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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:23 AM
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Saddam used to walk amongst his people....
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 09:30 AM by kentuck
.. moreso than our own President. What puzzles me is why no one was able to assassinate him during all that time. They had numerous weapons and bombs, as witnessed since we invaded their country.

If they were unable to fight for their freedom back then, why should we think they would be able to do so now? A few days ago, the British troops along with some Iraqi troops, freed about 100 prisoners from a cellar where they were tortured and imprisoned. Except this time, they were not imprisoned by Saddam or his people, they were imprisoned and tortured by the Shiites, the people we are supporting? Is this progress?

As we hold Saddam in an American Army prison, we pretend that the Iraqis are in charge and will execute Saddam in accordance with their laws. The fact is they will execute Saddam when we hand him over and when we say to execute him. They are puppets, plain and simple.

Freedom is an alien concept to the Iraqi people. Perhaps someday they will progress to that point of enlightenment. However, that is not on the horizon anytime soon. They are still identified by tribes, even their names identify their families and tribes, and they have no concept of a unified nation with the same goals for all. The Shiites are no different from the Sunni, except maybe only more cruel?

So, the question must be asked, if we can hand Saddam over to the puppet government, why could we not hand him over to the International World Court? Donot be deceived. All the strings are being pulled in Washington. The champagne is on ice in Crawford, Texas.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:25 AM
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1. did you read Riverbend's latest blog ?
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:27 AM
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3. This really grabbed me

Is the American soldier that died today in Anbar more important than a cousin I have who was shot last month on the night of his engagement to a woman he's wanted to marry for the last six years? I don't think so.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:23 AM
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15. Illuminating.
Also it's interesting that she says that most of Saddam's govt were Shia. That puts a different slant on things.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:26 AM
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2. because Saddam knew that a happy middle class
was a ticket to a happy dictatorship.

and Iraq had a very happy middle class under Saddam
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:31 AM
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5. Your post makes me
wannajumpyourscooter.

I love informed people. :loveya:
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:39 AM
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8. Blush... aw, shucks maaam
just doin mah job
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:28 AM
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4. We are LOSING in Iraq. We, the world's top military. LOSING.
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 09:29 AM by LynnTheDem
Getting our asses kicked.

And the same bunch in 30 years couldn't take out Saddam Hussein??!

PULLEEEEEEEEEASE!!!

The Iraqis could have tossed Hussein out on his arse any day of the week.

They didn't.

Why? Well, coz if you're part of the reality world, you already know why; Hussein was not "worse than Hitler", the Iraqis were damned proud of their war against Iran, (and pissed off as hell at Hussein when after the Iran-Iraq war he gave won territory back to Iran)he was improving the lives of Iraqis (even won humanitarian awards for doing so) and he was a secular nationalist (Iraq for all Iraqis).

But nooo, can't face truth & reality in America's rightwingnut-world; noooo, them minority Sunni are so all-powerful all by themselves they're whooping US military ass all by themselves and that's why them poor wittle Kurds & Shia remained oppressed by Hussein and why Husssein stayed in power for 30 years.

:eyes:

Rightwingnuts; too fucking stupid for words.

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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:33 AM
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6. He might have walked amongst the people ..
.. in Sunni, Baathist areas. Surrounded by security. I doubt he wandered around on foot in Shiite areas or Kurd areas.

GWB can't hand him over to a World Court because that would mean he acknowledges the jurisdiction of a World Court.

And it would mean he acknowledges the illegitimacy of the Iraqi justice system.

Ain't gunna happen.

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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:47 AM
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10. You'd be wrong.
And in fact the Kurd warlord Talabani made a surprise visit to Baghdad where on national TV he kissed Saddam Hussein's cheek.

After the 1991 uprisings.

And in fact, Talabani's rival Kurd warlord Barzani asked Hussein for his help in Barzani's war against Talabani.

And in fact, there were no strictly Shia or Sunni or Kurd areas in Iraq and especially not in Baghdad.

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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:35 AM
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7. I wondered what the Death of Saddam would bring,
I figured there would be bloodshed by those still loyal to him...
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:44 AM
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9. you are so right- remember he even walked among his people
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 10:12 AM by Bluerthanblue
after we invaded?

While i'm not sure i'd ever desire to have lived in Iraq, they did have relative peace there prior to our invasion- even with the sanctions in place. Imposing 'our' kind of government upon another society is flat out wrong- there were no WMDS and we knew it- even if they had posessed them, it gave "US" no justification for invading a soverign nation.

If possession of WMDS is legitimate reason to have war waged against you, then the USA is in deep, deep sneakers- and the 'war' of terror is indeed a 'legitimate' war.

Wouldn't it have been something for * to have walked unprotected in the streets of NOLA a year and some months ago?-- Would the people have recieved him as Saddam was recieved?

We are being played Kentuck- just as you state so well- and it's getting old


(spelling edit) :crazy:
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:09 AM
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11. colonialism ain't a pretty thing
"Perhaps someday they will progress to that point of enlightenment. However, that is not on the horizon anytime soon. They are still identified by tribes, even their names identify their families and tribes,"

Ugh.
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:56 AM
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12. I read somewhere that each Iraqi household
was allowed to possess one AK-47. The Sunnis account for only twenty percent of the population, so why didn't the oppressed but well-armed eighty percent free themselves from the "ruthless dictator".
Prior to George the Firsts war, TV showed a clip of Hussein walking through a crowd, he reached out and took a gun from a bystander and shot a half dozen rounds into the air, then handed the gun back. At about the same time George the Elder visited the troops in Kuwait, the troops he was visiting had to turn in their ammo prior to his visit.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:18 AM
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13. Every Iraqi household HAD to own at least 1 AK-47. It was law.
Funny how Iraqis are kicking our asses but good...and yet the poor wittle things couldn't kick Hussein's ass for 30 years.

:eyes:

But hey, logic never was the rightwingnuttery's strong suit.
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:35 AM
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16. Thanks for the correction Lynn
But either way, could possess or required to possess, means they should have had the wherewithal to overthrow that "terrible human being" and for all those years did not.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 04:07 PM
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17. Yep, of course they could have. And nope, they didn't.
And yep, they're now doing the can of whoop-ass on us.

All just a trick. The Iraqis suckered bush & his rightwingnuttery in. Just to make bush look bad.

I'm sure that excuse is gonna appear in the US "media" shortly.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:21 AM
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14. And of course most rightwingnuts still think Iraqis were Iron Curtained
into Iraq and not allowed to leave. rotfl!!!

Oh and don't forget that killer "woodchipper"! :rofl:

We've committed one of the most heinous crimes in history with bush's illegal invasion of Iraq aided by the rightwing media and their catapulted propaganda bullshit.

And the blowback will deservedly be one fuck of a bitch. Unfortunately it won't be those who deserve it who will suffer it.
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