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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 05:59 AM
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Mormon leader must stand trial on 2 felony rape counts
Warren S. Jeffs, the fundamentalist Mormon polygamist leader, was ordered by a Utah state judge in St. George to stand trial on two felony counts of rape as an accomplice. The judge, James L. Shumate of District Court, found probable cause to order Mr. Jeffs to stand trial on the charges, which carry a penalty of up to life in prison. Mr. Jeffs, 51, is accused of performing a spiritual marriage of a 14-year-old girl to her 19-year-old first cousin in 2001. The girl testified that she told Mr. Jeffs that she did not want to be married to her cousin and did not want to engage in husband-wife relations but that Mr. Jeffs repeatedly directed that she do so because he said it was ordered by God.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/15/us/15brfs-UTAH.html
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:08 AM
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1. Too bad God didn't tell Jeffs to castrate himself
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:29 AM
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2. Here's to hoping there are more accusers in the wings.
Say another 10 or 20, enough to keep this monster in a box for long, long time.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:21 AM
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3. Mittens did WHAT?
n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 12:42 PM
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4. I was thinking, good luck with that nomination, mitty. nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 12:52 PM
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:53 PM
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6. bigot much?
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:57 PM
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10. Because I say he is a Morman I am a bigot
I did not say all Mormans are that way, I said my slum lord who happens to be a Morman is an ass... If you can show me where I say all Mormans are, then I will say yes I am a bigot.. Otherwise you are wasting your time replying to a post that was not a stereotype, don't try to make it one....
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:05 PM
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13. What does your landlord have to do with this story?
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 04:05 PM by MonkeyFunk
Other than he's the same religion as the guy in the story (and not even that, really. Jeffs isn't a Mormon as usually defined (and note the spelling). He's part of an offshoot sect.

It's a total non-sequitor, unless you want to point out what scum mormons are.

You honestly don't see that? Your landlord story is entirely irrelevant to any discussion of Warren Jeffs.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:07 PM
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14. No cause I have landlord issues big time right
now and it is on my mind... It would not matter what he was, but I saw this post and just had to release some feelings... My apologies to all Mormans who are offended, but not to the asshole who owns my apt building....

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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:11 PM
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16. Here's what you do - start a "I hate evil landlords" thread. Dont go off on
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 04:24 PM by ChavezSpeakstheTruth
the tangent you clearly are dying to go off on by smearing an entire religion.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:15 PM
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18. Here is what you do
I did start a thread earlier this week and hey I never mentioned that he was a Morman in that post..... So here is what you do... Go find someone else to correct to make you feel superior....
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:24 PM
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29. Why are you venting in this thread? Please answer me
You can't seem to address it. Wny did you take it to this level?
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slj0101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:16 PM
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20. What is a Morman?
Do they belong to the Church of the Latter Day Sunts?

And yeah, your post was bigoted.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:17 PM
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22. And again I don't give a shit .....
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:19 PM
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24. Yes you do or you wouldn't reply
silly
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slj0101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:21 PM
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25. Replace "Mormon" with "Jew" and you get my point.
And I secretly think you do care. ;)

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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:22 PM
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28. It's not a secret to me. Insert muslim or black and you get the same result
hate
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 02:32 PM
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9. You must be quite proud to be so hateful.
Congrats!
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:01 PM
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12. More like Truthful
This man threw an urn with a baby's ashes into the trash..The Mother never recovered it. He went in an apartment and took everything those people owned and threw it in the garbage without going to court to go through an eviction process.. An urn with ashes...


I don't hate him, that is not worthy of me.. I am trying to make things right here, he does not follow the law either and he is a rotten person.... Sometimes the truth just hurts.....
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:09 PM
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15. "I am trying to make things right here" by implying that mormons are bad?
Because that's what you're doing. But I guess that's what being "truthful" demands of you.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:13 PM
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17. Any other time I might be considerate of
these correcting post that like to be made... You sure like to point the finger don't you? Who are you? What you think right now means squat to me.. Go find someone else to correct and berate....
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:15 PM
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19. Find a thread relevant to your point and I'll give a squat about your crap
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 04:21 PM by ChavezSpeakstheTruth
I point the finger at people who just bewilder me with their self-centerdness
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:16 PM
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21. Well aren't you the high and mighty one
to get to point the finger at anyone.... Must feel good to be so superior and know everything....
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:19 PM
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23. Nice try - you're avoiding the fact that this was a thread that had absolutely
nothing to do with what you wanted to say other than your landlrd is a mormon. How have I tried to seem superior? By saying something that you didn't like?
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 05:01 PM
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30. Remember when people used to say those things about Jews? Stereotype migration perhaps?
Like "thief" migrated from blacks to Mexicans?
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RobofSWVA Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 01:54 PM
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7. plenty of mormons are nice people
but Jeffs is scum. He should get his real soon.
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lies and propaganda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:12 PM
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36. these arent 'normal' LDS mormons.
They are Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints, fucking nutjob rapists perverts hiding behind 'religion.'
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 02:24 PM
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8. seems
like I read there were a lot more things he could be charged with. I wonder if this is just for starters.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 03:59 PM
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11. The official Mormon church has REJECTED this person
and those like him. It is grossly unfair to paint the LDS church with this man's crimes.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:22 PM
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26. True - this guy is a Mormon like David Koresh was a Christian
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 04:22 PM
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27. The Fundamentalist Church of LDS was turfed in, I think, 1927
Over, among other things, their polygamy. And you're right to draw a distinction between his group and LDS. But his sect is still Mormon.

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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:03 PM
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31. Well they are christians too.
as in they believe Jesus Christ is the savior of all mankind. So why not paint ALL christians as guilty of raping 14 yr old girls too? Clearly, that would not make sense. The only GROUP responsible for this man's crimes is this man and his supporters.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:07 PM
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33. Who said all Christians or even all Mormons have any
responsibility for his crimes? His guilt is certainly his own, no?



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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:25 PM
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34. "Mormon Leader" in the OP
is clearly intended to paint Mormons in general with this man's crimes. I don't think this man is any more a member of the LDS church than he is a Baptist or an Anglican.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:07 PM
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35. Well, your parsing is probably more accurate than mine
The official Mormon church had the sense to rid itself of this sect (founded, I believe, by Jeffs Sr.) long ago. Notwithstanding that, he and his benighted followers practice what they formally describe as Fundamentalist Mormonism.

I don't know if the OP intended anything to be telegraphed by the phrase "Mormon Leader", but certainly Jeffs and his followers would approve of the description.

And to amplify what you said, I don't think he qualifies to be a member of the human race, period, whatever his religion.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 10:16 PM
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39. "the fundamentalist Mormon polygamist leader", 1st line of the story
Your complaint is with the article writer or the man himself, not with me.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:06 PM
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32. He's not a Mormon. You should change your headline.
He has nothing to do with Mormons or the Mormon church and your title is insulting to millions of Mormons who have nothing to do with polygamy.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:32 PM
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37. Exactly. The NYT headlined appropriately: "Utah: Polygamist
Leader to Stand Trial." The issue is the crime, not the religion.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 10:15 PM
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38. How can I change my headline?
Also, the first sentence of the article:

'the fundamentalist Mormon polygamist leader'

How is this "nothing to do with Mormons"?
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