
I heard her nonsense and I was yelling at the radio by the time the interview was over.

I like how Hartmann just said that we do not have an illegal immigration problem, we have an illegal employer problem.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:28 PM
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7. Supports guest worker
For every person who opposes 'amnesty', you're going to end up with this cheap labor revolving door in its place. If you have to fight one thing on immigration, it is NOT citizenship, it IS guest worker. Guest worker means these people can be thrown out if they challenge anything, because there will always be a flood of immigrants to take their place. It is really sad that people are being diverted with this amnesty bullshit because that isn't what's going to cause the wage depression people are worried about.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:28 PM
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8. Did she say how she knows this?
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 12:29 PM by Jim__
Has she tried to hire Americans at $20/hr to pick peaches?

Back in the 80s when Reagan was president they had a crackdown on illegal immigrants. They arrested a bunch of illegals in Oregon. The apple farmers went crazy. They were on the nightly news saying that the apple crop would rot on the trees because Americans would not pick apples. For the next 3 days, the evening news was making announcements that no more apple pickers were needed. Americans flooded the orchard areas looking for apple picking jobs.

These assholes have no idea what Americans will do to earn a living.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:12 PM
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21. SHe runs some sort of therapy group for overburdened employers
She herself runs an equestrian events center (MUAHAHAHAHA) but it looks like her husband set up a foundation whose purpose is to lobby for slave labor. She said that at one of their meetings the peach farmers said that they advertise jobs for $20/hr an no American laborers ever apply.

It's hard to tell if someone who listens to Limpballs is a liar, or just completely misinformed from years of brainwashing.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:34 PM
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9. Hartmann's guest must not read DUers comments
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 12:38 PM by SoCalDem
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Be sure and re-read the comments people made to this thread.. appartently lots of people would pick them at half the price Hartmann's guest proposed :)


SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts)

Wed Apr-27-05 03:51 PM

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Would YOU pick peaches for $10 an hour? Babysit for $8 an hour?

The little troll on Lou Dobbs' show today flatly stated AGAIN (for the umpteenth time) that "there are just some jobs that Americans just WON'T do".. He claimed that "the 18 yr old at Starbucks would NOT pick peaches at ANY pay rate"..

I disagree. there are always people who WILL do menial labor, stoop labor, and repetitive type labor. They cannot AFFORD to do it at $5 an hour though.

The dilemma we have is this..

IF we assume that fruit/vegetable pickers are at the bottom of the wage-ladder, and prices have escalated to the level of today, is it because the workers have started to get MORE in wages, or that the companies HIRING them have just taken a larger and larger cut of the money generated from the sale of that fruit?

Oil companies have presented us with the same issue. Last year when oil was $50 a barrel, and prices climbed to "near $2.00", they raked in PROFITS up 50-60% over previous year levels...and now that oil is considerably higher, they are making even MORE OBSCENE profits.

Higher prices seem to have little if ANY connection with supply and demand. The only demand, is that the CEOs DEMAND more money.

But I digress...

Are there jobs that Americans won't do??

We have had septic tanks cleaned before..by Americans..

We have had plumbers crawl into spidery-filthy crawl spaces..Americans again

We have had concrete work done in August..by Americans

We have had babysitters..Americans

In fact, I personally, have NEVER hired a non-American to do ANY job I have ever needed done.. and I have never had ANY trouble finding someone to do whatever job we needed done..

I just wish that more people would call these guys on their coded diatribes.. There are jobs to be done, and there are people who would do them..but they expect to be paid..

