Bill Young (R-FL) says on the House floor

[burythehatchet]

that his wife was asked to leave the SOTU speech because she had a shirt on that said "Support the Troops". WTF is going on?

[babylonsister]

1. Really? I find it hard to believe ANY politician's wife wore a

t-shirt to the SOTU. Odd that.

[burythehatchet]

2. I wonder if it was cover for kicking out and arresting Cindy

[babylonsister]

6. That's what it sounds like to me; even if it didn't happen,

the media can spin it that way. OK, so show me some pics! And BTW, did she get arrested?

[burythehatchet]

27. he didn't say she was arrested, just booted.

[in_cog_ni_to]

43. That's exactly what it is.

He held up a sweatshirt that said "Support The Troops"...like a Congressman's wife would actually wear that to the SOTU speech. They are so pathetic. Do we have any witnesses that she was thrown out? I mean HONEST, non-repuke witnesses? Was this all over the news? NO. Has the corporate owned MSM mentioned it? I don't know, I don't watch them. It's pure bullshit.

[Strawman]

48. completely staged

To take the spotlight off Cindy. Some mole tipped them off that she was going to be there in a shirt and they planned this.

[Chimichurri]

7. I wondered the same thing. n/t

[Binka]

31. It Was On Her St John Knit You Dummy

:silly:

[liberalnurse]

38. I'd say "prove it ".......

The republican's lie constantly.

[liberal N proud]

3. Show me the proof buddy!

He is full of shit.

[txindy]

4. Probably trying to counter charges that Cindy was singled out

They lie. And then they lie some more.

[sabra]

5. was she handcuffed and arrested too?

[OKNancy]

8. Article here:

http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060201/APX/602010641

sounds fishy to me

[FearofFutility]

10. Thanks for the link

It does sound fishy.

[FredStembottom]

16. Be sure to note this part....

"She was not ejected from the gallery. She did leave on her own," said Sgt. Kimberly Schneider...."

That is suspicious....

Is this just the birth of another instantaneous, machine-like Rightwing cover story?

If so, it may well work.

[burythehatchet]

30. Thanks OKN

First I heard of this was when Young mentioned it during 1-minute floor speech. Something is definitly fishy. More I think of it, more I believe its linked to Cindy's arrest.

[mod mom]

34. ARTICLE: Capitol Police disagreed with Young's account of the incident.

SOUNDS VERY FISHY, INDEED!

[FearofFutility]

9. I searched for a link on this and can't find one.

I call BS!

[Boxerfan]

11. WTF is right...They treated his wife like they do any US citizen

Who speaks out...Only this time they screwed up big. Take advantage of this, get the word out. A major Hawk Repug's WIFE was gestapo'd out of the ceremony. That is BIG news folks....Spread it far & wide as media will never do it's job we know.

[havocmom]

15. Maybe they treated her the same. Did they cuff her like Cindy got cuffed?

Was Cindy arrested or just removed?

[havocmom]

12. Is he also defending Cindy's right to wear tee with message?

:rofl:

Prolly not. Just cranky cuz HIS wife wasn't allowed to have a message tee. Also probably had to deal with her yelling all night about how HER right to free speech got violated! Does she do the same for the THOUSANDS of Americans sent off the to Free Speech Zone gulags whenever there is an appearance by members of the junta?

Want to know. Was Cindy actually arrested for wearing a tee with a message? Was Mrs Young arrested for her breaking the same rule?

Isn't there something about Equal Protection in that instrument the junta ignores?

[rodeodance]

26. wife not arrested even after telling officer -you are an idiot (says wife)

[havocmom]

37. Well, isn't SHE special !?! Wonder if you or I could get away with that

Whatever happened to Equal Protection Under the Law, anyway?

[bluedog]

13. Florida Link

and yes there is a "dounle standard" on how they handled this!!



Rep. C.W. Bill Young(R) wife also ejected from gallery




Beverly Young, the outspoken wife of U.S. Rep. C.W. Bill Young, says officers objected to her "Support the Troops" shirt.

By BILL ADAIR, Times Washington Bureau Chief
Published February 1, 2006
Capitol Hill wife who just won't sit still
By Bill Adair
Seen but not heard? Not Beverly Young. For wounded soldiers, she'll make such a fuss until laws are changed.


WASHINGTON - Beverly Young, wife of Rep. C.W. Bill Young of Indian Shores, said she was ejected from the House gallery during Tuesday night's State of the Union address because she was wearing a T-shirt that said "Support the Troops - Defending Our Freedom."

Young said she was sitting in the gallery's front row, about six seats from first lady Laura Bush, when she was approached by someone from the Capitol Police or sergeant-at-arms office who told her she needed to leave the gallery.

She reluctantly agreed but argued with several officers in the hallway outside the House chamber.

"They said I was protesting," she said in a telephone interview late Tuesday. "I said, "Read my shirt, it is not a protest.' They said, "We consider that a protest.' I said, "Then you are an idiot."'



She said she was so angry that "I got real colorful with them."

