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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:34 PM
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Bush Says He Has More "Knowledge" Than Anyone Advising Him
Bush's reaction alarms Iraq panelist
President is still seeking advice on report, aides say
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | December 15, 2006

WASHINGTON -- Iraq Study Group member Leon E. Panetta believed that his panel's unanimous bipartisan recommendations about a new way forward in Iraq would give President Bush the political cover needed for a dramatic policy shift. So the former chief of staff to President Clinton has watched with alarm as Bush this week signaled that he may reject suggestions about diplomacy and withdrawing most US troops from Iraq by 2008.

Bush has even criticized the idea that the group was providing a "graceful exit" from the war -- which is what Panetta and other panel members figured Bush most wanted.

"I think he has been trapped by his own rhetoric," Panetta said in a telephone interview from his California office. Referring to a recent poll suggesting that 70 percent of those surveyed disapprove of Bush's handling of the war, Panetta said, "His ratings are so low now that he has got to do something to pull this country together."

But to those who know Bush best, the president's approach is not surprising. Bush's former chief of staff, Andrew H. Card Jr. , who was by Bush's side as he formulated many of his key decisions on the war, said Bush hears many opinions and thus believes that "his knowledge is more complete than anyone who is advising him."

more at:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/12/15/b...
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:35 PM
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1. A sick man .....
He has the least knowledge.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:55 PM
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14. ...with tens of millions of sick, fanatical, idolatrous zealots marching
to his drum's every beat.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 02:18 PM
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26. frightening
personality/soul warp
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 02:36 PM
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31. But... but... but... didn't he say he listens to the generals? ...
... And didn't he say he "hears the facts" from the "boots on the ground" and heeds their advice?

I thought he was a fully-informed, genius-level deesider!

I'm so, so confused...
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:47 PM
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40. He's very ill. We've all known all along that he's a sociopath
but with his disregard of this ISG report, we're seriusly in Nero territory.

I mean it.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 06:35 AM
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78. Yup.
My first thought precisely. SICK.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:36 PM
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2. Sure. He talks to Jesus while he's pretending to fight the dinosaurs on Noah's ark. nt
Tells him everything he needs to know.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:37 PM
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3. He is a delusional lunatic...n/t
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:38 PM
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4. Considering how stupid a lot of his advisors are,
he may be right. :scared:

But listen to Cheney or Rummy talk and wonder if maybe the Decider isn't in fact the brains of the whole operation.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:39 PM
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That's the scariest thing I've read this month ... GWB is the brains of this WH
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 02:03 PM
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18. yes, very scary for all.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:39 PM
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5. That is one of the most frightening things I've read in a long time.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:39 PM
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6. Omniscience....that's why God appointed him.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:50 PM
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12. I have NO doubt that is what the chimp believes! n/t
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:32 PM
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36. Except he doesn't listen to God
Even God doesn't have his "complete knowledge".
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:43 PM
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7. Bush is an idiot, among other things.
He needs to be locked up somewhere, not making decisions that affect every man, woman, and child in this country!
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RobofSWVA Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:47 PM
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8. was he actually able to say the word
Knowledge or does it have too many syllables?
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index555 Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:24 PM
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34. he's "no ledge a bull"
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 03:24 PM by index555
he has "noledgabullity"
sound like a bushism to me :P
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:47 PM
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9. Well then, let's hear the new thinking
straight away... no advisors, huh?

wow, that lets a lot of war criminals off the hook... it was all **, he directed the whole thing.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:48 PM
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10. As compartmentalized and fragmented as he's made the federal gov't
As compartmentalized and fragmented as he's made the federal gov't., I can actually believe that he (or actually Cheney, Rove & Pearle Co. llc.) may indeed have the only view to the larger picture.


It's that very premise that worries me even more-- that they are preventing lower level agencies from getting relevent information, forcing those agencies to rely on incomplete or even erroneous inforamtion leading to greater casualties and a continuation of the conflict past the neccesary point.
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index555 Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:29 PM
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35. since when has the fed not been fragmented?
Virtually every department in the federal govt. has long been known for NIH (not invented here) syndrome. no bureaucrat wants to let "someone else" get any credit for anything so they just pretend anything new doesn't exist , unless orders come down from the top.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:42 PM
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39. There was an almost absolute sense of cooperation
There was an almost absolute sense of cooperation between federal (and even state agencies) during WWII (Joseph Persico, 'Roosevelt's Secret War')

Prior to DHS, we could rest easy knowing that if there was a natural disaster, federal agencies would and could work together in oder to assist the victims.

