1973--V.P. Agnew Resigns, Nixon consults on successor- could it happen again?

[Philosoraptor]

http://encarta.msn.com/media_461567805/Agnew_Resigns.html

On October 11, 1973, Spiro T. Agnew became the first American vice president to resign from office because of criminal charges. He was charged with extortion, tax evasion, and bribery. He pleaded no contest to tax evasion and was fined $10,000. Agnew’s disgrace added to the weight of the problems faced by United States President Richard Nixon. The 1972 break-in at the Democratic Party headquarters at the Watergate building in Washington, D.C., caused Nixon to resign from office less than a year after Agnew resigned.

Could all this shit happen AGAIN? I think these guys are all pre-pardoned already.

[autorank]

1. Yes...

...if "management" says so.

[Philosoraptor]

2. cheney resigns, w picks successor, who pardons him when he too resigns

[autorank]

3. Nobody,he's finished.

One word...Paraguay;)

[Philosoraptor]

4. The crimes these guys have done you have to escape from

Literally, they'll have to escape if they don't plan on being prosecuted, we're talking war crimes here.

[autorank]

5. I know...and "management" is not amused.

When Poppy and Co sat down with the big money boys (well not them but their representatives) I bet the conversation included words like "But why should we come up with $60 million over night for this idiot." "Oh don't worry" they were told, "we can manage him." Well, they didn't. So now they're in trouble too. Look at the blow-off of the new and improved Iraq Study Group. Look at W preen and drivel. It's bad news.

He had had his chance and he turned down the "Get out of Jail" card.

[Auggie]

6. I would hope so. But what if that successor were McCain?

[autorank]

7. And we were being civilized here...

...:rofl:

What a thought? Now I'll never sleep;) It can't be unless McCain is on some mission to look palatable to * supporters when he assumes the job. I can't begin to believe that. Besides, McCain and Rudy G are dropping like rocks in polls; they both lose head-to-head (sic) against Hillary.

Nope, it will be someone acceptable...Powell,with a real promise not to run is my bet.

[Auggie]

8. I can't believe Powell would go along. They made him look like a fool.

[autorank]

9. Payback...duty...or

"I told you so." Talk about being able to taunt...

Or somebody else...so enamoured with position.

[hootinholler]

24. That would be too cool for Powell to get the nod...

And then tell W to go fuck himself, no pardon.

-Hoot

[NewJeffCT]

11. Bad news if it's McCain

The media will give him a honeymoon, calling him a "breath of fresh air" after Cheney. We had similar here in Connecticut - our governor resigned in disgrace. Then, his Lieutenant Governor took over and the media turned her into Snow White (literally - the editorial cartoons had her in a Snow White outfit) even though she had been our governor's right hand for 10 years of corruption.

[salin]

10. Nope. Cheney as VP = bush's impeachment insurance.

[autorank]

14. You're right but...

...how about this. "Management" wants Cheney out as much as they want Bush out. So, there's the old Agnew technique. As a kid I heard that Agnew was taking cash in the VP's wing of the White House. Having heard amazing tales from a distant relative by marriage who had been Sheriff of Baltimore County, I thought to myself..."He didn't just start taking cash. He's been doing it all along." Thus my political education advanced. The got Agnew when they wanted to replace Nixon. He was there for the taking all along.

Bush is used up, he's a negative force, and he is now BAD for business. Adios and that means that Cheney needs to get caught or require rest very soon. We'll see. But I'll bet he gets sent to his room pretty soon. He's the servant who mistook himself for a squire.

[LTR]

12. Wasn't Ford a compromise choice?

I recall that the guys Nixon really wanted (like Connelly) were shot down, and that Nixon was so disgraced by this point that he really had no power.

Ford was an amiable, inoffensive person that everyone seemed to get along with. Plus, he was moderate enough that Democrats really had few qualms against him.

My fear is that if Bush were to replace Cheney, the current Congress would just rubber-stamp it, kinda like Gates. They just want the guy gone ASAP.

[etherealtruth]

21. That was my understanding, as well

"They" compromised on an amiable affable guy ... one that the entire congress could easily agree on.