They told her she was being treated the same as Cindy Sheehan, an antiwar protester who was ejected before the speech Tuesday night for wearing a T-shirt with an antiwar slogan and refusing to cover it up.

Beverly Young said, "Wait until the president finds out."


more ::


http://www.sptimes.com/2006/02/01/Worldandnation/T_shirt_earns_exit_fr.shtml

[babylonsister]

19. So, true story. I see no mention of an arrest. Hmmmm. nt

[soup]

47. 'They told her she was being treated the same as Cindy Sheehan'

Hardly!

Anybody got a mug shot?

from the St Pete Times article:
>>Sgt. Kimberly Schneider of the Capitol Police could not provide details about the incident but said, "She was not ejected from the gallery. She did leave on her own."

Young's husband, a Republican who chairs the House appropriations subcommittee on defense, was unaware she was removed until after the speech. He said he was furious about the incident.

"I just called for the chief of police and asked him to get his little tail over here," Rep. Young said late Tuesday. "This is not acceptable."<<

"Get his little tail over here"???

thanks for the link, bluedog.

[frylock]

51. "Wait until the president finds out."

big poopyhead. Real mature there, honey.

[ccpup]

14. Well, IF it's true ...

Cindy can call Mrs. Young as a witness in her upcoming case against the Government for the violation of her Rights to Free Speech. If it's a lie, Mr. and Mrs. Young will be caught, possibly even perjure themselves. If it's not a lie, the disparity between the treatment of the Repug Congressman's wife (calmly asked her to leave -- although she was arguing with them --, respectfully escorted out, was not arrested or incarcerated) and Cindy (dragged up the stairs, arrested, incarcerated), will become known. In my (optimistic) view, it's a win-win regardless.

[babylonsister]

17. Welcome to DU, ccpup, and good observation. Cindy

didn't miss much, but should garner lots of attention for the way she was treated. I'll just bet ya Mrs. Young wasn't treated the same way.

[FredStembottom]

20. Agin, if true.....

Let's hope picures of BOTH incidents arise. The contrast should be very interesting.

[FredStembottom]

18. Good points!

Even if a hostile witness, Mrs. Young should be called upon in any proceedings concerning Ms. Sheehan.

Again....if this is a true story.........

[Pacifist Patriot]

55. Yep! Welcome.

[bluedog]

21. I think she'll help Cindy.

*this older article says she not the norm "hill" wife.......she cares about the Vets of this War....and her actions are louder than words...read it.....see where she really stands.....


"I could buy a dress for George Bush's Christmas party - or give $200 to (the fiancee of the wounded Marine). I'd rather give it to the girl."


http://www.sptimes.com/2005/12/19/Worldandnation/Capitol_Hill_wife_who.shtml

[Kagemusha]

22. House floor huh? Look, Congressmen have NO say over Senate rules

no more than you or I do.

If his wife violated Senate rules then tough tators.

And the same for Cindy, too. Like it or not, the Senate's right to make its own rules is protected by the US constitution, and not even the President may dictate them.

[rodeodance]

23. wife said to officer: Then you are an idiot.'" (yet no arrest)

...http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060201/APX/602010641&cachetime=5&template=printart

Article published Feb 1, 2006
Rep. Young's wife says she was ejected from State of the Union

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. The wife of Rep. C.W. Bill Young said she was ejected during President Bush's State of the Union address for wearing a T-shirt that said, "Support the Troops Defending Our Freedom," a newspaper reported Wednesday.

Beverly Young said she was sitting in the front row of the House gallery Tuesday night when she was approached by someone who told her she needed to leave, according to the St. Petersburg Times.

After reluctantly agreeing, she said, she argued with several officers in an outside hallway.

"They said I was protesting," she said in a telephone interview with the newspaper Tuesday. "I said, 'Read my shirt, it is not a protest.' They said, 'We consider that a protest.' I said, 'Then you are an idiot.'"

[rodeodance]

24. "Support the Troops Defending Our Freedom," was on the Wife's t-shirt.

[princehal]

25. Ok

Prove to me T-Shirts are agaunst the rules...

[rodeodance]

29. "asked him to get his little tail over here," Young said." geech!

.....Rep. Young found out about the incident after Bush's speech.

"I just called for the chief of police and asked him to get his little tail over here," Young said. "This is not acceptable."

[rodeodance]

32. Beverly Young said, "Wait until the president finds out." Hey Jr. Bev is

going to be calling you. Whatcha gonna do?

[saigon68]

33. get his little tail over here

I wonder how big "HIS LITTLE TAIL" is ?

[soup]

49. oops. should have read through the whole thread

before I posted that line, too.

I'm almost speechless here.

Get his little tail over here.

[Kagemusha]

36. Who the hell do you think I am to prove anything of the sort?

What part of this do you not understand - neither you nor I nor any mere Congressman or any mere President of the United States has one bit of right to say whether or not wearing a protest or message oriented T-shirt rather than a decorum-oriented dress or suit is against the rules of the Senate of the United States of America. On Senate grounds, free speech means what the Senate says it means, no more and no less, because that is what the Constitution allows it to do. It's also a rule not a law even though on Senate grounds it has the force of law.

