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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:47 AM
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Barack Obama smokes???
How dare he foist his smoke laden exhale upon society?

Or be such a terrible role model for our children?

How could this man ever be president, he must be stupid if he smokes.






:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:48 AM
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1. Buhwawa! Get it out there...it can only help later.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:49 AM
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2. You're right--smoking is stupid...
I smoked for 20 years and always felt stupid when lighting up.
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:50 AM
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3. Oh God, he smokes..........
.......terrible, terrible person. Unfit for office of any kind. Should be run out of the House on a rail. I want my president to adhere to the good, old fashioned American values like snorting Cocain and driving drunk, dammit. But a smoker? NO WAY!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 11:38 AM
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112. but we have a total nutcase in the WH, and people are worried
that Obama smokes, it just doesn't make sense, where is the outrage for this idiot who is still sitting in the WH, knocking back several.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:52 AM
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4. I wonder how many senators smoke.
He can't be the only one...
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:09 AM
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5. But he doesn't inhale...........
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:16 PM
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61. No, that was Bill Clinton that doesn't inhale....and
it wasn't tobacco.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:12 AM
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6. and I heard he breast feeds his children at Olive Garden
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:14 AM
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7. Pickles is a smoking fiend..............
multi-pack. I think he might want to give them up, mostly for health reasons. I am now smoke free as of yesterday 11 months. I used the laser method to help me.
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:26 AM
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9. Laser method?
What's that?
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:28 AM
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10. I'm curious also.
I am a smoker and I sure would like to find an effective way to quit without climbing the walls.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 09:02 AM
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40. Once you find your quitting method, Q-tips can help ...
... when I finally quit for good, cold turkey, after three tries (I'm smoke-free 20 years, and don't EVER wish for a coffin nail), I kept Q-tips in my office desk drawer and on the coffee table where my ashtray used to be.

Whenever I had that craving to drag on a filter, I stuck a Q-tip in my mouth, and inhaled through THAT (and, of course, held the Q-tip like a cig, to complete the obsessive-complusive gesture).

I didn't use any sort of patch or gum, so I did climb the walls for a while (and then there's the weight gain), but quitting was the best thing I ever did for myself.

Thank God for Q-tips!!
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 12:19 AM
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67. To answer you all.............
http://stopsmokingnow.com /

You used Q-tips, I used coffee stirrers I removed all the ash tray and when I went for a cigarette outo f habit thats what I got. I now from time to time chew on tooth picks.

The above will explain how the cold laser works. I recently had physical therapy for tear in my knee and they used cold laser therapy. I was a smoker since I was 15 now 50 and now it is 11 months since my last smoke. The first few days I kept drinking water at the urge and finally there was none. I stayed home for a few weeks from friends who smoked and then I had no problem. I watch them smoke now. I gained weight too but the Dr. says its better than smoking.
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 07:21 AM
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81. Thank You! nt
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 01:39 AM
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69. My father did laser, as well...
I believe it cost about two hundred dollars for them to laser your ears and nose. He hasn't smoked since, and it's been seven months for him.

I quit using Nicorette, and in March, it will be two years. Yeah!

As for Obama... smoking is still legal, so whatever..... He should quit, of course... but it doesn't make a difference to how I would vote if he is a smoker or not. It's silly to even care about this.
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:49 AM
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11. Quit smoking now, Mr. Bond...
Or zap!



I think this method might work for me if I still smoked. :)
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:10 AM
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19. Hi!
Welcome to DU! :hi:
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:10 PM
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58. Thanks!
eom
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:52 AM
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12. about $400.00
nt
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:30 PM
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64. Substitute a laser for a cigarette.
Good luck getting it lit! :)