[Independent_Liberal]

13. Yup.

I think some things are going to start to develop at Libby's trial in January. I believe Fitzgerald is sitting on indictments of Hadley and Gonzales right now. I think Libby is going to rat out some more players and then Fitz is going to go about nailing Dick.

[autorank]

15. I second that position.

If you're right about Gonzo, we're talking major history. Has there ever been an A.G. of the US indicted for any criminal behavior? None in the modern era. Time for Fitz to move, get those
doggies rolling.

? for you. What was that indictment in DC Federal court listed as "deleted" versus "deleted" (not the exact words but you get my drift)?

[Independent_Liberal]

18. Um... John Mitchell.

Nixon's AG. I'd say once Fitz nails Gonzo and he resigns, that means Deputy AG McNulty who was the Chief Prosecutor investigating AIPAC (he's the one who indicted Franklin) will become acting AG by succession. Watch for this. Have you ever taken out several small nugets from the bottom of a gingerbread house and once you keep picking at it, the whole house comes tumbling down? You'll see what I'm talking about.

Once the witnesses step forward at the Libby trial (like Miller, Cooper, Russert, etc.), that's when the wheels will be set in motion. I think all the witnesses Fitz has with him know a bunch of stuff about Cheney (like Plame, AIPAC, Aragoncillo (who's also linked to Abramoff), the Energy Task Force, Halliburton, Enron, Mexico influence peddling (Bilbray and Duncan Hunter who are both caught up in MZM are linked to this), Nigerian bribes, etc.). I believe when Walton begins the trial Sibel Edmonds is going to bring her case with the Justice Department on FBI cover-ups to him. I think the ACLU will get him to hear her case. It will probably be related to things like Hastert bribery allegations, Turkish "Deep State" mafia, AIPAC, Feith, Perle, IAI, Brewster Jennings, Iran nukes, nuclear black market sales, Plame, etc. I also think the AIPAC grand jury is getting ready to nail Feith and Perle and the Abramoff grand jury is probably going to nail Hastert too. I do believe Conyers, Waxman and Leahy will let Edmonds testify at their hearings.

Also, I think Eliot Spitzer was waiting until he became governor to open an investigation into 9/11 in NY. I bet his AG will empanel a grand jury and an Independent Prosecutor will be appointed to subpoena EPA documents and 911 emergency dispatch tapes.

Did you hear that the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition filed suit against the Justice Department and the DEA to force the release of documents on that "House of Death" Mexico drug murder cover-up? I wonder if Bilbray and Hunter are somehow linked to that.

Also, I heard that a few members of the 9/11 Commission were considering filing criminal charges with Justice Department against NORAD for providing them with false information on delayed responses. The threat of criminal charges is something that usually helps get people motivated. We'll wait and see.

:)

[Independent_Liberal]

19. Also...

I believe Rove is going to get nailed in the Abramoff investigation. Justice Department Prosecutor Peter Zeidenberg may already be sitting on an indictment right now as we speak.

[Independent_Liberal]

20. You still there Mike?

Where did you go? I wanted to hear your responses to my two posts above.

[hootinholler]

23. Sealed Vs Sealed

It hasn't been unsealed as yet that I'm aware of. There are plenty of indictments titled U.S. vs. Sealed, but a sealed vs. sealed is unusual.

My guess is that it's a RICO indictment. RICO provides for an individual to recover damages, if my understanding is correct. Add to that my track record of guesses in this case nad you get a big fat question mark, i.e. I've been consistently wrong. :evilgrin:

-Hoot

[Octafish]

16. The crook Spiro Agnew got a job repping Saudi Arabia.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Middle_East/Saudis_Americans.html

[salin]

17. Sen McCain sure hopes so....

or so his cozying up and water carrying for bushco would suggest...

[eppur_se_muova]

22. Well, Ford wasn't re-elected ... that's a precedent I could live with. nt

[Independent_Liberal]

25. Need to revive this topic.

Please, talk to me Mike. You didn't die on me, did you?

:)