I know quite a few people in various agencies in the fed. I'm just kinda repeating what I've heard from them. Admittedly, I'm no expert... I doubt any of us are.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:50 PM
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11. For God's sake, what is advising him...rocks and sticks?
The man is an idiot, the only "knowledge" he has is his affinity to screw up anything he goes near!
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:52 PM
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13. Let's cut Bush a little bit of slack here
Any day that he remembers to put on his pants before putting on his shoes, that's a pretty smart day for him.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:59 PM
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15. What do the voices in his head tell Mr. Bush?
wow, that is scary.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:59 PM
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16. jr also said he rejects info tha would lead to to losing!!---only his bubble
people carry any weight in the final decisions.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 02:01 PM
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17. How many times does he have to tell you that he is the "decider"?
Why don't you believe him?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 02:03 PM
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19. We saw the level of his knowledge in the foreign policy debate in 2004
His level of knowledge required a transmitter on his back.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 02:04 PM
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20. of course he does.
the woefully ignorant &/or stupid nearly always THINK they know it all.
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BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 02:05 PM
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21. I'll bet he can't spell "knowledge"
For the first time in my life, I am frightened for the future of this country. The man has the brain of a hamster and he is going to make the decision that may plunge us into World War III. God help us all.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 01:36 PM
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63. You're just now getting worried
I'm pretty used to this feeling by now. I just hope someone starts impeachment or coompetence proceedings soon. He is batshit crazy and too stupid to know it, to boot.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 02:06 PM
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22. Even then the people on the streets of Iraq?
I guess the Czar knows what is best for his people and all those other little people who live on this earth. Must be great to be so right.766 more days and I hate to wake up and see what this man has done to the world while I was a sleep. Has to be some thing wrong with us to have put into power, with the power this country has, such an un-feeling madman.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 02:10 PM
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23. The office of the presidency is a bad idea. Too much power in one man.
The whole concept needs to be re thought.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 09:56 PM
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49. I agree, or anyone who runs for office
has to have a psychological and psychiatric assessment to see if they are mentally fit to hold office.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 05:20 AM
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55. The problem is in getting a honest eval, we know that Cheny's medical
reports every year are bold face lies.
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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 12:05 AM
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52. I think we ought to have 3 co-Presidents, one representing each major political party....

You'd have your right-wing co-President, your left-wing co-President and of course the progressive party co-President.

And in important split decisions, the 2 would overrule the 1.

I think I'd like that arrangement.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 05:19 AM
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54. I like your idea. It would force the parties to get along and work together
You are right, it would have to be an odd number for tie breaking.
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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 05:09 AM
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74. Not a bad idea, is it?
It would be a real democracy.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 07:24 AM
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80. Actually I think your idea may become reality in 20-40 years...
You are ahead of your time, but it is going to have to happen.
We can never let one crazy man ruin the world.
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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 02:16 PM
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24. What a simple-minded and bassackwords view...
the man seriously thinks that because hears the views of many that that somehow increases his knowledge exponentially, but that all those people who's opinions he has heard are somehow living in a little box with no access to any other information than what they think of in their own minds. :wtf: :silly: As though he is some sort of grand sponge of knowledge and everyone else are just the little droplets of water that soak into the sponge.

The man is so completely delusional and incompetent and the most frightening thing is how he really believes himself to be some supreme entity with infinite wisdom. He believes that, even though millions upon millions of people are screaming about how wrong he is, in his mind they all just don't have the "KNOWLEDGE" and grand wisdom that he has, so therefore he should just do whatever he thinks. It's insane and utterly terrifying. :scared:
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 02:18 PM
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25. Diplomacy is weakness, wisdom is stupidity
And Bush knows all.

This guy should be in Abu Ghraib, hanging upside down on the wall.
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 02:20 PM
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27. Someone needs to explain to * that there is a difference between
knowledge and understanding.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 02:23 PM
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28. HAHAHAHA! Motard painted himself into a corner and can't get out!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Hey asshole, major military operations are over in Iraq right? Mission accomplished right?

George Bush - most pathetic leader in American history.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 02:28 PM
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29. whatever
"The president has a lonely obligation," Card said. "The obligation is to protect us." Card said

If this is his idea of protection then he can have it back. I never asked for his pathetic protection, especially against attacks that this admin knew were going to happen.

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pdrichards114 Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 02:34 PM
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30. Bush is the brains of the whitehouse, knows better than his advisors, he's the decider.
This country, Iraq, and Afhghanistan is now extremely fucked up. The blame is all his and it is ALL HIS FUCKING FAULT!!!!
ITMFA!!!!!
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 02:48 PM
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32. question: If bush has more knowledge than anyone who is advising him
then why does he need advisors?
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 02:51 PM
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33. More knowlege, less wisdom
More knowlege, sure - that's not the problem.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:36 PM
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37. Yeah - we noticed your boundless wisdom in the presidential DEBATES, George.
.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:39 PM
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38. That's the same thing Hitler thought!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:24 PM
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42. Yup. The Dominator Syndrome...he has to dominate/control/decide
He uses language of the Minutiae...to get us into a comaesque stage then accept his answers to the many problems facing the Nation...

Of the answers...he has only his own...which is intended to be unilateral and controling...

He is a psycho sick dude who was never to be President...but them GOPers thought he was the best in the barrel...little did they realize...Bush was at the Bottom...the Runt of the Litter, the Last rotten apple, the sickest worst dude ever ...and yet, the GOP went for the LINE hook line sinker...what does this say to the World...that we don't know how to pick um??? It sure enough shows we don't.....