- as
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 01:41 AM
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70. Count the times you will EVER see Barack Obama smoking
never going to happen, oh maybe a cigar on his election day!!
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:22 PM
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62. you can tell pickles is a smoke fiend
she has those ugly vertical wrinkles above her lip from puckering up. Every time she talks you can see those deep grooves. That reason besides your health of course is why I personally would not smoke. It ages woman before their time.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:15 AM
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8. Smoking increases global warming!
....so, it only stands to reason that non-smokers are responsible for the current global warming crisis. Why? Because we didn't have a global warming crisis until you made us smokers go outside to smoke! Now look what you have done! Enjoy the heat!
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:52 AM
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13. they say he's extremely hot.
smokin' :-)
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Tim4319 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:54 AM
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14. I'll raise your sarcasm one.
A man who smokes should never be president. Sniffing coke on the other hand, will grant you two terms!
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:54 AM
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15.  Smoking killed both of my parents
I personally don't think it's anything to joke about.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 04:31 AM
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79. No, it shouldn't be a joke
My mothers 7 brothers and sisters, and most of their children, all died of some smoking related aliment.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 11:53 AM
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82.  So sorry n/t
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:57 AM
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16. AND he has the same name as Saddam Hussein!!!
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:00 AM
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17. I swear they use the smoking as an excuse for why he shouldn't be prez...
...when personally I think some of those people are more concerned about something else about Obama that stands out from the other 99 people serving in the Senate.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:04 AM
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18. I Support Obama
But I am surprised and a bit disappointed that someone as intelligent as him could smoke.

But then I shouldn't be surprised because if you go outside nursing homes and hospitals you will see many nurses stealing a smoke.

It is relaxing and liberating despite the obvious health hazards...
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:18 AM
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23. I'm with you: surpised that someone so sharp and, well, "hygenic" is a smoker...
...almost every actual smoker I've ever known was at least a bit of a dirtbag (or nothing like the James Bond type of glamourpuss that smoking companies portray in their ads, anyway).
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:36 AM
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30. Wow. Just wow.
I continue to be more and more amazed and dismayed at the things I read on DU these days. I'm hoping that there was some kind of sarcasm or irony intended in that post. And I know plenty non-smokers who are "dirtbags".
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:38 AM
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31. Hmm dirtbags, eh. Being a dirtbag sounds cool
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 12:26 PM
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83. Yep, it does. -nt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:40 AM
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32. it is all about being as offensive and mean as this poster can be
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 08:41 AM by seabeyond
yet then has the audacity to pass judgment on another. a true example of the kind of person he/she is. has nothing to do with a smoker. everything to do with an ugliness of this poster. i just shake my head at these "kind" of people
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 11:37 AM
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55. Newsflash: FDR was a "dirtbag" (per 'enlightened' Dems)
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 11:38 AM by TahitiNut
I have to wonder how anyone ever gets the idea that their own self-esteem is enhanced by dehumanizing others.
:eyes:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:48 AM
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36. How Many Of You Known, 2?
:rofl:

Couldn't be many more than that if your statement had any legitimacy.

Egads, talk about living in a bubble. Sheesh.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:49 AM
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37. You have got to be fucking kidding me...
Every smoker you've ever known has been a dirtbag... I guess it really does take one to know one..
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:51 AM
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I'm a smoker and hardly consider myself a "dirtbag."
It's interesting to know what some self-righteous non-smokers think of smokers.
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 09:24 AM
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43. Well, everyone thinks they're the exception and that they single-handedly trump the majority...
...mention something like smoking or SUVs or anything like that in a place like this and there will always be a flurry of "well I'm a smoker/an SUV driver and I'm not that way so none of the others are like that, either."

I was a smoker for about seven or eight years and I remember well the stink of smoke lingering in my clothes all day, the nicotine burned fingers, the dingy and discolored teeth (where I had always had white teeth before I took up the habit), and I was just a pack a day smoker...the heavier smokers I knew then and still know now were and/or are even worse. If you don't see that in yourself, well, remember that the stinky kid in school (I'm sure you had one) didn't know he stank, either.

It took quite a while for the orange burns on my fingers to go away once I quit, and even longer for my teeth to come back to the right shade. It's a person's choice if they want to be that way, but what I said was it's surprising to hear Barack Obama's name in connection with this because he seems bright-eyed, bushy-tailed and freshly scrubbed...which if you're honest you'll admit is not really the usual smoker's temperament/look. He's probably only some half pack or "social" smoker, anyway.