First of all the rule sounds pretty damn plain. Second they have a process to decide these things based on precedent. I heard a little about it re: discussions about "the nuclear option". But I'm not going to insult anyone's intelligence by suggesting that I have any right or authority to interpret the Senate's own internal rules. They can say the sky is purple polka-dots and if 51 Senators agree it is so, then the official position of the US Senate is that the sky is purple polka-dots.

[dweller]

40. here ya go.

"Believing that the Capitol Police needed guidance in determining what behavior constitutes a demonstration,” the United States Capitol Police Board issued a
regulation that interprets “demonstration activity” to include: parading, picketing, speechmaking, holding vigils, sit-ins, or other expressive conduct that conveys a
message supporting or opposing a point of view or has the intent, effect or propensity to attract a crowd of onlookers, but does not include merely wearing Tee
shirts, buttons or other similar articles of apparel that convey a message.”

http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/97-1337c.pdf

dp

[Kagemusha]

41. This concerns a regulation issued by the capitol police board.

That has a little less force than a rule of the United States Senate regulating activity within the Senate chamber itself. And I bothered to read the whole thing - for First Amendment purposes the Senate is not a public forum.

But more to the point, the internal rules of the Senate are beyond judicial rebuke. This was a regulation issued by the police to try and implement what they thought was proper. I have no idea why the issue should have been left discretionary in the slightest.

I still completely resent the idea that I have to prove anything when the constitution plainly says the Senate can decide this particular matter for itself.

[dweller]

42. in the second para of the Background

i read "any Capitol building" and this should include the Senate. And yes, this does describe what the DC Capitol police should use to determine what constitutes 'demonstration behavior'.

they removed Sheehan, not some senators.

dp

[Kagemusha]

45. Uh, you don't expect Frist to physically drag people out, do you?

While you're shall we say, downplaying my intelligence, do you understand what I mean in that the source of the rule is a constitutional issue? The courts have the right to slam the cops for enforcing a rule they themselves issue to interpret 'demonstration behavior'. They can do that, because capitol police board is an executive branch agency. They're cops.

The courts, on the other hand, have absolutely no right to second guess the Senate on regulations issued about the conduct of the Senate, including the gallery. None. Zilch. Nada.

If your argument is that because the Senate is a capitol building and a bunch of cops have the right to issue rules that overrude the rules of the Senate, and that the courts can override both... please, re-read the Constitution. Please. I'm not citing this to be a jerk. I'm citing this because it's sad to see good people far astray because they don't understand that the Senate is not a place where you can march protest parades through on State of the Union day or any other. It just is not so; just because Cindy Sheehan got arrested there, does not make it so, either. They're not just picking on Cindy; on this issue, they come down hard on everyone. EVERYONE.

Now if you wanna say the Senate is run by a bunch of pricks, go ahead. But they have the constitutional right to be pricks.

[dweller]

46. lighten UP .

i'm not downplaying anyone's intelligence, well maybe the DC police. You asked why you should have to supply a rule, i supplied what i see as the rule applied by DC police, according to a court ruling, that states wearing a t-shirt is not demonstration. And they are the ones doing the arresting of Sheehan, but not the Rep's wife, for wearing a t-shirt.

does it not say in the Constitution that the law is applied equally to all?

perhaps the pricks in the Senate can speak up on this issue, until then, you can argue on your on.

good day.
dp

[mcar]

28. Link to St. Pete Times article here

http://www.stpetetimes.com/2006/02/01/Worldandnation/T_shirt_earns_exit_fr.shtml

[mod mom]

35. LOL: Beverly Young said, "Wait until the president finds out."

"I'M TELLING GEORGIE!!!!!"

[txindy]

50. The very first sentence of that article shows the problem with the 'story'

Beverly Young, wife of Rep. C.W. Bill Young of Indian Shores, said she was ejected...

It's only her word here. No one has corroborated anything. There are no pictures. They are many pictures of Cindy being removed, yet not one of another 'protestor'? Surely, at least one photographer would've found another removal worthy of a snap or two. Yet,... Nada.

Until Bev Young coughs up photographic evidence, she's a liar, imo.

[Canuckistanian]

39. They didn't point at her and yell, "Protestor!"?

There's a officer who needs to re-read his Brownshirt Handbook.

[burythehatchet]

44. here's a picture

[LittleClarkie]

52. She reportedly called the security guy and idiot as well

"But I'm a REPUBLICAN! It's okay when we break the rules! Did I tell you I was a Republican?"

Apparently the guy hates America.

[OzarkDem]

53. Why wan't she arrested?

Like Ms. Sheehan was? Do we have double standards now for Republicans and Democrats?

[txindy]

54. Photographers must have double standards.

They took many photos of Cindy being led away, yet there doesn't appear to be a single shot of Mrs. Young, another 'protestor' that the photographers surely couldn't have known by sight, being removed from the chamber. I'd've thought that, after Cindy's ejection, any other removal would've been covered by cameras like green on grass.

Funny, isn't it?