How many CEOs take NO compensation for their work??
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:38 PM
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11.  For $20 per hour ?
Where do I sign up I'll pack my car today and live in a tent then I can finally get ahead .
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:40 PM
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12. That's about twice as much as I've ever made doing anything.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:50 PM
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14. I've picked apples and raked blueberries for less.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:54 PM
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16. Of course they would
As long as it wasn't in a "rich" area, you probably could get plenty of fruit pickers for $10-$15 depending on the economy. If the job is in a very high cost wealthy area or out in the middle of no where with very low population, I would suggest advertising in poor areas and include housing and transportation to the work sight in the compensation package.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:57 PM
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17. I've done much worse for much less
I'd love to make $20 an hour working outside.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:58 PM
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18. I will. I can start today.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:59 PM
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19. She says she pays $10/hr plus FREE housing
Said she can't find Americans to do the job. I'm not sure exactly what she does, but it's got something to do with horses.

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:35 PM
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33. Most people who work with horses make much less than $10 an hour
She's lying or she's not telling the whole story if she claims that she can't find people willing to work with horses for $10 an hour and free housing.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:42 PM
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37. company housing.. Ever see "Harlan County USA"?
Yeah, these guys are so generous.
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haele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 06:29 PM
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50. Free housing? I doubt it.
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 06:31 PM by haele
I heard the "lady" on Hartman's show - and with every word out of her mouth, I remember the PBS special I saw as a child in the mid-70's about poverty and sharecropping in the south back-country - it focused on the culture of the contemporary peach orchard workers. Working, of course on a "non-union" orchard - it was mentioned that due to the AFW boycotts in California, union members were not encouraged to apply at most orchards in Georgia and any attempt to unionize blackballed you and your family.

These men and their families generally worked an orchard for 3 months. They were hired because their "daddies and mommas" worked the same orchard and their family was considered reliable. Of course, most of them had to move on to another temporary job, because, of course, after harvest and the peaches got shipped off to the processing plant, there was no reason to have a large crew on hand for 9 months, right? Since there were other crops that needed harvesting after the peach orchards finished their harvest, there was always the next job to go to. If a worker knew the "system", one could have steady work for a good 10 months out of the year between plantings and harvest.

They also supposedly worked for good wages (at the time - I think it was the equivalent of a "salary" that broke down to around $3 an hour for a 40 hour work-week, when the minimum wage was sitting around $1.95 an hour). Of course, they would work an average of 70 to 80 hours a week. With no over-time differential, because, of course, they were "salaried". By contract, they were entitled to a bonus after they finished the harvest, if the harvest was good and there was a decent profit, but, of course, that wasn't guaranteed.
They also had "medical" - there was a basic un-manned clinic with an on-call doctor that would drop by occasionally to check on the general health of the community.
They were housed "free of charge" in a 3 room, 2 window cabin with basic utilities - water and power in which the cameras went into an empty cabin to show what the worker started with. The rooms were the kitchen, the bath, and the living room/bedroom. The furnishings in these cabins were three overhead lights, a sink and counter, toilet, small bath (basically a washtub with a faucet), one twin bed and one chair and small table. 2 outlets, one in the living room, one in the kitchen. No telephone hookup. Sounds sparse but reasonable if you were single working there on a seasonal job, right?

However -

Most workers had families. Wife, one to four kids. All of whom, even babies, had to pay some sort of occupancy rent if they didn't also work. All living in that one little 3 room cabin.
The workers could not bring their vehicles on the property without paying daily rent for a parking spot on a side lot. Since gasoline was not easily available for purchase and there was no where else around to park, they usually left the family truck, van, or station wagon at the storage lot until harvest was over. Many workers took the Greyhound and walked to the orchard to work.
The workers were required to "rent" their stove, refrigerator and hot water heater, as well as any furniture, mattresses, linens, dishes, household goods they might need if they hadn't brought them. Any repairs that needed to be done in the cabin, they had to pay for, whether it was their doing, mother nature, or normal wear and tear. Any damage found in the cabin - even if it was there before, such as a cracked window or broken doorknob, before they moved on had to be paid for.
If they needed health care, they had to pay the orchard for the doctor visit, even though it was less if the doctor was there on one of his six one hour visits to the camp during harvest. If the doctor stayed late, the workers that were seeing him after the hour was up got charged the same as if the doctor was called out on an emergency visit.