"Self-righteousness" has nothing to do with this and you might be throwing that in to make yourself feel better. I really don't care about what smokers do to themselves so long as they don't make everyone else have to partake in it. The unfortunate thing is, they often do. For example, I'm a New Yorker who rides the subway every day. These subway trains let us out underground and we walk up flights of stairs to get back out. These are narrow, enclosed, confined spaces, and there are very often smokers who don't even have the decency to wait until they get out into the street before they light up. So, everyone behind them has to breathe that in while we all slowly walk up the crowded flight of stairs. When someone is jonesing so bad that they don't even have the manners to wait an extra minute until they get out into the open street to light up and thus not bother the people around them quite as much with something that should only impact on their own health and hygiene, that's true addiction...and a true lack of consideration.

Anyway, it doesn't make me any more or less likely to vote for Obama. Good day to you.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 09:58 AM
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47. "...the usual smoker's temperament/look."
That's right, keep digging. Lots of smokers don't have the "usual smoker's temperament/look", whatever the hell that is and Obama is apparently a case in point. Some say that ex-smokers are the worse when in comes to being self-righteous and I've come to believe that that is quite true. There's are all kinds of obnoxious behavior in the world, including the kind described by the smokers in your post.

And then there's you. If you want to say that most smokers smell like smoke and don't realize it, that's one thing. It's quite another to refer to them as dirtbags.
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 10:38 AM
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50. Oh, please...
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 10:42 AM by Crankie Avalon
..."that's right, keep digging."

What a shame since here I am trying to tailor my opinion to please the Great-and-Wonderful-You, as no doubt everyone else in the world should be, as well. Your FOXey "some say" statement is adorable, but again, I don't care enough about you to get "self-righteous" over you.

I saw a thread about Obama, replied in agreement with someone else (frankly, since the day is too short I wouldn't normally go to the trouble of posting an objection to an opinion someone else posted that I found questionable, except maybe if it was obviously a freeper), and now I've got some thin-skinned and apparently eager-to-fight type trying to prolong something pointless and tiresome when there are so many more interesting stories to look at on here, instead.

And yeah, I originally used "dirtbag" (in fact, qualified it as "at least a bit of a dirtbag") as a shorthand so I wouldn't have to type out all of "smoky clothes, nicotine burned fingers, and discolored teeth." So what? Thanks for making me take the long way around to get to the same point.

P.S. I would define the more common "smoker's temperament" as someone not quite as uptight or perky as the goody twoshoes type, which I think Obama at least tried to project if he is not actually is. And the look is easy enough. You can see from the fingers, teeth, and clothing smell. Back when I was an active smoker, homeless strangers would come up to me to bum cigarettes all the time, and I wasn't in the act when they did...they could just tell I was a smoker. Now all they ask for is money.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 10:52 AM
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51. thin-skinned and eager to fight?
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 10:56 AM by skypilot
Yeah, I guess anyone who takes offense at being described as a dirtbag must be thin-skinned. :eyes:

Your little "qualifier" ("at least a bit of a...")is also adorable. And some people DO say that ex-smokers are the worse. Sorry if that sounds FOXey but it also happens to be the truth. And if describing people as dirtbags was simply a matter of using "shorthand", it still came off badly. Very badly. I'm sure you noticed that I wasn't the only "thin-skinned" person who took offense to it. And even though you don't care enough to get self-righteous you are still doing one heck of a job.
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 11:03 AM
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52. I didn't even bother responding to the others...
...I responded to the very last because that person seemed the least belligerent and then you jumped in to respond to that.

You think your opinion "happens to be the truth" but it's only that, an opinion. You don't know the people I know so you can't say whether I'm right about them (which is what my original messsage was based on, after all), and I don't know the ex-smokers you know so I can't say whether you're right about that, even if I wanted to (and I don't care enough to want to).

