David Delp Arrested at Presidential State of the Union

[Pryderi]

What do you say when a freeper throws it in your face?


In the early days of the Senate's impeachment trial of President Bill Clinton in January 1999, a Pennsylvania man named Dave Delp was removed by the Capitol police from the Senate gallery for wearing a t-shirt that said, "Clinton doesn't inhale, he sucks."

A Pennsylvania school teacher was yanked out of a VIP Senate gallery and briefly detained last week during the impeachment trial for wearing a T-shirt with graphic language dissing President Clinton.

Dave Delp, 42, of Carlisle, Pa., and a friend had just settled into their seats when four Capitol security guards approached them. Delp said at the time that he was ordered to button his coat and follow the guards. Outside the chamber, he was told "several people felt threatened by your shirt."

Even after establishing that Delp was a guest of Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), the guards wouldn't let him back in and escorted him to a basement security area, where they questioned and photographed him.

After being given one of the photos as a souvenir, Delp said he was banned from the Capitol for the rest of the day. "They were polite and professional," Delp added, "but they really did scare me. I think I should have been given the chance to cover up."

[meisje]

1. Doh!

[elehhhhna]

2. You see no diff in a number versus "the Pres. sucks" ? hmmm

[baldguy]

3. Was he handcuffed, dragged out, beaten up & tossed in jail for 4 hrs?

I didn't think so.

[meisje]

8. typical DU over reaction

When was she beaten?

[Vinnie From Indy]

16. The minute you put a "W"astika on your car

Doh!

[AllieB]

17. Do you think a Gold Star mother should have been treated that way?

And if you're so critical of DUers, why do you feel the need to post?

[ET Awful]

27. Would you prefer "manhandled"?

Perhaps "beaten" was a poor choice of words. How about "physically abused"? Does that work for you? Maybe "handled roughly in a manner that caused bruising" works for you?

[Cooley Hurd]

29. By her own account, she was bruised...

One doesn't get bruised without being roughed up. _|_ :eyes:

[Lars39]

43. I see you're back at it again, spreading sunshine.

[jayfish]

71. OP Said "Beaten Up", Not Beaten. NT

Jay

[Freddie Stubbs]

Did Ms. Sheehan actually say that she was beaten?

:shrug:

[Cooley Hurd]

40. She was briused - do you think she did it to herself?

:shrug:

[Freddie Stubbs]

42. There is a difference between being bruised by handcuffs and

being beaten.

[Cooley Hurd]

45. No, a bruise is a bruise - it matters NOT whether it was caused by...

...handcuffs or by a nightstick.

Are you comfortable with the Capitol police HANDCUFFING a gold start mother for wearing a WAR MEMORIAL t-shirt to the SOTU? I'm not!:grr:

[Freddie Stubbs]

47. I know for a fact that most of the Capitol Police officers are Democrats

Again, I ask, did Ms. Sheehan ever say that she was beaten? If not, why did you need to post lies?

[Cooley Hurd]

48. No lie, Cindy said she was bruised:

What Really Happened ...a message from Cindy Sheehan

<snip>
I was never told that I couldn't wear that shirt into the Congress. I was never asked to take it off or zip my jacket back up. If I had been asked to do any of those things...I would have, and written about the suppression of my freedom of speech later. I was immediately, and roughly (I have the bruises and muscle spasms to prove it) hauled off and arrested for "unlawful conduct."
</snip>

So, you know that most of the Cap police are dems? Prove it - if not why do YOU need to post lies?:eyes:

[Freddie Stubbs]

60. She never said that she was beaten

So, where did she say that she was struck? you can't be beaten without being hit.

I did some pro bono work for the Fraternal Order of Police (the US Capitol Police's union) a few years ago. Most of the officers are African-Americans, and Democrats. A little over 1/2 of them reside in DC, and most of the rest live in MD. There are a few (but not many) who live in VA.

[Cooley Hurd]

69. Okay - I grab your arm and bruise it...

...because of that, I can be arrested for assault and/or battery. Do you disagree with this?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=assault

as·sault ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-sôlt)
n.
A violent physical or verbal attack.

She never used the word "beaten." HOWEVER, she was handled in such a way that caused her injury. Call it whatever you want - they STILL INJURED HER!

