A scientifically conducted and peer reviewed examination of rape and assault.

[yella_dawg]

Rape and spousal abuse from a different perspective: actual facts.



SUMMARY: This bibliography examines 196 scholarly investigations: 153 empirical studies and 43 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 177,100.

[NorthernSpy]

1. on the other hand, men are more likely to put their victims in the morgue...

Let's not lose sight of that.

[yella_dawg]

4. There's gotta be *some* way men are at fault

Right?

[CTyankee]

7. And your point is? n/t

[Matariki]

14. you were ready for this argument, eh?

itching for it is my guess... maybe you should be more direct with your axe to grind?

[NorthernSpy]

21. if you knew me, you wouldn't leap to the conclusion...

... that your remark to me implies.


I've done my part to debunk false claims that activists have commonly made: the Superbowl battery myth; the one about pregnancy being the time in a woman's life when she is most likely to be a victim of domestic violence -- among others.

I've been forthright in pointing out that various incidents and scenarios that many have labeled as rape aren't actually rapes, and that not all alleged victims are credible.



When it comes to discussing men, women, sex, and violence, I've tried to be evenhanded and fair. So I get blasted a lot.

But I do think that the greater lethality of men's violence IS an important aspect of this issue. Do you disagree with that?

[VelmaD]

2. a lot of those studies...

were based on self-reporting. Not sure how accurate that is.

on edit: I also didn't see any of those studies that specifically addressed rape so you might want to edit your original subject line

[yella_dawg]

10. Several of the studies

address both rape and assault. Read carefully.

Also, most of the studies involve standard testing and evaluation, not simply "self-reporting".

[Warren DeMontague]

3. Oh, boy.

:popcorn:

[CTyankee]

5. So what are YOUR conclusions, yella?

What is the purpose of your post?

[yella_dawg]

8. My postition?

That we have a crisis of domestic violence in this country and if we don't begin to address that problem honestly, it will get worse, if that is possible. The idea that the problem is "men" is simply not supported by facts. Any solution not based on facts can only be effective by accident. It's time to wake up and deal with the problem.

[CTyankee]

17. So, do you believe that men are unfairly victimized? n/t

[yella_dawg]

20. I don't play the victim game.

I believe there is a real problem,and denial will not solve the problem.

[CTyankee]

27. You said there's "gotta be some way" men are blamed so I was

wondering if you felt the deck was stacked against men in the criminal justice system, in divorce cases, etc. That is what I meant.

[AikidoSoul]

6. I don't believe that women are "as physically aggressive, or more..."

That's nuts. The study design must have been organized by misogynist dweebs with an agenda. Studies are only as good as their design, no matter what the citations.

[yella_dawg]

9. Try reading the link

Are you suggesting that hundreds of "misogynist dweebs with an agenda" managed to get published in professional journals?

[SemperEadem]

11. I do because I've seen it

just because it's not your reality doesn't mean it's not a reality.

[Beaverhausen]

12. Oh please...

Domestic Homicides

On average, more than three women are murdered by their husbands or boyfriends in this country every day. In 2000, 1,247 women were killed by an intimate partner. The same year, 440 men were killed by an intimate partner.

Women are much more likely than men to be killed by an intimate partner. In 2000, intimate partner homicides accounted for 33.5 percent of the murders of women and less than four percent of the murders of men.

Pregnant and recently pregnant women are more likely to be victims of homicide than to die of any other cause, and evidence exists that a significant proportion of all female homicide victims are killed by their intimate partners.

Research suggests that injury related deaths, including homicide and suicide, account for approximately one-third of all maternal mortality cases, while medical reasons make up the rest. But, homicide is the leading cause of death overall for pregnant women, followed by cancer, acute and chronic respiratory conditions, motor vehicle collisions and drug overdose, peripartum and postpartum cardiomyopthy, and suicide.

http://endabuse.org/resources/facts/

[yella_dawg]

13. Wow!

You have a website with a claim, and all I got is these paltry 300 cataloged references. You win hands down!

[Beaverhausen]

16. If you click the link you will see the refrences for these claims

for example:

16Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief, Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, February 2003
17Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief, Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, February 2003
18Horon, I., & Cheng, D., (2001). Enhanced Surveillance for Pregnancy-Associated Mortality - Maryland, 1993 - 1998. The Journal of the American Medical Association, 285, No. 11, March 21, 2001.
19Frye, V. (2001). Examining Homicide's Contribution to Pregnancy-Associated Deaths. The Journal of the American Medical Association, 285, No. 11, March 21, 2001
20Nannini, A., Weiss, J., Goldstein, R., & Fogerty, S., (2002). Pregnancy-Associated Mortality at the End of the Twentieth Century: Massachusetts, 1990 – 1999. Journal of the American Medical Women’s Association, Vol. 57, No. 23, Summer 2002.
21Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Costs of Intimate Partner Violence Against Women in the United States, April 2003.

