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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:03 PM
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Gold Star mom on Fox thinks free human beings should not be able
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 03:05 PM by RGBolen
to travel to countries and meet with people as they see fit. Re: Kerry meeting with foreign leaders
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:07 PM
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1. She's right.
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 03:08 PM by Kutjara
The price of freedom is eternal repression. Isn't it enough that you're free without constantly insisting on exercising your freedom?

Thomas Jefferson said that. Or maybe it was George Jefferson.

I forget.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:07 PM
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2. Gold Star mom on Fox is the victim of the "New Speak"
War is Peace
Freedom is imprisonment
Black is white
NeoConvicts are gods
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:08 PM
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3. I think she has as much right as Sheehan to spout, and I have as much
right to ignore either.
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:14 PM
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12. It's not a matter of right.
Of course she has the right to say it. But she's being stupid. That's what the problem is.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:19 PM
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13. Sheehan is no Einstein. They have an audience because they lost their sons.
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 03:19 PM by seriousstan
That didn't suddenly make their IQ jump.
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 01:52 AM
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32. I didn't mean to say Sheehan was a genius.
I am aware that she's a little ditzy. I meant that the woman on FNC is being an idiot by taking that position. I'm not speaking of her actual intelligence, I just mean that she is acting like an idiot. I would say that Sheehan's loss is not the sole reason for her notoriety. She possesses a moral courage that is very rare in America today. She knows right from wrong and is not afraid to say what she believes. Sometimes she says things in a very unpolished way, but I know exactly what she means to say. When she and Harry Belafonte called Bush a terrorist together, it was Belafonte that was able to adaquately explain the remark. He's extremely eloquent (not that you would know from watching the corporate media; am I the only one that sees a pattern of the mainstream media portraying black people as stupid? I thought Belafonte, Sharpton, and McKinney were morons before I heard them for myself; they are all intellectually limber.) But I can still tell what Sheehan wishes to say even when she doesn't say it properly. I think she exhibits a courage and rectitude that harkens back to Rosa Parks. I think that contributes to her notoriety as well.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:23 PM
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17. of course she has the right. that is not the issue. I do think Senators have
an obligation to meet with foreign leaders in times like these. esp when our own WH refuses to talk.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:09 PM
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4. I'd like to know what she thinks about Specter going to Syria
Specter is going to Syria to meet with the leaders next month.
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Little Wing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:10 PM
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5. and and and these right-wing newscasters, they put on these Iraq War widows
who come out and say things you disagree with but they're untouchable because they lost a loved one in Iraq.

I've never seen mothers so happy to lose their kids.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:25 PM
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20. Hiold it, not if your name is Cindy Sheehan
she is a gold star mother too doncha know?
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Little Wing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:22 PM
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30. You're aware I was turning Ann Coulter's argument on its side, yes?
To hopefully show how ridiculous it was.

Not that it needed help looking ridiculous.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:10 PM
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6. Funny - why didn't they worry about this the FIRST TWO TIMES Kerry met with al Assad?
Oh yeah - the press didn't pay attention, and the ISG report pretty much agrees with Kerry. So BushInc can't let this one slide without attempting yet another media pile-on against Kerry.
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:11 PM
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7. Yet it's perfectly okay for Congressmen to travel to Iraq
Then come back here and tell us all these "rosy" stories that they think are more important.

Besides, Kerry has more statesmanship in his pinky finger than Bush has in his entire Cabinet.
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GrumpyGreg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:12 PM
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8. Her pain,her opinion. So be it!
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:12 PM
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9. Is she okay with this?
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minnesota_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:13 PM
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10. Gold Star Neo-Con Shill would be more accurate
Fox is great at digging up "experts" with no credibility. She's no different.
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:14 PM
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11. Wonder how much her 'honorarium' wa$..
...for appearing on FAUX and $peaking.
I'm almo$t po$itve $he was compen$ated for her time and her lo$$...

:sarcasm:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:20 PM
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14. the Dems are defying the WH---now the Right is doing their dissing.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:22 PM
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16. And they are opening the door to Republics doing it when there is a Dem in the WH. nt
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democrat_06 Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:02 PM
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22. There are consequences
Ok, we need to change the foreign policy direction this country has taken. The means to that end are to elect a Democratic president in '08, not to usurp the foreign policy of the current administration. Granted, I may not like it either but I do like the Constitution. If the Democratic senators meet with foreign leaders now, the Rethugs will do the same. Foreign policy is the responsibility of the Executive branch of government. Don't like it, vote for change but don't mess with the Constitution. It is the job of the Legislative branch to make laws affecting our domestic policies and to appropriate funds.