The orchard was about good ways out from the closest town, but there was a company store on site for the workers, so they shopped there at the store for basic groceries and other basic sundries such as toilet paper or toothpaste and generic work clothes. The camp phone was there. If they needed, say, shoes or a jacket, they either had to take off work to go into town or borrow from someone else there.

Even though there was a "church" area for sundays and the one sacrificial babysitter (usually a nursing new mother)to care for the toddlers and babies during work hours, there was no school on site, and of course, so the kids had nothing to do except to work with mom and dad and hope to be "home schooled" after work was over, because of course, it cost the family to have any members of the family not work.

The profiled migrant working family of 4 workers and one babe, that had gotten there with around $20 in pocket had a little over $100 after 3 months of work when they left that orchard - to go on to the next job. Theft was a major problem in the camps; most workers didn't have the ability to open up a savings account and would keep their family savings hidden with any personal belongings they had - which usually meant the majority of migrant workers would lose everything within any two year period due to theft or accidental loss and could never save more than a thousand or so during their lifetime.

The profiled single migrant worker, an older man who "knew the system" and did not rent or purchase anything beyond the basics, fixed the door on his cabin himself, treated himself with borrowed needle, thread, and whiskey when he cut himself badly and was shoeless by the time he left had about the same amount.

The workers were pretty much all brown or black. The occasional white face was seen in as the owners, the doctor, the "permanent" orchard staff (overseers?) and the one young alcoholic who had declared that he had so screwed up his life, this was the only living left to him.

This show had burned itself into my brain with the sheer injustice of the migrant worker's life. These people worked like dogs struggling to survive, yet they could do no more than survive. Meanwhile, the orchard owners were making pretty good profits for themselves and their investors.

I used to drive by the strawberry fields and citrus and avocado orchards on my way to work in the 80's - 90's it looked to be pretty much the same then for Californian migrant workers. Spring and fall would be when you would see close to a hundred workers out in the fields. Small rows of shacks for them to live in, one main building that looked to be a mix of an outdoor market. These people would be working from sunrise to well after sunset, 7 days a week, men, women and children who looked to be as young as 10 or so.

I think that if so little had been done up through the mid 90's, there probably hasn't been much of a change - just $10 an hour - traditionally paid in scrip to use in the camp until the harvest is in and then whatever remains is converted into cash - that probably actually ends up being around $8 a 10 hour workday when all the little barely legal employer fees and extras are tacked on.
Less, in fact than the $16 a day a friend's daughter made working as a "trustee" at a prison electronics manufacturing factory in Chino while she was in on a bogus 3 strikes charge for 7 years. At least she didn't have to pay for her food and medical - and she had a library, educational benefits, and TV, unlike the migrant workers I saw...

Yeah, no American will work like that - without Unionizing to insure that the worker is treated fairly, paid in cash instead of scrip, and Company Store won't own the paycheck after all is said and done. And that's what the plantation owner culture doesn't want to have happen - being forced to prove, with accurate time cards and payroll - what they're actually paying their workers. If you hire "guest workers", breasaros, illegals, whatever - they aren't usually around - or can be made not to be around - to make complaints by the time the regulators become curious about the books.

Haele


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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:01 PM
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20. Whoever she is, she's mistaken. $20 is pretty good here in SC.
Lots of people, myself included, don't make NEAR that.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:15 PM
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22. She's just perpetuating the republican lie....why corporations are encouraging undocumented
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 01:53 PM by GreenTea
workers to come over the border, this keeps wages down without any fines to the corporations for hiring them...If the food corporations were offering $20. an hour there would be huge, monster sized lines of homeless Americans begging to pick peaches, and not just the homeless...

