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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:48 AM
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Why is Saddam Hussein often referred to as 'Saddam' in the news media?
Are there other world leaders (either deposed, in power, or in power by proxy) who are referred to in a similar fashion?

To my best of my knowlege, Castro isn't commonly referred to as Fidel, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad isn't referred to as Mahmoud (nor is Mahhmoud Abbas), Kim Jong il is referred to by his full name (as opposed to 'Kim'), Nouri al-Maliki isn't referred to as Noiri, Osama bin laden isn't simply 'Osama', Jacques Chirac isn't 'Jacques', Ehud Olmert isn't 'Ehud', Muqtada al-Sadr isn't 'Muqtada', Vladimir Putin isn't 'Vladimir'....and the list goes on.

If and when Bush is ever tried for his crimes against humanity, I can't imagine the media referring to him simply as 'George'.

Does anyone know what gives with this inconsistent (and seemingly unprofessional) behavior on the part of the media? Is there a logical explanation that I'm somehow missing? :shrug:


A CNN story in which Saddam and Hussein are practically interchangeable:

www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/29/hussein/index.html


MSNBC is all about Saddam:

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16389128/


Even NPR and the AP are Saddam-ites:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=56...


Just for comparison purposes, here is a bin laden story from CNN- note, he isnt referred to as Osama:

www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/23/france.binladen/ind...
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:49 AM
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1. It's a commonly used method to lower someone's status. To denigrate.
And the USA since WWI has been a leading expert on denigration propaganda.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:08 AM
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13. It may be in other cases, but in this case it isn't.

See my other posts in this thread.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:14 PM
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24. N/M
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 12:15 PM by LynnTheDem
:)
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:50 AM
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2. I think it goes back to the late King Hussein of Jordan
King Hussein was seen as a "good guy", so Saddam Hussein was called "Saddam" to prevent any confusion between the two.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:57 AM
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4. My vote is here
Many powerful Husseins in the Middle East, so Saddam is Saddam to keep the associations away.

Of course, the right-wing Wurlitzers is going to undo all of that for Barack.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:51 AM
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3. Poppy started the thing with "Saddam", making it a point to
saying the name like "Sodom".
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:57 AM
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5. Disrespect
Even if he's as bad as the propaganda makes him out to be (and that war against Iran and the CIA's insistence was pretty bad), he still deserves the basic respect we'd afford any world leader, including Hitler and Stalin.

I've always referred to him as "Hussein."
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:07 AM
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10. No, that's wrong.

"Saddam" is the name he encourages people to use; Hussein is *not* his family name, it's his father's given name. It's also the name he's mostly referred to by in Iraq and the Middle East. It's nothing to do with respect or lack thereof on the part of the Western media.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/indepth/words/saddam_hussein.htm... goes into it in detail, and wikipedia mentions it.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:24 AM
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20. I'm sure that may be part of it in other media
but the mass media in this country are not that educated and use it as a term of disrespect.

He's the big bogeyman, after all.

People at the time called Hitler and Stalin "Adolph" and "Joe," but the media didn't.
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MemphisTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:59 AM
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6. Why do we call our president W or Bush and not President Bush?
It's just a matter of name recognition and you get what is going on in the story.
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:03 AM
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8. The media doesn't refer to him that way
with the exception of 'Bush', after they've already identified him as 'President Bush' early in the article or story.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:02 AM
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7. It's nothing to do with disrespect; that's a common misapprehension.

There's a discussion of it at http://www.cbc.ca/news/indepth/words/saddam_hussein.htm...

Basically, Hussein is his father's first name, not his family surname. As far as I can tell, "Hussein" would be a bit like calling Samuel Johnson "John", although it's less clearcut than that.

But it's nothing to do with respect or lack thereof.
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:07 AM
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11. This is the factual answer. eom
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:12 AM
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14. Interesting. Thanks for posting that! n/t
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:04 AM
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9. Because he's an old friend.
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jarab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:08 AM
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12. Spelling difficulty. "i" before "e" except after "c". (eom)
...O...
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:14 AM
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15. Saddam Hussein Abd al-Majid al-Tikriti is his full name.
Saddam is his "given" name. Hussein ("little beauty") his family name. "Abd" means "servent of". Words followed by "al" are descriptive.

So, his name translates approximately as "Saddam, the little beauty, servant of the Glorious, who is from Tikrit."

As best as I can glean from google, the proper usage would be "Saddam Hussein".
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:21 AM
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18. No, that's wrong.

"Hussein al-Majid" is his father's given name, *not* his family name.

"al-Tikriti" is the closest thing he has to a family name - it means "of the Tikriti tribe" - but he's banned the use of all such tribal names in Iraq.

There's a long discussion about this at http://www.cbc.ca/news/indepth/words/saddam_hussein.htm...
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:42 AM
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23. Thanks. Not an easy thing to disentangle.
I would think that the patronymic would be the "family" name. Somewhat like "Johan-son" or "Orms-dotter" in Scandinavian languages or O'Hara or MacDuff in Gaelic languages.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:15 AM
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16. Same reason Goldstein was only referred to as Goldstein
He's like Cher, Satan and Madonna. We are on a first name basis with our boogeyman.
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Paranoid Pessimist Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:19 AM
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17. What should he be called? Mr. Hussein? Former Dictator Hussein?
Condemned prisoner Hussein?
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:23 AM
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19. If you're not using "Saddam", "Mr Hussein" is probably the next best choice.

But "Saddam" is what everyone in Iraq refers to him as, including himself, and "Hussein" is his father's given name, not his family name.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:24 AM
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21. Easy!!1 Because he's the MALE "HILLARY"!!!1 n/t
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:25 AM
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22. Even Hitler is referred to as "Hitler" not "Adolf"
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:25 PM
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25. This thread is the perfect illustration of DU'ers pulling crap out of their ass & ignoring facts
because the facts don't fit as nicely into their bias.

Several DU'ers point out that Saddam is what HE wanted used, what is used in Iraq and how his father's family name wasn't preferred by he man himself.

Yet many other DU'ers insist on repeating the info this is all about disrepect.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:35 PM
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26. Poppy started it
Used to call him Saddam (stress the dam) all the time.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:39 PM
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27. Actually not here's the entire factual story (as posted first above):
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