The Plot: An information bomb to keep the unbelievers at bay 2003: How Britain and the US were lied into warEurope faces 'very real threat' (UK home sec. John Reid)I collected a lot of material about the political fallout from and debate about this, don't know what for but this may be as good a time to post it as any.
Another terror 'plot' foiled - in Germany
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1942383Bush seeks political gains from foiled plot CRAWFORD, United States (AFP) - US President George W. Bush seized on a foiled London airline bomb plot to hammer unnamed critics he accused of having all but forgotten the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
Weighed down by the unpopular war in Iraq, Bush and his aides have tried to shift the national political debate from that conflict to the broader and more popular global war on terrorism ahead of November 7 congressional elections.
The London conspiracy is "a stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation," the president said on a day trip to Wisconsin.
"It is a mistake to believe there is no threat to the United States of America," he said. "We've taken a lot of measures to protect the American people. But obviously we still aren't completely safe."
His remarks came a day after the White House orchestrated an exceptionally aggressive campaign to tar opposition Democrats as weak on terrorism, knowing what Democrats didn't: News of the plot could soon break.
Vice President Dick Cheney and White House spokesman Tony Snow had argued that Democrats wanted to raise what Snow called "a white flag in the war on terror," citing as evidence the defeat of a three-term Democratic senator who backed the Iraq war in his effort to win renomination.
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But Bush's Republicans hoped the raid would yield political gains.
"I'd rather be talking about this than all of the other things that Congress hasn't done well," one Republican congressional aide told AFP on condition of anonymity because of possible reprisals.
"Weeks before September 11th, this is going to play big," said another White House official, who also spoke on condition of not being named, adding that some Democratic candidates won't "look as appealing" under the circumstances.
Org. article of course long gone
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060810/pl_afp/britainattacksairline_060810185330A lot of former plots:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1874954 Is anyone actually buying this bullshit?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1881400WH Official: "Weeks before September 11th, this is going to play big"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1877057 Question: Is there anything which would improve Blair & Bush's ratings?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=191x17784Timeline: A Profile in Politicizing Terror
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1880670 NYT editorial: When leaders use nation's trauma for political gain
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1883389 A remarkable series of coincidences
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1880691 True or not: Largest US Church Accuses President Bush re 9-11
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1881065 The heat of the moment
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/rachel_briggs/2006/08/the_heat_of_the_moment.html US officials suggest al-Qaida link to 'aircraft terror plot'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,1841816,00.html Plane plot investigators search houses
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,1841778,00.html Arrest of 'normal' neighbours shocks residents
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,1842307,00.htmlBritish Penetrate Terror Cell
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/08/british_penetra.htmlLiquid threat exposes flaws in airport security
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,1841679,00.html 'A plot to commit murder on an unimaginable scale'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,1842272,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=12 Q&A: Liquid explosives
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4780391.stm Q&A: UK aircraft bomb plot
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4778889.stm Two Britons in Pakistan arrests
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4781925.stm Police probe flights terror plot
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4780815.stm 'Air plot' suspects: Names released
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4782343.stm?ls Bush says plot a 'stark reminder'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4781185.stmHow to Best Fight Terror and Keep Americans Safe
Saturday, August 12, 2006
By Bill O'Reilly
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,208063,00.html Indeed, the right wing editorial page at The Wall Street Journal said this, "The London terror plot was foiled because a large number of people were under surveillance concerning their spending, travel and communications. Which leads us to wonder if Scotland Yard would have succeeded if the ACLU or The New York Times had first learned the details of such surveillance programs." That sarcastic reference is, of course, about The Times exposing an entirely legal financial terror monitoring program the Bush administration had in place. That controversial decision by The Times has badly damaged the paper in the court of public opinion. Because of things like that, the left is with a decision. Either change its policies on terror or go on the attack against the Bush administration. Guess what DNC Chair Howard Dean has decided to do?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HOWARD DEAN, DNC CHAIRMAN: The president, his team out there, Karl Rove and all those folks, they're trying to scare people again. They're trying -- you know, you hear what they said about Ned Lamont's primary win? Oh, well, that's a good thing for Al Qaeda. That's what Dick Cheney said. I'll tell you what the best recruiting tool for Al Qaeda has been, and you know who that is. If you want a real change in this country, we have to stop trying to scare people in order to win elections.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2776265Hartford Courant: COMMENTARY
Demeaning Democracy
Cheney Paints Lamont Victory As Helping Terrorists
August 13, 2006
By Edward M. Kennedy
Vice presidents are notorious for serving as an administration's chief attack dog, and time and again Dick Cheney has been unleashed to accuse anyone who is opposed to the Bush administration of aiding the terrorists. But this time he has gone too far.