It's simply more republican lies to keep corporate profits high and to put up smokescreens of bullshit so nothing ever changes for the American workers....And to trash & bust up UNIONS, the workers only friend!
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:15 PM
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23. why would they when theres $5.75 Walmart jobs
:sarcasm:
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:17 PM
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24. i'll go pick the damn peaches for $20 an hour
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 01:18 PM by pitohui
where is this orchard, i'll get in my car right now

is she insane? that's $20 freaking bucks an hour!!!! okay, i don't expect bill gates to grab that job, but if i could physically do it and wasn't refused the job because of my size (i'm short) i'd grab that shit in a heartbeat

what the hell does she think americans earn? isn't the average closer to $8 an hour ?
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:18 PM
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25. We wouldn't? I would!
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cut.your.crap Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:19 PM
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26. I've been a CDL driver since 1991
I started driving a small transit bus. That's a Class C. Basically it means anything under 26,000 lbs, but over 15 passengers. One particular bus had 31 seats, one was 25 plus a luggage compartment, one was 23 seats plus two wheelchairs, two slightly shorter buses were 25 seats. They were 24,000-25,500 lbs, right up to the limit before a Class B (unlimited weight and air brakes). The company had a distinct pay scale for Class C vs B. You reached top of scale for C after 3 years, which at the time was $9 per hour. I recall starting pay was about $8 per hour in the early 1990's. Not a lot of money for someone with a lot of lives in his hands. Class B drivers started at $10 per hour and maxed out around $12 per hour after 5 years. This was in the period of 1991-93. In 1993 I left the bus driver business for trucking. I dropped $800 on getting trained to drive a box truck with a Class B license. Starting pay was about $11.50 per hour. When I got laid off in 2003, I was making about $16 per hour. That company had OK benefits. We had no pay increases since 2000.
2003 was a very different time than 1993. In 1993, I had my choice of jobs. I spent $800 on training without reservation, knowing I'd get a good job. In 2003, I could hardly find work in my profession. Keep in mind I had 12+ years and well over a million miles experience. No tickets. No accidents. I'd like to think a model employee. I worked for about 9 months for a very exploitive trucking company. I made about $10 per hour. I'd end up on the road 3-4 days at a time. I could bring some food with me, but some had to be purchased on the road. The per diem was so low, I had to save up for a motel room just once out of 3 or 4 days. Making $10 per hour, eating frozen sandwiches out of baggies and sleeping in your truck 1,500 miles from home is no life.

In late 2003 and most of 2004 I spent my time working retail. Let's just say initially I wore a blue vest, later a red shirt. Both jobs paid exactly the same. Neither had benefits. I know a lot of people here like to attack the blue vest company. Somehow the red shirt company has a hipper line of crap. I've worked at both. You will work a little harder with a blue vest, but even with my employee discount at the red shirt company, I still got my prescriptions for less money from the blue vest people, without my discount. That was before they started with their $4 marketing plan.

In 2004 I had enough of retail. I took my CDL to a school bus company. They are very quick to hire an experienced driver. They will pay less if they have to train you. Someone like me, they brought in "at top of scale" which is $12, no benefits. No vacation. People are lining up for these jobs. They will take $10, just for the free training. They are obligated to stay 6 months. Driving a school bus in a inner city area means bad behavior, lots of violence. You'd think nobody would want the job. 10 years ago, nobody did. This is a hard job that requires a skill.
Picking fruit may be hard work, but not finding anyone willing to take $20, that sounds like bull. Most people will take half that.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:25 PM
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28. And she's full of shit. Many AMERICANS worked these jobs...
Read Reg Theriault. He describes a culture of Fruit Tramps that followed the crops with the seasons. Many of these people were Wobblies, and even as far back as the 40's (as I recall), the farm owners were trying to bring in cheap labor from south of the border to drive wages down.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:26 PM
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29. She said she gave them food, lodging and wages that
amount to $20 an hour. I wish Thom had asked her exactly how much cash she paid them.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:27 PM
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30. She lied through her teeth...
I'd rather pick peaches for $20 an hour than do my current job.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:41 PM
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36. Me too. I always preferred working outdoors than indoors.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:28 PM
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31. they really mean 20 a day..... n/t
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Kickin_Donkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:32 PM
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32. She may be a right-wing loon ...
but I agree with her.