Anyway, the two longest posts I've made all day have been on this thread and I don't care to add a third essay. Take care.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 11:06 AM
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53. Bye.
*
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 01:54 AM
Response to Reply #50
73. Wow
"(frankly, since the day is too short I wouldn't normally go to the trouble of posting an objection to an opinion someone else posted that I found questionable, except maybe if it was obviously a freeper"

Throwing out the "Freeper" canard now?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:03 AM
Response to Reply #47
113. 'And then there's you.'
:)
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 01:53 AM
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72. I don't know what subways you are taking, Crankie,
but I'm a fellow NYer (and an ex smoker), and I've never noticed the smoking in the subway stairwells. But, then again, I also don't call smokers dirtbags. What a load of self-righteous garbage.

Call them damaging themselves and polluting the public air if you must, but calling them dirtbags speaks of their persona. (Not their hygeine, as you seem to insist.) You are not only insulting their habit, but you are insulting who they are. Maybe you don't think so or you don't care, and if you don't care, then neither do I. The real "dirtbags" are those who show no care for the feelings of those around them. Most smokers I know are caring enough to go outside or away from others to partake in their habit. Unfortunately, some people don't do the same with their chosen bad habits (speaking ill of others). I'd be much more comfortable if you took that type of judgement outside so that I didn't have to wallow in the stink of it.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 11:26 AM
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54. I bet you know all you need to know about someone from the color of their skin

as well, or all you need to know from their sexual orientation, or because they are NASCAR or opera fans. Good for you, I bet that helps to keep life simple.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #23
59. dirtbag?
:wow:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #23
63. Wow.. I guess non-smokers are all finicky Nellie's with cobs up
their asses, then.


But, seriously, I smoked until I was pregnant and I hardly qualify as a dirtbag. Just ask my husband who calls me pathological when it comes to cleanliness.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 01:45 AM
Response to Reply #23
71. Every smoker you know is a dirtbag>
Please? I would encourage anyone to quit, but that's absolutely ridiculous, and quite rude as well. There are many smokers here on DU, and I doubt that any of them are dirtbags. (Including myself, two years ago.) :eyes:
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Mugu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 02:00 AM
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75. I normally wait until after dinner on Friday to go visit my dad
(he has dementia and resides in a assisted living home) because there is less traffic, but today I changed the oil in the car and felt the need to go see him before dinner.

This time he knew me when he saw me (he never forgot my voice) and we put his coat on and went outside to enjoy a walk and a smoke. I lit our cigarettes, and we started to walk around the building. We were having great fun talking about the wonderful weather (50 degrees in December in Northern Illinois) and what a great day it was to be alive.

He suddenly started to complain about a sharp pain in his hip (about the top of his right rear jean pocket.) At first I didn't worry too much, I mean it was a pain in his ass after all. We went to the on-duty nurse and she looked for obvious problems and when she didn't find any, gave him some over-the-counter pain relievers. When the pills didn't help I decided to take him to the hospital just down the block.

To make a long story short he died in the waiting room at the hospital. It was quite shocking for everybody. The nurses and I only thought that he had a sore butt. The other patients thought that their problems was more important than a sore ass. But in less than 15 seconds he proved us all wrong.

I've drank enough to sleep for a while, and then I have to arrange his funeral. I just can't even believe that a pain in his butt could be fatal. Be thankful for every second with your loved ones because there are no guarantees about tomorrow.

You picked a rotten day to be an ass.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 05:06 AM
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80. OMG. I Am So Sorry For Your Loss.
Edited on Sat Dec-16-06 05:07 AM by Binka
I just burst into tears reading your post my friend. :hug: I lost my closest sister unexpectedly in July and I'm still hurting big time. :hug:

Some people pick every day to be an ass. Sorry again.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #75
90. So sorry for your loss
:hug:
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #23
104. But I can quit smoking
Edited on Sun Dec-17-06 10:54 AM by BlackVelvet04
you being an asshole is forever.

Go figure.
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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #104
115. bwahahah! reminds me of an exchange...
between a couple I know a while back.