I may agree with what they are trying to do, but I don't agree with the methods. The conversation should be had here. Just imagine if during WWII some Rethugs arranged a meeting with Hitler and Mussolini to try and end the war while Roosevelt was planning D-Day. It's just not good precedent.
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A Simple Game Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:31 PM
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23. Welcome to DU and I agree 100%.
I am too lazy to look for it tonight, but if I remember right, some Republican Senators and/or Representatives did try to undermine President Clinton's foreign policy by meeting with foreign leaders.

Of course there was the meeting with the Iranians when Carter was President. We are still living with the results of that foreign policy interference.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 05:26 PM
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28. Big difference - these senators aren't doing COVERT DEALS. They are getting INPUT
from regional leaders while they help formulate a plan that even the WH keeps demanding the Democrats produce.

How many times during the 2006 campaign did Bush demand the Democrats present THEIR plan for Iraq?
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:48 PM
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24. You've got to be kidding.
You think senators meeting with foreign dignitaries is "usurping foreign policy."

Please get back to me with all the treaties that Kerry signs and all the agreements he signs.

Where's the outrage for Specter, "O-6?" What are you in command of, the basement?

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 05:01 PM
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25. It IS usurping foreign policy.
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 05:02 PM by yibbehobba
Foreign policy, by and large, is within the purview of the executive, not the legislature. My personal feeling is that these actions set a dangerous precedent. However, the current circumstances are unprecedented. Never before has an American President so botched foreign policy. Our policy in Iraq is utterly broken, and Bush has made it clear that he's going to ignore any advice he doesn't like. What I *would* like to see is some expression from the parties involved that this is an extremely special case, and therefore they are going outside of the normal rules of international relations because there is no other choice. It should be made clear from the beginning that such actions are not appropriate under normal circumstances.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 05:30 PM
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29. During the 06 campaign, Bush kept pressuring Democrats to present an Iraq plan
and he pushed the presscorps to keep hounding the Dems on this question - so - they are obtaining INPUT and ideas from regional leaders about how to make a plan that works for the entire region.

Bush DEMANDED they do it - so they are.

BTW - Why was there no outrage for the two other times Kerry met with Assad and regional leaders? Because this time the ISG is backing Kerry's ideas over Bush, and the presscorps is finally noticing, hence the uproar.
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democrat_06 Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 05:19 PM
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26. Of course
Kerry is not signing treaties, that's the job of the President. It's the job of the Congress to ratify those treaties or not. This and funding are the only roles the Congress should be playing in foreign policy.

However in meeting with foreign leaders and going against current policies they are affecting foreign policy. It was wrong when the Republicans did it under Carter and Clinton and it's wrong now. Just because we don't agree with the current administration we have to follow the law. If we don't then we can't complain when the shoe is on the other foot and in '09 it will be. Do you really want to go down this road when very soon we will have the power over the three branches of government - it's coming.

I'm afraid that what we reap we will sow. And to the other comment posted, while I agree in part that something must be done, there is no such thing as doing it just this time - what you suggest is essentially a coup. Go down this road and there's no going back.

We can insist on impeachment hearings and hopefully the removal of office of all in the current regime or we can work doubly hard to elect Dems in '08.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:43 PM
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31. THANK YOU. Think long-term folks. Every 'right' you take for us you give to them. nt
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 05:19 PM
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27. Unlike when Hastert went to Colombia and Perle to Israel while Clinton was in office, eh?
And unlike ALL the covert dealings that BushSr. and his thugs were still advancing - that was a GREAT help to Clinton's legacy once historians put it all together at some point.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:21 PM
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15. Alan Specter a Repug is with a delegation in Syria also
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:23 PM
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18. Has she heard of 1776
What was that war about any how?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:29 PM
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21. Exactly. What, aren't they fighting for "our freedom?"
Does that mean we have to hand it over to them, as it is their gift to us in the first place?

Which means we aren't free, but only their slaves.

No one should be allowed in the military unless they don't want to fight a war except as a last resort, much like the way no one who really wants to be a police officer really should be one.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:24 PM
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19. Gee golly Fox is back to its old games
gee willies, how surprising?

I don't Rumsfeldian well, do I?
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 04:55 AM
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33. Having a Dead Child Doesn't Make You Smart
Personally, I find anyone willing to call themself a "Gold Star Mom" revolting - it's as though they've earned something by being the mother of child killed in combat. The dead soldier deserves any honors.
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