[Freddie Stubbs]

72. You said that she was beaten, not assaulted

When did she say that she was beaten? Assault is a stretch, as to prove it you have to prove intent. If an arrestee is uncooperative, it is standard procedure to use force to get them to comply.

[Cooley Hurd]

73. BY ALL ACCOUNTS, she left WITHOUT incident!

She didn't use the word "beaten" however she was injured by their handling of her.:eyes:

I gotta ask - why are you against a gold star mother wearing a t-shirt memorializing our fallen solders?:shrug:

[Freddie Stubbs]

74. Why do you keep putting words in other people's mouths?

Ms. Sheehan never said that she was beaten.

I never said that I was opposed to a gold star mother wearing a t-shirt memorializing our fallen solders.

[dogday]

4. The SOTU was the perfect place to remember the

exact amount of men who have died for Bush's policies. It was the absolute perfect time to remind everyone men are dying!!!!

[FearofFutility]

5. Doesn't sound like he was arrested

It says they questioned and photographed him. Also, it doesn't sound like he was roughed up as Cindy is saying she was.

[Spazito]

6. Nice try but very different

No arrest or charges here, oh, and could you please provide a link to this article please.

[Cooley Hurd]

7. Although the t-shirt messages were apples and oranges...

...one was a WAR MEMORIAL, the other was just a tacky and lame sentiment, he shouldn't have been removed from the gallery either, as long as he wasn't loud and disruptive.

[PassingFair]

9. Gotta link?

Might a be Dave "Parlock" Delp kinda thing.

[Dufaeth]

10. Can you hook us up with a source?

eom

[Pryderi]

11. Aren't both 1st Amendment issues?

[PassingFair]

12. Got a link?

Sounds kinda "Parlockian" if you ask me....

[Theres-a]

23. I tried a google search

All I could find was a freep reference from 2003,also without a link.Parlockian,indeed.

[seabeyond]

13. it isnt that she was escorted out. that is expected, and i am sure

she knew this would happen. if she didnt, i wonder. the bigger president would have left it alone. that isnt bush presidency and obviously clinton too. the saying was kinda cute, though that whole thing was a mess and stupid and abuse of repug and the constitution and made me vow never support a repug. i understand why that tshirt would be pulled more than a number. though the number is pretty obscene too. bush incompetence and lie. but..... regardless..... cindy being escorted out would be a given. arrrest is toooo far.

[fasttense]

14. No one complained about Cindy's shirt. The Bozo took it on himself

with a blanket statement about no protesting allowed. Not to mentioned she was roughed up and not given a souvenir photo. Little Davey was treated with kid gloves but Cindy was treated like a terrorist.

[jbnow]

15. There is a difference

between a shirt insulting the president and a shirt stating a fact and question.

If Cindy's shirt had even said "Bush's lies have killed 2,000+" Or that bush is an idiot or whatever opinion or insult to bush asking her to leave would be understandable.

But a shirt saying the number dead and asking how many more...is a fact about the war. It isn't a secret, it isn't an opinion.

I don't know if there is a legal difference, but there is an ethical difference.

I do understand their paranoia, that she'd do something to get attention during the speech and America would watch live as they dragged out a gold star mother. They took the less potentially easier way out.

[BlueEyedSon]

18. It was a trial, so it was not even under Clinton's authority that Delp was

removed.

OTOH, the SOTU is a totally Bushco venue.

[txindy]

19. "They were polite and professional,...."

And he wasn't arrested and led away from the Capitol in handcuffs. See how that works?

:eyes:

[tyedyeto]

20. Neither one should have been arrested or forced to leave

On edit:

After doing some googling, I could find nothing from any valid news source about this David Delp. Found only one link when I googled 'david delp clinton' and that was to Freeperville. Even then the story was from 2003 and not supported. Should I have been surprised? Freeps are not a valid news source.

I still stand by the principle that if the 1st event did happen, the person should not have been forced to leave as long as they were acting with 'decorum'.

[ET Awful]

21. So his shirt had graphic language, he wasn't arrested, his son wasn't

killed in a war, he was treated kindly, given a souveneir photo, not charged with any offense, not taken to a police station, and was, in fact, treated quite well.

Where is the similarity again?

BTW, is it the David Delp that was arrested for running an ATV theft ring last year? http://wowktv.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=7632

[Cooley Hurd]

33. *snarf!* I saw that (ATV theft) story too...

