Whose death makes you sadder?

[proud2BlibKansan]

Poll question: Whose death makes you sadder?

[Deep13]

1. Say it loud!

It's hard to feel bad for a guy who dies at age 92.

[malaise]

14. Say it Louder

James Brown by some distance.

[Swamp Rat]

2. This poll is unfair.

I am not at all saddened by the passing of The Great Enabler.

[Solly Mack]

7. Me neither, Swamp

The "OMG! A President has died. Let's all sing his praises regardless of what he did in office because it's just respectful to honor a President, as we have been taught since childhood" thinking just didn't take hold with me.

[Swamp Rat]

12. I am shocked at the ignorance of some people

Btw, are you still in Europe? Check your PM.

[Solly Mack]

13. Yeppers. Still in Germany

Okies on the other :)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

22. As Are We.

[wildhorses]

3. you made me vote red--

this poll is fixed:P

[gollygee]

4. James Brown was no saint either

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/01/28/james.brown.arrested.ap/

[terrya]

6. But he wasn't Gerald Ford.

So, yes, he's a saint. Never mind that domestic violence stuff.

[Warren Stupidity]

10. Sure wasn't but man could that cat sing. nt.

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. He didn't pardon Nixon

That one act is enough for me to detest Ford and his legacy. Nixon was a monster. He belonged in prison.

[gollygee]

24. I'm not a fan of Ford

I'm not particularly saddened by the deaths of either of them. James Brown had great talent, but was terrible to his family. And wife beaters belong in prison too. Ford was a mediocre (at best) president who made a very very bad choice - really he was just a party hack wasn't he? But he was good to his family. So they both had a positive side and a negative side. And they both died as old men. And they'd both accomplished what they wanted to I suppose.

[Philosoraptor]

5. Git up offa that grief!

Saw James at the city market 4 years ago.

ford couldn't even sing.

I'll also grieve for all the invisible soldiers, now numbering 3000, and the half million innocent Iraqis, but not ford. Not one single, salty tear.

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. My kids saw him then too at the City Market

Their dad has been a huge fan since he was about 12 or 13. James Brown was a master. I grieve for him greatly. But yes, you're right, Ford couldn't even sing. LOL

[sarge43]

8. Neither

Both men completed their lives. For better or worse, they were able to do their life's work and make their contribution.

I am sadden and enraged by the death of Nathan Given, Th1onein's nephew. He never had his chance. He is a hope denied, a dream never fulfilled. He was murdered and we were robbed.

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. That is a much sadder death

and far more tragic.

[lukasahero]

9. Other - the nephew of the DUer killed in "Bush's war"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2986623&mesg_id=2986623

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. I thought about including him

but decided to keep my poll focus on well known Americans.

But I agree, the soldier's death is much worse.

[Hubert Flottz]

11. I haven't owned another Ford since Ford was pResident!

I'd sooner have the Gonorrhea, because it's easier to get rid of, than a damned Ford!

[mtnsnake]

15. Polls like this will no doubt bring up the worst about James Brown because

it's only fair to Ford in this poll to point out that The Godfather of Soul is no angel either. Brown had a history of domestic violence, among other things. Wife beating is just plain inexcusable. Brown's record, when it comes to his ladies, is not good. He was even charged once with aggravated assault and intent to murder his wife. As recent as 2004, he was arrested for domestic violence. Sorry to be such a downer on this, but that's just the way it is.

Just the same, I have to admit that Brown's death makes me sadder, but that's because of my love for rock and roll and his influence in the beginning of it all. My love for music is more influential upon me, in this particular poll, than my indifference toward Gerald Ford. May they both RIP, though.

[TayTay]

16. The last 18 year old to die in Iraq made me saddest of all

Mr. Brown and Mr. Ford lived long and productive lives. The kid dying in Iraq did not.

[madokie]

20. Our Soldiers who are dieing at an alarming rate

no others matter

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. I agree

[Possumpoint]

23. Entertainer vs President

Easy decision. Entertainers are over paid, hyped nothings in most cases. There are notable exceptions such as Bono however. In both cases, too many people are blowing smoke up their a$$es for them to have a proper perspective on life. This is especially so for entertainers.

President Ford had much more impact to my life then a singer/entertainer whose music I didn't care for. HE came across as an ordinary man put in the highest job in the country. I was mad as H for him pardoning Nixon but understood that he needed to pour oil on the water to calm the country down.

Reading his embargoed interviewed on the Iraq war, Kissinger, Channey, etc. makes me like him even more.

[mtnsnake]

27. Baloney

Entertainers are over paid, hyped nothings in most cases.