Damnnnnn....
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:54 PM
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41. I am in total awe of Bush's Chimpness
He has risen to beyond the 9th level of Chimp Master and is becoming the paragon, the nonpareil, the epitome, the zenith, the living and flourishing quintessence and Dogen Zenji of all that is Chimp.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:30 PM
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45. Actually I don't think he has passed level one yet, he is no chimp master
He is the idiot chimp that just scratches his ass and flings poo all day.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 05:06 PM
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43. then what a pity he doesn't use any of it (n/t)
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TheCentepedeShoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:30 PM
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44. doodoodoodoo
doodoodoodoo...Welcome to the twilight zone.
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:43 PM
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46. Rather full of himself, isn't he? nt
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 09:31 PM
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47. Most presidents choose advisors...
..for their knowledge that he doesn't have. No one man or woman can have the combination of knowledge, wisdom and experience to run the government. Sane people know this. Then, there's the Chimp, who probably went into the presidency with the least amount of knowledge of anyone who took that office.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 09:46 PM
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48. he admits it, he hears the voices time for george
to be admitted to a nice well padded room.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 10:03 PM
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50. That's real nice of fucking panetta
to try and give bush a "cover"..but, of course, bush is the smartest monkey in the room and has no plans to take other monkeys' advice.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 10:27 PM
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51. "Bush says" ...
... 'nuff said.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 07:30 AM
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59. Except Bush *didn't* say this.

If you read the small print of the OP, it turns out that this isn't something Bush said, it's something his former chief of staff thinks. The title of the OP is wrong.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 12:09 AM
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53. He can't even spell knowledge.
:puke:
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Danascot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 05:47 AM
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56. Sounds to me like *'s already unified the country
70% and counting is about as close to unified as this country's going to get:

"Referring to a recent poll suggesting that 70 percent of those surveyed disapprove of Bush's handling of the war, Panetta said, "His ratings are so low now that he has got to do something to pull this country together."
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 06:50 AM
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57. How did such
a self absorbed fuckstick ever rise to a position of authority, especially POTUS? (Never mind, it's a rhetorical question)
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 07:28 AM
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58. Hang on, the title doesn't match the post - it doesn't say Bush said that.
Edited on Sat Dec-16-06 07:31 AM by Donald Ian Rankin
The title is "Bush says he believes he has better knowledge".

The thread actually says "Former Bush aid says Bush believes he has better knowledge"

That's a very different, and far weaker, claim.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 07:33 AM
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60. Guess that's why he's The Decider!
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 12:37 PM
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61. It's all out him...He's a spoiled, selfish brat....
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 12:44 PM
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62. What does that say about his "advisers"?
For the Chief halfwit to have more "knowledge" than they have would mean that his advisers are made up of mentally challenged radishes.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 01:38 PM
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64. He sounds more and more like a toddler every day.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 01:38 PM
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65. Can't someone get that fucktard to STFU?
Man, the sound of his voice, much less the deluded content, annoys me.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 01:39 PM
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66. What, is Bu*h taking advice from his own multiple personalities?
The voices in his head?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 01:40 PM
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67. What an ass
n/t
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 01:42 PM
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68. Bush has more knowledge than Tony Snow, MAYBE
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 01:42 PM
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69. "He's got to do something to pull this country together."
Edited on Sat Dec-16-06 01:43 PM by Marr
The country already *is* together. Most everybody hates him and his stupid fraud of a war.

A tiny clique of Beltway insiders being out of touch with the general public does not qualify as "national division".
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 01:43 PM
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70. "What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away"
Someone coined that apt phrase.
It wasn't Michael McDonald, I'm fairly sure of that, though he did use it.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 02:26 PM
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71. We're into self-parody land, here.
Unfuckinbelievable.

It's no wonder many of us are filled with despair when contemplating the future of the world.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 02:29 PM
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72. Nothing worse than someone who doesn't know what they don't know.
Edited on Sat Dec-16-06 02:30 PM by yellowcanine
Bush is th epitome of what I call aggressive ignorance - doesn't know and is determined not to know.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 03:00 PM
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73. He *hears* many opinions
But he does not listen to them.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 05:17 AM
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75. most of them are just the voices in his head anyway.
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WalcottNorfolk Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 06:17 AM
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76. Bush needs to be put in a straightjacket...
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 06:29 AM
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77. Our leaders are a bunch of know it all...who know very little about...
Reality! "Faulty Intelligence" at best!


The Problem with Bush and Cheney's "Faulty Intelligence" Defense

A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION
by Kristina Borjesson

Weighed down by the detritus of their war-selling campaign, including the Plame affair, President Bush and Vice President Cheney came out swinging against charges that they misused pre-war intelligence. The intelligence was faulty, not manipulated, they say. "While it is perfectly legitimate to criticize my decisions or the conduct of the war," the president declared, "it is irresponsible to re-write the history of how the war began."

Re-writing history may be wrong, but reviewing it is instructive. The record shows that Bush and Cheney's claims that they were duped by bad intelligence are disingenuous.
MORE...

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/11/con05445.ht...
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 07:06 AM
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79. And bush sure has proven to be right over & over again.
:lol:
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 07:27 AM
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81. That's not Knowledge, that's Cheney in the air duct... n/t
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