There's also a David Delp who is a musician. Perhaps it was him? :rofl:

[rpgamerd00d]

22. Here is your reply - read it carefully.

"Dear Freeper,

Dave Delp is a moron for not filing a Civil Lawsuit for the heinous violation of his Civil Rights. But I guess it is pretty hard to file lawsuit when the GOP "old-boy" network intervenes on his behalf and prevents him from being arrested and instead lowers the charges to a simple ban for 'the rest of the day'.

p.s. the photo 'souvenir' was technically a bribe. As in 'Here is a photo of you to make you happy so you don't sue us.'"

[Bridget Burke]

24. Google showed Freerepublic as the source for this story....

I refused to click on it.

Surely--you have a better source!

Edited to add: Now, I see your question. "What do you say when a freeper throws it in your face?" Well, I'd ask the Freeper to provide facts.

Besides, Cindy's t-shirt was not rude & crude.

[Wickerman]

32. I took the Karma hit and visited that link at that 1980's use-net

hell-hole.

It was a very vague reference and not that source. A more through Google search didn't find the article. I DID find a nice link about a David Delp who handles custom manure applications in Wisconsin.

[meganmonkey]

25. He wasn't arrested so it is different, but either way

I think if he was just sitting in his seat he should have been able to stay.

:shrug:

[Cooley Hurd]

26. I call bullshit!

I just googled "david delp" and "Clinton" and NOT ONE HIT was about this incident.:thumbsdown:

[ET Awful]

30. Yup, the only reference anywhere is a post on Free Republic.

Not one mention anywhere else.

Smells like bullshit to me.

[Theres-a]

44. That's all I could find,too.

[papau]

57. I agree - THERE IS NO RECORD OF THIS EVER HAPPENING!

:-)

Did the OP know that it was a lie?

[Bill McBlueState]

28. Who cares?

You freepers are always childishly saying "It happened under Clinton!" as though that somehow excuses what the Bush administration does.

I mean, is that supposed to be some kind of serious argument?

[rpgamerd00d]

31. ** FAKE STORY ALERT ** Dave Delp Story is Phony

No references to this anywhere except Freeperville.

Not even Snopes.

100% phony.

[robbedvoter]

34. WHERE DOES IT SAY "ARREST"? PHONY & INCOMPLETE

Thanks for "preparing us for freeper debate"
All the elements are here: the lies, the irrelevant, the Clinton gratuitous bashing.
But where is the ARREST of your protagonist?
Actually, where does it say anything? Link? (other that Free republic?)
Were you there? Are you him?

[Brotherjohn]

35. A) Prove it happened. B) Even if it did, it was wrong then, too. (nt)

[Spazito]

36. Hmmm, one could call this OP a 'hit and run' given

the poster has not responded nor provided a link as requested.

[Cooley Hurd]

38. I've alerted on the OP...

Fuck this bullshit!:thumbsdown:

[robbedvoter]

39. Yup. Alerted.

[berni_mccoy]

37. Delp's Message Was A Personal Attack. Cindy's was a Number

And it's that Number that points out Bush's OWN FAILURE.

Delp's shirt was an insult.
Cindy's shirt is a FACT.

Delp's shirt is full of hate.
Cindy's shirt is a FACT.

[SillyGoose]

41. Delp was not arrested. He was simply removed from the Chamber.

He was not handcuffed, "roughed up", charged with a crime and held in a jail cell for 4 hours. These are important distinctions between Delp's case versus Cindy's.

BTW, I would ask the person who threw this in your face to provide a source other than FreeRepublic.

[Spazito]

46. In your other post on the following thread, you do not mention

freepers at all, you simply say:

Pryderi (917 posts) Wed Feb-01-06 07:03 AM
Response to Original message
25. Clinton did the same thing.
In the early days of the Senate's impeachment trial of President Bill Clinton in January 1999, a Pennsylvania man named Dave Delp was removed by the Capitol police from the Senate gallery for wearing a t-shirt that said, "Clinton doesn't inhale, he sucks."

A Pennsylvania school teacher was yanked out of a VIP Senate gallery and briefly detained last week during the impeachment trial for wearing a T-shirt with graphic language dissing President Clinton.