The comments he made on the result of the Connecticut Democratic primary - that it might encourage "the al-Qaida types" who want to "break the will of the American people in terms of our ability to stay in the fight and complete the task" - are an attack not just on Democrats, but on democracy itself.
http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/commentary/hc-commentarykennedy0813.artaug13,0,5926112.story?coll=hc-headlines-commentary http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x228899Tom Ridge re: Cheney: "don't think most Americans see it that way"
The secretary refused to comment directly on Vice President Dick Cheney's comment that the defeat of U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman in the Democratic primary encourages al-Qaida types.
Chertoff said he stays out of politics, but said the U.S. stance on terror must be bipartisan, steadfast and resolute.
Chertoff's predecessor Tom Ridge told Newsweek of the Cheney remark, That may be the way the vice president sees it, but I don't see it that way, and I don't think most Americans see it that way.
http://www.fox23news.com/news/national/story.aspx?content_id=211A2FC4-0905-492A-A5E0-76690ABDA9B4 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1902275Lamont Surprised by Harshness of Attacks from Lieberman, Cheney
Aug 13, 2006 10:07 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democratic Senate nominee Ned Lamont, the anti-war candidate who toppled Sen. Joe Lieberman in the Connecticut primary, says he was surprised by Lieberman and Vice President Dick Cheney's claims that his victory could embolden terrorists. "My God, here we have a terrorist threat against hearth and home and the very first thing that comes out of their mind is how can we turn this to partisan advantage. I find that offensive," Lamont said in an interview Sunday with The Associated Press.
http://wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=5274932 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2454439http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1901644WTF? Bushco Forced EARLY ARREST of Ring over BRITISH OBJECTIONS!
A senior British official knowledgeable about the case said British police were planning to continue to run surveillance for at least another week to try to obtain more evidence, while American officials pressured them to arrest the suspects sooner. The official spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the case.
In contrast to previous reports, the official suggested an attack was not imminent, saying the suspects had not yet purchased any airline tickets. In fact, some did not even have passports.
...
The British official said the Americans also argued over the timing of the arrest of suspected ringleader Rashid Rauf in Pakistan, warning that if he was not taken into custody immediately, the U.S. would "render" him or pressure the Pakistani government to arrest him.
British security was concerned that Rauf be taken into custody "in circumstances where there was due process," according to the official, so that he could be tried in British courts. Ultimately, this official says, Rauf was arrested over the objections of the British.
More at post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1900627Demeaning Democracy
Cheney Paints Lamont Victory As Helping Terrorists
August 13, 2006
By Edward M. Kennedy
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The comments Cheney made on the result of the Connecticut Democratic primary - that it might encourage "the al-Qaida types" who want to "break the will of the American people in terms of our ability to stay in the fight and complete the task" - are an attack not just on Democrats, but on democracy itself.
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Cheney and his crowd are all for free and open elections - as long as they turn out their way. They are all for free speech - provided it supports the administration. They are all for the rule of law - as long as the law does not prevent them from doing whatever they want to do. When elections, speeches or laws are inconvenient, he does not hesitate to declare that they are helping the terrorists. I can think of no graver offense against our democracy.
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The November election will teach Dick Cheney and others of his ilk that they cannot use fear to cling to power. As Will Rogers said, "It's no disgrace not to be able to run a country nowadays, but it is a disgrace to keep on trying when you know you can't."
http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/commentary/hc-commentarykennedy0813.artaug13,0,5926112.story http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1900079Airports’ banned items turned into eBay cash
just in case you wondered what happens to all the confiscated stuff the government decided is too dangerous for airplanes....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14321792 /
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Pennsylvania turns a small profit by disposing of these castoff items, which it accepts from security contractors at 12 airports in five states, by selling them to the highest bidders at online auction site eBay.
Most of the contraband merchandise is knives, nail clippers and cuticle scissors that were forbidden as carry-on items following the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. But there's also Wiffle Ball bats, frosting-encrusted wedding cake servers, sex toys and a couple of chain saws.
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The Transportation Security Administration said 10 million prohibited items have been seized or voluntarily turned over this year nationwide.
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Federal law gives states the right to get banned or discarded items from the TSA contractor responsible for removing them. Pennsylvania has agreed to accept items from airports in Philadelphia, Harrisburg, Johnstown and Allentown; Kennedy, LaGuardia and two other airports in New York; Newark and Trenton in New Jersey; Nantucket in Massachusetts, and Cleveland.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2453830War-risk insurance end a worry for airlines (set to expire in 2 weeks)
my, what timing ...