[yella_dawg]

19. So?

That doesn't change the fact that there is a strong body of evidence that domestic violence is not a gender issue. Note that many of the statistics suggesting radical disparity between genders are DoJ statistics based on criminal charges. In this society, domestic violence perpetrated on men is ignored or trivialized. Thus one would expect a disparity in criminal reporting.

[dsc]

15. Your second paragraph is irrelevent to this

The percentage of men and women whose murders are the result of domestic violence is irrelevent to numbers. Men are much more likely to be the victim of murders outside the home. They are far and away the primary victims of murders involving criminal activity, gangs, etc. Also the fact that murder is the number one cause of death in pregnant women is hardly surprising. Women who get pregnant are younger, healthier, and more careful than other women and thus less likely to die of other things. They also would presumedly be less likely to be suicidal. I do believe that more women die of spousal and partner violence than men but some of these stats are irrelevent to that issue.

[VelmaD]

18. may I recommend reading replies 2 and 4...

on this thread:
http://whiteribbonday.wordpress.com/2006/11/20/focusing-on-men%E2%80%99s-violence-against-women-does-not-mean-that-other-forms-of-violence-are-okay-or-don%E2%80%99t-exist/

Includes some more interesting statistics and a bit of a criticism of the scale used in many of the studies cited in your post. Seems the scale often used treats someone beating daily for a year the same as me retaliating and hitting them back once in terms of how we are scored on committing partner violence. Which makes me very leery of the results.

[yella_dawg]

22. So if the data does not fit the social preconception

it is suspect? The link lists nearly three hundred studies in a broad spectrum of professional and scientific journals. An internet blog is not peer review. That's what professional and scientific journals are for.

[VelmaD]

23. google is your friend...

go type in Conflict Tactics Scale critique and you will find plenty to chew on from professional and scientific journals.

You also might want to take a peek at the kind of sights that cite Fiebert's research. They are pretty out there.

[yella_dawg]

24. One last time.

Regardless of what you think of Fiebert and what arguments there are against the data gathering techniques, the fact stands that there is strong indication that domestic violence is not a male dominated endeavor. There is a strong bias in this culture against any mention of even the possibility that men might not be bastards. It's time to look seriously at the possibility that blaming men for everything that goes wrong in the world may not be the most productive solution.

[VelmaD]

26. So basically you're doing what you accuse...

those who disagree with you of doing...ignoring any evidence that contradicts what you want to believe.

BTW, I never claimed men are responsible for everything wrong in the world...though y'all do have to take a fiar share of the blame since you've essentially run things for several millenia now. And I never said all men are bastards. Most of my friends are men. But the simple fact is that enough men treat women like shit that it's hard not to notice. And a lot of y'all seem like you'd rather whine about how you get painted with the same brush as the bad guys than do anything about it.

Reply or not. I'm done. This is pointless.

[SemperEadem]

28. I think the basis of yella's point is

women are capable of dispicable and/or criminal behavior just as men are. Possession of ovaries doesn't preclude a woman from committing battery--picking up an object and hitting a man with it; poisoning food; scalding him with water.

Launching into a state of denial and reaching for non sequiturs to deflect the point doesn't erase the fact that it DOES happen.

The difference is that it's more than likely to happen that a woman would reach out to others--be it the police, family, friends, etc---to report her assault by a man whereas a man, due to socializing, would be more reticent to reach out to others or report his abuse by the hands of a woman for fear of being emasculated and further humiliated by the policeMEN who may ridicule him for letting a woman beat his ass.

After all, wasn't that long ago that the way rape victims were processed by the criminal justice system changed dramatically from the way they used to be processed 30-40 years ago... the times haven't changed as quickly for men in this situation.

If a woman starts assaulting anyone--man, woman or child, her butt needs to be locked up. Assault is assault, no matter who is doing it.

[StatsBabe]

25. 34% of those studies used college students as subjects

which is not really a representative sample, but is usually convenient for the researcher. I'm not as concerned with the accuracy of self report as I am with the use of non-representative samples such as college students. That said, it is difficult to get a representative sample for things like relationship abuse. Accuracy is always a problem, which is why researchers try to have large samples. However, the preponderance of studies indicate that women are more often seriously injured in relationship abuse.

I rarely post, just lurk, but this topic piqued my interest.Thanks for the heads up.