Dave Delp, 42, of Carlisle, Pa., and a friend had just settled into their seats when four Capitol security guards approached them. Delp said at the time that he was ordered to button his coat and follow the guards. Outside the chamber, he was told "several people felt threatened by your shirt."

Even after establishing that Delp was a guest of Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), the guards wouldn't let him back in and escorted him to a basement security area, where they questioned and photographed him.

Link to the thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x292127#292438

Was your reference to freepers in this OP an 'afterthought'?

No link in that post either, gee, I wonder how come? Maybe you could enlighten us as to why that is.

[Pryderi]

61. You're awfully sensitive.

I posted it in the previous thread to get some information from other people. I created a separate thread in order to generate a better response. Replying in a middle of a discussion is often lost.

For example, I expect maybe only 1 or 2 responses to this post.

[rpgamerd00d]

62. 1

[rpgamerd00d]

63. 2

[rpgamerd00d]

64. 3

[Pryderi]

66. See, now you're skewing the numbers

You're only 1 person, but now others will wonder what's going on here and make a post.

[rpgamerd00d]

70. Chaos Theory in action. Great, aint it?

:rofl:

[mzteris]

49. This is a complete fabrication

Freepers, indeed.

[elehhhhna]

51. drudge picked up their fake story (surpise!)

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashts.htm

[DTinAZ]

65. and a Freeper is posting it all over the Usenet....

the same mouth-breather has posted it in:

alt.politics.democrats.d
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
alt.politics.bush

DT

[Pryderi]

50. Article Source:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashts.htm

[rpgamerd00d]

53. Ahh, thank you. I knew it was a Freeper lie. Good catch!

[Spazito]

54. ROFLMAO! Ummm, a CREDIBLE source would be appreciated

Drudge doesn't qualify, imo, and clicking on that pile of crap only earns the hatboy money which I will not provide.

[tyedyeto]

55. Not a link from the time when the incident occured

"FLASHBACK: Man Wearing Anti-Clinton T-Shirt Removed from Senate Gallery at Impeachment Trial
Wed Feb 01 2006 08:47:08 ET"

This article was written today.

[Cooley Hurd]

56. ummmmkay... No attribution from Drudge, either...

Talk about pulling things outta your ass...:eyes:

A simple Google search finds NOTHING ABOUT THIS INCIDENT. NADA. ZILCH.

[txindy]

68. Now there's an unimpeachable source.

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:

Type fast. :popcorn:

[FreedomAngel82]

52. Sheehan had NOTHING offensive or attacking to Bush

Just the number of dead and "how many more?" No personal attacks or anything.

[DTinAZ]

58. More evidence of the bogosity of this fable...

I went to the Carlisle PA school district website and the only "Delp" working for them is a "Milisa" who slings hash in a middle school cafeteria. However, I did find one reference to a "Dave Delp" in Carlisle, in a story about a September, 2004 commemoration of 9/11:

http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2004/09/12/news/news01.txt

He's not in the Carlisle listings in any online phone book, but there are various "David Delps" here and there in PA. No way to know if any of them might be the "Dave" from the Freeper story.

DT

[pitohui]

59. was he arrested, fingerprinted, and jailed?

if not, it ain't the same, now is it?

why is santorum's guest treated more respectfully than another's guest, even tho santorum's guest wore a rude t-shirt -- "sucks" which refers to cocksucking used to be considered outside the bounds of polite language, i think "dead" is still perfectly polite angl-saxon

so yeah there's a difference

if dude had been at least ticketed for the profanity and some illusion of fairness, twould be nice

[Midlodemocrat]

67. Removing her violated the rules of the Capitol Police.

From another thread:



"Believing that the Capitol Police needed guidance in determining what behavior constitutes a demonstration,” the United States Capitol Police Board issued a regulation that interprets “demonstration activity” to include: parading, picketing, speechmaking, holding vigils, sit-ins, or other expressive conduct that conveys a message supporting or opposing a point of view or has the intent, effect or propensity to attract a crowd of onlookers, but does not include merely wearing Tee shirts, buttons or other similar articles of apparel that convey a message.”

http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/97-1337c.pdf

[Name removed]

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[maddezmom]

76. locking

Drudge is not a reliable source when it comes to anything Clinton related. Please feel free to repost if you find a reputable source.