Published August 12, 2006
The suspected terrorist plot foiled by British investigators underscores the continued need for a federal insurance program for airlines developed in response to the Sept. 11 attacks, according to an aviation consultant at one of the nation's largest insurance brokerages.
Without the coverage provided by the war-risk insurance program, which is set to expire Aug. 31, a catastrophic loss of lives and aircraft due to a terrorist attack "would crater the commercial insurance market," said Wayne Wignes, president of the aviation group for Chicago-based insurance broker Aon.
The Air Transport Association, an industry trade group, has called the program "indispensable" for the nation's carriers.
Commercial liability coverage generally does not cover carriers for most of the losses caused by acts of war. And going without coverage is not an option. The banks and financiers that have pumped billions of dollars into the aviation industry demand carriers have war-risk insurance, as do many foreign countries, .
"You need it to respond to a 9/11-type event, for the loss of the airplane, the loss of passengers and any third-party claims," Wignes said.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0608120185aug12,1,4851649.story?coll=chi-business-hed http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2453106"Media Matters"; by Jamison Foser
Coverage of Lamont-Lieberman race: a case study in how anti-Dem narratives dominate political media -- even as political threat level for Republicans rises to "severe"
In the wake of Connecticut Democratic Senate candidate Ned Lamont's primary victory over incumbent Sen. Joe Lieberman, and Lieberman's decision to run against Lamont as an independent in the general election, the political media were awash in pro-Lieberman and pro-Republican spin about Lamont, Connecticut voters, and what it all means for this fall's congressional elections.
(...)
Three of the last four Washington Post polls have found that a plurality of Americans trust Democrats rather than Republicans to handle the "campaign against terrorism." Four consecutive Post polls -- and seven of the last eight -- have found that a plurality trust Democrats more when it comes to handling "the situation in Iraq." The lone exception found the parties tied.
More:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200608120001 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1904421Terrorism experts cast doubt on al-Qaeda tie to arrests
NY TIMES NEWS SERVICE , WASHINGTON
Monday, Aug 14, 2006,Page 7
Advertising When US and Pakistani officials said this week that one conspirator in the foiled plan to bomb trans-Atlantic airliners was a "liaison" to al-Qaeda, they suggested that his arrest proved the group was linked to the scheme. Rashid Rauf, a Briton, had trained in the group's camps in the 1990s and was "a key al-Qaeda operative," one Pakistani official said.
But counterterrorism experts said on Saturday that the focus of government officials and the public on al-Qaeda, a term today with deep connotations but elusive meaning, may be misplaced.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2006/08/14/2003323167 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2454981Source: U.S., U.K. at odds over timing of arrests
British wanted to continue surveillance on terror suspects, official says
By Aram Roston, Lisa Myers, and the NBC News Investigative Unit
NBC News
Updated: 8:13 p.m. ET Aug. 12, 2006
LONDON - NBC News has learned that U.S. and British authorities had a significant disagreement over when to move in on the suspects in the alleged plot to bring down trans-Atlantic airliners bound for the United States.
A senior British official knowledgeable about the case said British police were planning to continue to run surveillance for at least another week to try to obtain more evidence, while American officials pressured them to arrest the suspects sooner. The official spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the case.
In contrast to previous reports, the official suggested an attack was not imminent, saying the suspects had not yet purchased any airline tickets. In fact, some did not even have passports.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14320452 GOP still trying to make hay from Lamont win
As we suggested earlier this morning, the news of today's thwarted terror plot gave Republicans a possible opening to continue their coordinated attack portraying Ned Lamont's primary victory in Connecticut as a sign Democrats that are weak on national security. And they took it. Per a White House pool report, a senior Administration official -- you can try guessing who -- walked into the press cabin on Air Force One to discuss the Lieberman-Lamont race. With a caveat of not extrapolating too much from the results of a primary election, the official noted how much closer the contest got during the final days of the campaign. "And I think that's in part because at the end of the day, people look at the consequences of failure and the consequences of victory, the consequences of withdrawal and the consequences of finishing the fight."
The official continued, "So if you have Lamont Democrats who say, 'Bring'em home, turn away, and it will be all over,' the American people say, 'You're kidding yourself. We're in war and the only way you walk away from a war is as a victor, defeating the enemy.'" (Of course, that begs these questions: How, exactly, do you win the war on terror? And just who, exactly, is the enemy?)