Despite all the bravado on this thread, most of you wouldn't last a day picking peaches in the 100-degree Fresno heat, $20/hour notwithstanding. It's hot, dirty, and itchy beyond anything you could imagine.

And the standard method of pay is not by the hour; it's piece-work -- by the bin.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:36 PM
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34. So, in short, she's likely lying
If they pay by the bin, you bet she estimated the $20/hr based on this guy's speed:

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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:41 PM
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35. we've already established she's lying
upstream someone pointed out that she claims to give them "housing and food" that is worth $20 an hour and doesn't reveal how much actual cash she pays, for all we know it's under the minimum wage since she's hiring illegals

i would rather take the money and live in my own house and eat my own damn food, thankya verra much

this lady is trying to pay a few dollars and put people in a shed away from their family, that is not the same as paying $20 an hour

in short she's a damn liar and burning in hell too good for her
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:44 PM
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40. Can you say "company store?" -nt
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:44 PM
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39. Again... nonsense. Plenty of americans made a living this way.
See post re. reg theriault above.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:55 PM
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42. I could manage in the heat, just fine, thank you. If I had a family to support, I'd do anything.
Right now, I work two jobs to make ends meet. They're great jobs and I'm lucky I have them, but I still work over 70-80 hours a week right now, with much time spent traveling by car for one of these jobs.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 04:52 PM
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48. as someone who has worked on roofs and in attics..
I call bullshit on your claim. A lot of construction work is paid by the piece as well.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:44 PM
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38. I shovelled pigshit and baled hay for $4/hr as a kid
Middle of the summer, humid, 90F outside, hotter up in the enclosed hay loft or inside the hog barns. Hundreds of bales a day, each bale weighing 50+ lbs, or hundreds of shovel-fulls of crap, each of those weighing 15-20 lbs. So if I had to choose, hell yes I'd pick peaches (assuming I lost my current job that pays better than $20/hr).

And this wasn't back decades ago when $4/hr was worth something; this was the mid-90's.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 01:48 PM
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41. I've picked blueberries for a lot less
I think I got maybe $6 a bucket or something-no matter how long it took. I didn't take the cash, because the guy would let you pick two buckets for him and then a third one for yourself. But a lot of folks out in the orchard chose the cash.
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Giant Robot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 02:02 PM
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43. All I have to say to this is
Is it warm there?

And what time is lunch?

With my f'ing Masters I don't make $20 an hour. F*** me I will sure go out and pick peaches for that!!!!!
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 02:53 PM
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44. Remember when jagoff McCain claimed no American would pick lettuce
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 03:42 PM
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45. I live in SC, more peach trees than any other state (including GA)...
Where do I get one of these jobs? I'm so down with it! $20 an hour??? Are they serious?!?!?
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 03:49 PM
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46. sadly it is a hoax, not on the poster's part, but the lady is a liar
the b***h admits that she offered "housing and food" which she claims brings the value of the pay to $20 an hour

how about just pay the damn $20 an hour instead of wanting to put illegals in a shack and pay 'em slop and pretend it's worth most of their paycheck

these people are scary

they are not ashamed to lie and to lie BIG

shit, i knew it was too good to be true
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 09:56 AM
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51. Her comeback was asking if we wanted $19 peaches
You could tell that all she cared about was the bottomline, her bottomline. She thought we should feel sorry for the poor business owner who is trying to make a living and decide what car to buy next and where to go on their next vacation.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 03:59 PM
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47. Yeah. I've noticed the problem the immigrants have parking their BMW.s.
Not to mention the cost of maintaining the McMansions they've "stolen" from Americans.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 04:55 PM
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49. I'd do it in a heartbeat. Especially if benefits were also offered.
A lot of Americans could do with a job that requires some physical labor. It wouldn't kill any of us.
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 09:58 AM
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52. You can listen to the stream here
http://www.whiterosesociety.org/Hartmann.html

I think the part was in the 2nd hour.
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