He was ragging on her about quitting smoking as well. and she said, Yes, sure I can quit, but you'll be short the rest of your life.

lol.
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:43 AM
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34. I'm intelligent and smoke.....nicotine f*cking sucks!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 07:43 PM
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85. You got that right. nt
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 11:11 AM
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109. .
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L A Woman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 10:00 AM
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98. You'd be more intelligent if you quit.
"Nicotine sucks" is no excuse. I smoked for 18 years and quit. It's not that hard if you are a strong person.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 12:02 PM
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108. that's the problem. Weak people
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 09:06 AM
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41. Because only dumb people smoke.


:eyes:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 04:19 AM
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77. That's A Non-Sequitur
Edited on Sat Dec-16-06 04:56 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
Let me preface my remarks by saying I support Barack Obama and and am reading his book now. I also bought it for my neighbor for Christmas. Now that I got that out of the way...


I said I'm surprised and disappointed that someone as intelligent as Barack Obama smokes. Your response was to give me a picture of President Bu$h who presumably doesn't smoke.





intelligent
adj 1: having the capacity for thought and reason especially to a
high degree; "is there intelligent life in the
universe?"; "an intelligent question"
2: possessing sound knowledge; "well-informed readers"
3: exercising or showing good judgment; "healthy scepticism";
"a healthy fear of rattlesnakes"; "the healthy attitude of
French laws"; "healthy relations between labor and
management"; "an intelligent solution"; "a sound approach
to the problem";"sound advice"; "no reasonable explanation
for his decision"
4: endowed with the capacity to reason









I don't see your point.... You could have just as easier given me a picture of Homer Simpson or the patriachal figure from "Married With Children" whose name escapes me. They don't smoke. Or Trent "Fucking" Lott

There is abundant evidence that smoking creates health problems for yourself and the others around you. I am sad and disappointed that someone as intelligent as Barack Obama smokes and wishes he would stop. I also wish that all smokers stop.



Game

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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 08:14 PM
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86. Then let me explain:
You said you were surprised someone as smart as Obama smokes. I put up Dubya's picture because he's a health nut who doesn't smoke, and he's, as you know, quite stupid.

I didn't put up Al Bundy's (Married with Children) pic or Homer Simpson's pic for two reasons -- they're FICTIONAL characters. And who has done more damage -- Trent Lott or the Chimp himself?

Every smoker knows it's bad for you. Guess what? Lots of things are bad for you. Would you have the same reaction if Obama drank? Or is smoking the only unacceptable vice nowadays?

And by your logic, FDR wasn't too bright, either:

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 11:00 AM
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106. You Should Quit While You're Behind
The negative health effects of smoking were not widely known or known at all during FDR's era.


Part of being intelligent is exhibiting sound judgment. Smoking doesn't exhibit sound judgment imho nor in the minds of almost the entire medical and scientific community.


I also said I support Obama and think he's great and that I can see how people enjoy smoking for its liberating and relaxing effects.


In the scheme of thing it's a small vice or peccadillo but I remained surprised.

That's all.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 11:47 AM
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107. Oh, please.
Even in FDR's day, the health effects of smoking should have been obvious, particularly to the smoker himself.

Eating fast food and drinking alcohol doesn't exhibit sound judgment in the medical community either, but people continue to harp on smoking for some reason.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 04:20 AM
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78. Why Didn't You Give Me A Picture Of Dick Cheney
Edited on Sat Dec-16-06 04:24 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
He smoked five packs of cigarettes a day and had his first heart attack when he was 39.

Doesn't fit you feeble attempt at a thesis.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #78
87. Because Cheney is not stupid.
He's evil. There's a difference.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:15 AM
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20. Yes indeed what a wondeful role model for the children
Keep trying to justify your behavior it will make you feel better even though you know the truth..
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:18 AM
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24. Would You Apply That Prohibition To Alchohol And Marijuana
Weed and booze are relatively harmless in moderation but not totally harmless....

Does that mean that someone who occasionally smokes marijuana or consumes alchohol is a bad leader.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:52 AM
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39. I was replying to the poster's suggestion
If a person wishes to smoke that is their decision. I have no problem with that. If they smoke in public I have a problem with it...It seems to me most smokers are deliberately obtuse on this matter. I don't know anyone that wants to make them quit smoking only to quit smoking in public and they refuse to "get it".
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:26 AM
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26. Didn't know "role model for the children" was in his job description
Wow.