Meanwhile, in today's White House press gaggle, spokesman Tony Snow was asked directly whether the Administration knew of this terrorist plot beforehand (he said yes), and whether they knew the news about it would break today -- just after they had whacked Democrats on Lamont's victory. Snow's answer raised our eyebrows. "Let me put it this way, I don’t want to encourage that line of thought. I don’t think it's fully accurate, but I also don’t want -- I know it's frustrating, but we really don’t want to get too much into who knew what, where, when."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14028806 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=191x17876Question: Is there anything which would improve Blair & Bush's ratings?
Answer:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,1841140,00.html I'm not saying it's a conspiracy. I'm just pointing out how it's come at EXACTLY the right time ...
The Skin
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Welsh muslims say aircraft bomb plot 'a fake'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2454143 Two pictures ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1909243Olbermann on politicizing terror
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1910775Has The TERROR WELL Run Dry? (New CBS Poll: 36% Approval-Post Plot)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1906562Paul Craig Roberts: Gullible Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1906158Bush drops reference to 'Islamic fascists'
Bush drops reference to 'Islamic fascists'
but only after a warning from the Saudis.
http://www.kvia.com/global/story.asp?s=5280312 Responding last week to the foiling of an alleged plot to blow up flights between Britain and the United States, Bush said, "This nation is at war with Islamic fascists."
That triggered immediate objections from the Council of American-Islamic Relations, and another objection today from the government of Saudi Arabia.
Bush didn't repeat the reference to "Islamic fascists" at the State Department today, referring instead to "individuals that would like to kill innocent Americans to achieve political objectives."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1910649The UK Terror plot: What's Really Going On?
by Craig Murray
Published on Tuesday, August 15, 2006
I have been reading very carefully through all the Sunday newspapers to try and analyse the truth from all the scores of pages claiming to detail the so-called bomb plot. Unlike the great herd of so-called security experts doing the media analysis, I have the advantage of having had the very highest security clearances myself, having done a huge amount of professional intelligence analysis, and having been inside the spin machine.
SNIP...
None of the alleged terrorists had made a bomb. None had bought a plane ticket. Many did not even have passports, which given the efficiency of the UK Passport Agency would mean they couldn't be a plane bomber for quite some time.
In the absence of bombs and airline tickets, and in many cases passports, it could be pretty difficult to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt that individuals intended to go through with suicide bombings, whatever rash stuff they may have bragged in internet chat rooms.
What is more, many of those arrested had been under surveillance for over a year - like thousands of other British Muslims. And not just Muslims. Like me. Nothing from that surveillance had indicated the need for early arrests.
Then an interrogation in Pakistan revealed the details of this amazing plot to blow up multiple planes - which, rather extraordinarily, had not turned up in a year of surveillance. Of course, the interrogators of the Pakistani dictator have their ways of making people sing like canaries. As I witnessed in Uzbekistan, you can get the most extraordinary information this way. Trouble is it always tends to give the interrogators all they might want, and more, in a desperate effort to stop or avert torture. What it doesn't give is the truth.
CONTINUED...
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0815-36.htm http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1918093Ex-British Ambassador: ''The UK Terror plot: What's Really Going On?''
Here's an outstanding effort to paint a true picture of what the London Liquid Bomber Plot is about. The author of this article was British Ambassador to (the oil-rich nation of) Uzbekistan from 2002-2004. Craig Murray says beware of the mass media making hay off the terror plot. The hired hands in Corporate McPravda are only doing Bush and Blair's dirty work of distracting two nations from seeing the true nature of the political "leadership."
More:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1918093On the implausibility of the explosives plot.
First, the article:
On the implausibility of the explosives plot.
http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200608/msg00087.htmlVery interesting. Unlike what you see in the MSM, this article actually explains some of the technical issues of implementing a "binary liquid explosive device" in the constraints of an airliner bathroom.
In short, lots of issues, such as chemicals eating through your Gatorade bottle (better switch to glass, and better use a lid for that glass bottle that the chemicals won't eat through), nasty fumes, the chemical concoction blowing up in your face if you don't cool it with dry ice, it blowing up if you shock it, it blowing up before you made enough to actually take the plane out, the fumes choking you, and passengers noticing the smells of the various chemicals, this plot is completely implausible.
Of course, that doesn't stop TSA from making you dump your Diet Pepsi... What TSA is putting you and me through at airports isn't security. It's theater. Theater made at the price of your freedom.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1921481Suspect in foiled airliner plot freed
7 minutes ago
LONDON - Scotland Yard said Wednesday night that a person arrested earlier this week as part of its investigation into a foiled plot to blow up trans-Atlantic jetliners was released.