What a load. If I wanted to take the time, I could name hundreds of musicians, including James Brown, who really moved me. Now if you're only talking about TODAY'S overhyped nothings, like Brittany and things like boybands, then I might agree a bit more with you.

[johnnie]

31. I kind of saw your point..

..until you mentioned "TODAY'S overhyped nothings", then I realized that *you* are full of baloney. What makes your people any better than any other's people?

[mtnsnake]

46. Dream on, pal

First of all, I didn't say my people are any better than your people. I don't claim any performers from any time period as "my own".

Secondly, if you don't think there's a difference between the early days of rock and today's days....of what it takes to make a huge name for yourself...then I'd suggest you rent the nearest time machine and go and see for yourself. In the older days, for the most part, you didn't make it big unless you had talent. Today, there are plenty of cases where talent doesn't even factor into the occasion. Don't get me wrong, there is some great talent out there today, too, but there are just as many big name "entertainers" today who have zero talent but a great body and face, along with rich agents pushing them along.

As far as what I said in the other post, I said "if you're only talking about TODAY'S overhyped nothings, like Brittany and things like boybands....". I didn't say EVERYONE. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing.

[johnnie]

49. I didn't mention "my" people

I have a few years on me. I have been in involved in the music business for close to 30 years and know what it takes to make it in the business and not make it in the business.

I also forget that people tend to think in linear thoughts when they talk about music. It's all not rock, so I don't know where you are going with that. You think James Brown was rock? Or Britney Spears for that matter?

There is a reason why you think that a lot of people today have less talent than people in the "good ol' days", it's because you don't hear of the people from the "good ol' days" anymore that made it on mediocre talent. It's nice to live in a la la land of what you think, but there were plenty of people in the early days that weren't all that talented compared to many others. They had hits because of their looks and their managers.

You honestly think that people like Ricky Nelson, Bobby Vinton, LuLu, Bobby Sherman, Leif Garret, Nancy Sinatra and 100,000s of others made it big on pure raw talent and it had nothing to do with their looks?

[mtnsnake]

51. Good post, although you don't need to be up on a pedestal to make your point.

Just a little uppity sounding.

I haven't been in the business all my life, other than playing in a band for 10 years a long time ago, but I've been into music in a big way all my life.

I have a few years on me. I have been in involved in the music business for close to 30 years and know what it takes to make it in the business and not make it in the business....I also forget that people tend to think in linear thoughts when they talk about music. It's all not rock, so I don't know where you are going with that...You think James Brown was rock?...It's nice to live in a la la land of what you think...

I hope you'll excuse me for not being the such an elite music person as you are.

Anyway, I'm not going to argue over music. We'll just both end up nitpicking over something we both love. I'm glad you have a big interest in music, though.

[verse18]

29. "Entertainers are over paid, hyped nothings in most cases."

And Presidents aren't. At the very least, Ford was a patsy, a pawn, whose biggest accomplishments was to let a criminal get away scot free. James Brown and his music influenced and changed our culture.

[Buzz Clik]

30. Great post!

Good to see that some DUers who don't have their heads up their asses are speaking up.

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. And I think anyone who praises Ford

has their head firmly up their ass.

[jus_the_facts]

53. here's their sign....

:yoiks:

[proud2BlibKansan]

34. James Brown deserved every penny he earned

He was far from just an entertainer.

Ford lost me completely when he pardoned Nixon. The country didn't need to calm down, and justice was never served.

[mondo joe]

55. Really nice from someone with a Twain avatar.

Twain was no less an entertainer than Brown.

[Possumpoint]

68. Brown Compared to Twain

Is as a candle to a search light.

[mondo joe]

70. Then you don't understand Twain in the least.

How sad to see his image appropriated by a prude.

[mark414]

60. JB was more than an entertainer

he stopped riots by singing after MLK was killed. his concerts brought white and black people together in the 1960's. he single-handedly is responsible for multiple genres of music, among them hip hop being the most popular genre in the entire country.

any other singer i could agree with you...but this was JAMES BROWN

[Buzz Clik]

26. Option 3. I mourn the death of DU sensibilities.

All this urinating on Ford's warm, recently dead body is beneath contempt.

[mtnsnake]

28. I couldn't agree more

This isn't the time to piss on Ford.

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. Okay let's forget

that he pardoned Nixon. Sounds like a great plan to me! :sarcasm:

[mtnsnake]

47. Where did I say that? I'd love for you to show me

where I suggested or implied that we should forget that Ford pardoned Nixon. Good luck. I'll be waiting for you to back up your words.