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L A Woman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 10:04 AM
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100. HUH?
You don't think a Senator or the President should be a role model???

Oh...that's right. It's the rappers and basketball players our children should be modeling themselves after... :eyes:
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:29 AM
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28. I'm a major anti-smoker and I'd still vote for Obama
Not like he's out there publically puffing on a ciggie while doing speeches and campaign visits. This is nothing more than the media trying to vilify someone who has the potential to win the presidency (note - I have not decided who I'm supporting in 2008, personally I'd like to see him as VP first).

As someone who not only is an avowed anti-smoker but who also lost her father when I was just 14 (and he was around the age that Obama is now), I would hope that he quits for the sake of his children.

But as for him not being a good role-model, well hell compared to the repukes running this country....
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:16 AM
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21. shoot him. the horrors. eeeek n/t
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:17 AM
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22. FDR and JFK smoked too, so he's in good company :)
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:20 AM
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25. That Was Before The Health Hazards Were Well Known Or Commonly Accepted
I'm supporting him but am a bit disappointed and surprised.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:28 AM
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27. hopefully someone can convince him to quit
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 09:32 AM
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46. or he could be thought of and treated as a free human being n/t
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:29 AM
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29. * smokes cigars
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:40 AM
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33. Frankly, it IS pretty self-damaging. But they're his lungs.
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 08:41 AM by WinkyDink
If he gets cancer in'em, that's on him.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:44 AM
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35. Don't make him quit, he might get fat like Al Gore, then we're screwn!
;-)
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 09:11 AM
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42. lmao
cough hack "screwn". lol
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:51 AM
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38. he is a drug addict. a junkie. oh well, he's pretty on tv. that's what counts nt
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 09:28 AM
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44. 45 replies to this topic
1111 view. Looks like the GOPropaganda is being catapulted.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 09:31 AM
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45. My Concern Is Purely Selfish
He is, whether some people here like it or not, a rising star in the Party and seems to be fairly popular with 'swing' voters.

As things stand now, at a minimum he is probably the VP designate. Being relatively young, he would then be positioned for a very strong run in 2012 or 2016.

That said, the fact that he smokes changes his status IMHO from relatively young to not so young. He is, what, 46, around the age that smoking seems to make the first cull of those genetically susceptible. Then again, my Grandfather rolled his Velvet and lived into his 80's, but he was a farmer.

Unlike some here, I believe that we do not need the candidate with the best ideological resume, but the candidate who reasonably supports your values and has the best chance of winning (FDR, JFK, etc.).

The last six years should underscore the need to win. I want him around for the next couple of decades.
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EdwardM Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 10:00 AM
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48. As long as he don't smoke when I'm around.
I really don't care.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 10:21 AM
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49. As long as he doesn't light up in my house..
I really don't care. He's welcome to smoke on the patio though. I'll even provide a comfy chair and an ashtray.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 11:46 AM
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57. I'm fine with that too!
Though I think the chances that he'll visit my home are fairly remote anyway!
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 11:43 AM
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56. Agreed
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 05:24 PM
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60. It's his business. Period. n/t
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:27 PM
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65. Thank you! He is human!
(no, I don't smoke, but so many here saw him walking on water...)
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:29 PM
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66. Well... at least he doesn't own a pit bull....
:sarcasm:

MZr7
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 01:36 AM
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68. Oh my GOD! Cruicify Him
(That was sarcasm.)
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Lipton64 Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 01:58 AM
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74. I didn't even know he did smoke.....
it doesn't bother me so as long as he doesn't turn out to be a nutjob. I won't vote for him though yet because he doesn't have enough experience. The man needs more time in federal government before I trust him with the presidency. Being politically inexperienced like Obama sadly is usually means relying on advisers(like Dubya) and that can often lead to being to close to certain special interests who have the ear of said advisers.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 02:16 AM
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76. Shows either poor judgement or lack of willpower...
but maybe he has positive qualities which balance that out.