In a brief statement, police said the suspect was released without charge. Scotland Yard said the suspect had been arrested on Monday
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1924154None of the alleged terrorists had made a bomb. None had bought a plane ticket. Many did not even have passports, which given the efficiency of the UK Passport Agency would mean they couldn't be a plane bomber for quite some time. In the absence of bombs and airline tickets, and in many cases passports, it could be pretty difficult to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt that individuals intended to go through with suicide bombings, whatever rash stuff they may have bragged in internet chat rooms.
What is more, many of those arrested had been under surveillance for over a year - like thousands of other British Muslims. And not just Muslims. Like me. Nothing from that surveillance had indicated the need for early arrests. Then an interrogation in Pakistan revealed the details of this amazing plot to blow up multiple planes - which, rather extraordinarily, had not turned up in a year of surveillance. Of course, the interrogators of the Pakistani dictator have their ways of making people sing like canaries. As I witnessed in Uzbekistan, you can get the most extraordinary information this way. Trouble is it always tends to give the interrogators all they might want, and more, in a desperate effort to stop or avert torture. What it doesn't give is the truth.
http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2006/08/the_uk_terror_p.html http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1923137Josh Marshall Becoming SKEPTICAL OF UK TERROR PLOT!!!
I've been relatively ambivalent about whether or not the UK terror plot was or wasn't a bunch of bullshit or something in between. Was it hyped? Certainly. Was it total bullshit? Meh. I dunno. But Josh Marshall (For whom I have a good deal of respect) is starting to have his doubts about it and discusses it and also links to a pretty scathing Andrew Sullivan piece on it. Let's just say "curiouser and curiouser" for now.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com /
"Over the last few years, there have been several occasions when -- for all my skepticism about the Bush administration's politicization of terror alerts -- I've been surprised at how my skepticism, even cynicism, about terror alerts just can't keep pace with the administration's bad faith. I'm not ready to say the London bomb plot is another bamboozlement. But even this now seems to be turning out to be less than met the eye. And there appear to be real questions whether Bush and Blair jumped the gun for reasons other than counter-terrorism. We'll see, I guess."
Sullivan's SCATHING piece:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1922137That $100-a-bottle perfume that inconvenienced passengers tossed into airport trash cans last week, along with the lip gloss, toothpaste and shampoo, added the missing element of home-front sacrifice to the war on terror, which may explain why initial media coverage was so enthusiastic and skepticism-free.
It was a story everyone understood — us vs.
them, wise-cracking stoicism, a big jolt of fear — and for a while the nation could return to its pre-quagmire delusions of Pearl Harbor/Good War redux. That’s the story the media have tried to cover all along
And, oh, they keep trying: “This nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation.” That was our president, of course, still reading “The Pet Goat” to the nation, still quoted straight up as he simplifies a complex world for us. The fanatics who hate freedom will even try to detonate our Prell, our Crest, our Fiji Water, our Eau de Toilette.
Turns out that those of us who thought something smelled funny about the timing and all — peace had just broken out in Connecticut, for instance — were getting a whiff of more than just discarded aftershave.
It’s outrageous enough that the arrest in London last week of 24 terror suspects was premature and dovetailed not with the accumulation of evidence against them, but with the White House’s need to call the voters who dumped Joe Lieberman “Defeatocrats” (House Majority Leader John Boehner) and coddlers of “al-Qaida types” (Dick Cheney).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-koehler/the-smell-of-fear_b_27453.htmlIn retrospect...
(snip)
“In retrospect,’’ said Michael A. Sheehan, the former deputy commissioner of counterterrorism in the New York Police Department, “there may have been too much hyperventilating going on.”
(snip)
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/28/world/europe/28plot.html?ex=1314417600&en=3bd0e2112e48e451&ei=5089&partner=rssyahoo&emc=rss http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2480314Chemists: TATP Liquid Bombs Impossible to Make In Jet Lavatory--Huge Hoax
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 04:00 PM by Dems Will Win
This desription by Thomas Greene and an accompanying Chemistry PDF, show how making liquid bombs on a plane is virtually IMPOSSIBLE. You'd have to be in the lavatory for hours, then dry it for hours, and the acetone fumes would kill you anyhow.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2011878Sources: August terror plot is a 'fiction' underscoring police failures
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Sources_August_Terror_Plot_Fiction_Underscoring_0918.html*****************************
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