[proud2BlibKansan]

57. By suggesting this is not the time to piss on him

The only way I could agree is if I forgot he pardoned Nixon.

[mtnsnake]

62. Not the same thing at all

"Suggesting this is not the time to piss on him" doesn't mean in any way, shape, or form that I would ever condone Ford's pardon of Nixon. I was old enough when Nixon got pardoned to know that it was one of the most disappointing days politically that this nation has ever endored.

Anyway, it's no biggie.

Peace.

[proud2BlibKansan]

32. I am not urinating on his body

And how dramatic!! Good grief.

[Buzz Clik]

35. Uh, yeah you are.

If you had spent the past decade posting daily on how Ford was evil for his single act, then you might have a case. But all this celebratory bashing of a man who's been gone for less than 36 hours is disgusting.

The handful of us who find this behavior hideous will not silence the hundreds of DUers who can't even wait even two days to post their obits of hate, but we are telling the truth. This kind of behavior borders on uncivilized.

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. Posting facts is hate???

I have spoken out against Ford since he pardoned Tricky Dick. My sister even called me yesterday because she thought of me as soon as she heard Ford was dead. She knows how much I disrespected him. Remembering the one thing he did that forgave an evil evil man from being punished is far from uncivilized. Stating facts is not uncivilized. Ignoring them is delusional.

Ths handful of DUers who find this behavior hideous are definitely in the minority here. Thank gawd.

[Buzz Clik]

38. This shit needs to be framed.

I was not posting here at DU when Reagan died. I strongly disliked Reagan, and the loud mourning and tearing of the hair by the adoring righties was enough to make me vomit. However, I waited until the man was in the ground before I cut loose.

It's called manners. Respect. Civility. You (collectively) need some serious training in how to behave like human beings.

Be assured that whenever you join the ranks of the knuckledraggers who urinate on the recently dead, I will be here to bathe you in well-deserved scathing criticism.

[proud2BlibKansan]

40. Well good for you

How dare you criticize my manners! Ford was an evil man who did an evil thing that he will never be forgiven for. Sorry you apparently don't study history.

[Buzz Clik]

43. Let's put it another way:

You may be proud2Blib, but we're not proud of your behavior.

But don't let us stand in your way. It's your right to act like this way, no matter how reprehensible.

[proud2BlibKansan]

58. And I should be concerned about YOUR opinion because . . .???

:rofl:

[melissinha]

44. besides could anyone POSSIBLY imagine how pressured Ford was to pardon Nixon?

Could you even FATHOM the immense pressure the guy was under to pardon Nixon??? Frankly I can't see that he had a choice..... so lets talk about comparing a war hero and a felon, lets just go there... How is it that being a great musician pardons you for all the lawless behavior. so don't go there.

Buzz Clik is absolutely correct. This type of crap just goes to portray us as the loony left.

[personman]

39. Brown was only a wife-beater and drug user, nothing near as bad as a president. nt

[melissinha]

41. Stupid poll, disrespectful to compare two completely different people

It does nothing to promote the intelligence of the people here on DU.

These men are dead, respect them enought to not put stupid polls on DU.

[proud2BlibKansan]

61. Then just ignore this thread

You do have a choice here. Sheesh.

[Xenotime]

42. I feel good!

[mtnsnake]

52. Owwwww!!!

I do, too! :evilgrin:

[slackmaster]

45. None of the above

Karl Strauss, may he rest in peace.

[devilgrrl]

48. The nephew of a fellow DUer who died in Iraq

then James Brown.

[sniffa]

50. other - saddam

he's our hero. :cry:

[JVS]

54. Did Gerald Ford beat his wife?

[HuffleClaw]

56. neither?

[mulsh]

59. James Brown contributed so much to America

Gerald Ford was just a politician.

[mondo joe]

63. Neither makes me sad. They both had long lives.

Admittedly, James Brown feels like a greater loss to me - but it doesn't make me sad.

[bigwillq]

64. James Brown

because I actually liked James Brown.

[undeterred]

65. the three soldiers from Wisconsin that have died in Iraq during the last week

and the nephew of a DUer who died

[WI_DEM]

66. I'm not necessarily overcome by grief by either death

I'm saddest about the kids and civilians who are being killed in Iraq--including the nephew of a DUer.

[karlrschneider]

67. who is James Brown?

...

[iamthebandfanman]

69. nobody corrected your grammer

im impressed! lol. usually the spell check and grammer nazi's are in full force around here!

and i think we all know which one makes us more sad, lol

[karlrschneider]

71. "grammer"?

:eyes:

You might want to get your apostrophe locater calibrated...