Sid
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MOB Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 12:31 PM
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84. Also, Pot and maybe even blow
You can call this a conspiracy theory, I just call this being informed
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 09:17 AM
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96. Sources please. -nt
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MOB Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 10:02 AM
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99. In Obama's AutoBio, Also H. Fineman and C. Page
Edited on Sun Dec-17-06 10:03 AM by MOB
http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_4848123

Howard Fineman alluded to rumors that Obama "might have used blow" on the Chris Matthews Show some time back. Fineman, of course, follows Obama for MSNBC

Obama's candor is worth admission to '08 presidential race
By Clarence Page
Tribune Media Services

Article Last Updated:12/15/2006 06:08:53 PM MST


WASHINGTON -

We know from his autobiography Dreams from My Father, that he tried marijuana and cocaine in his wayward youth, a refreshingly straightforward and revealing contrast to President Bush, who dodged probing drug questions as a candidate, and President Bill Clinton, who claimed never to have inhaled.

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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 08:27 PM
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88. Self-deleted
Edited on Sat Dec-16-06 08:37 PM by Raine
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lse7581011 Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 08:30 PM
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89. Oh Puhleeze! n/t
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 08:37 PM
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92. If you notice
I deleted that because of I thought better of it but you to quick. x(
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #88
91. No worse than it looks when smug self-righteous
people condemn someone for the henious crime of smoking.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 08:41 PM
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94. Geesh
I deleted the damn post and people still keep responding. :shrug:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:08 PM
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114. :0
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 08:40 PM
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93. Let's sling barbs and arrows at the stupid bastard!!!!!
String his ass up so our children can understand the freedom of the land in which we live!
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 10:13 PM
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95. What moral prigs we are turning out to be in this country
Jeez, who can be President? Nobody except the pure virtuous virgins whose only vice is the willingness to kill people to keep the military industrial complex in business.

I'd rather have a smoker than a non-smoking liar.

Yeah, chimpy is pure of all vices. Except the ones that matter, like honesty and not killing people to gain power.

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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 09:55 AM
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97. Hot damn, if that's all they have on him, they must be scared. n/t

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L A Woman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 10:16 AM
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101. ...and how do we know he smokes???
I have only read about it on this board - I've never seen or heard it anywhere else.

But, if true....I love the guy, but it WOULD lessen my respect for him. It shows mental weakness. These aren't the days of FDR, when everyone smoked and most people didn't really know how bad it was and it is now VERY common knowledge, to say the least.

Honestly, if you can't or won't quit smoking for your family and your health...that says a lot about you.

I hardly know ANYONE who smokes, anymore. It's so rare here in L.A. and really considered to be an activity for uneducated, lower class people.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 10:28 AM
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102. WTF, this reply has really gotten my ire up.
who the fuck do you think you are??
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MOB Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 10:32 AM
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103. Probably his autobiography....
In which he also admits that he smoked pot and crack - see above
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 11:33 AM
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110. while 9 out of 10 CONS either lust after/molest little boys
cheat on their spouses, their taxes, u.s.w. (und so weiter). So he inhaled, big woop. And at least he has the balls to admit it, unlike the Eight BALL Prez.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 10:54 AM
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105. "It shows mental weakness, an activity for uneducated, lower class people."
Well, smell you! :)
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L A Woman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:49 PM
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116. you'll notice if you read the post...
i didn't say it was MY opinion. it is generally the way people here think. I am sitting, at this very moment, in Calabasas, California, the first city in the nation to outlaw smoking OUTSIDE. Smokers are generally looked down upon here in much the same way that you might look down upon someone who poops on the sidewalk.

(although the mental weakness comment was my own! If you can't quit smoking, should you be leading the United States of America???)

at least Obama doesn't defend the behavior...

Im struggling with those. Ive quit before. Its one of those habits that creep up when youre stressed and you have to shake it off. Its not something Im proud of.



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Suziq Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #101
111. Obviously I am a Smarter Person . . .
and from a better class of people than you are with your lame post.

:smoke:
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:35 PM
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117. I'm going to lock this.
Sorry, but we've had enough threads about smoking for today.

best,
wakemeupwhenitsover
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