She was wearing a T Shirt. repeat. A T shirt. A T shirt.

[lildreamer316]

A M&*^%$F*%$#@g TSHIRT.
HELLO HELLO HELLO HELLO HELLOOOOOOOOO.
IS ANYONE HOME? A FUCKING TSHIRT!!
GOOD MOOOORRRRNING!

A TSHIRT!

IS

IT

FACISIM

YET?

WHO reincarnated? Mussolini?

[az chela]

1. and it said DEAD and had the number of troops killed on it

Wow how scary is that???A threat to who???Oh yah the chimp.He couldnt have her there.She would steal his show and he is so gutless he couldnt give his speech if she was watching him.WOW CINDY IS MY HERO!!!!!

[General Zod]

2. Welcome to the fascist state of Ameirka.......

All I can say is that she has more courage in her little finger then Drunky Mclameduck has in his whole body.

[merbex]

3. And it was a shirt she wore all day and wears frequently

because the number constantly needs updating

Push that meme - she wears it all the time - nothing unique about her wearing it

[WCGreen]

4. I just wish she would have waited until the idiot was in the

well.....

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

5. I thought righties were angry that we weren't talking about troop deaths

but talking about injured reporters in Iraq, instead. Or were those merely last week-end's right wing talking points?

[chookie]

6. I'm shocked by the reaction here

I can't believe the strong condemnations of Cindy's action -- wearing an antiwar shirt to the SOTU.

Boy, if people are pissed off at her for that, just imagine what they would make out of the scandalous actions of MLK and Gandhi against Southern racism and the British occupatino of India!

What in the world is wrong with a little non-violent civil disobedience?

[jonnyblitz]

7. pretty vile eh? I agree. nt

[BuyingThyme]

9. I've not yet seen any evidence of disobedience of any kind.

[chookie]

12. Can you elaborate?

Do you have a point?

[BuyingThyme]

17. Having a problem with plain English?

[chookie]

23. No

You are simply not making a clear point.

And obviously you just want to shit around, so you're dead to me (ignore button)

[Name removed]

24. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[BuyingThyme]

31. The point is as clear as day.

Please don't be offended; just ask somebody to help you.

[fishwax]

35. seemed clear to me n/t

[txindy]

22. It's not disobedience if she was only wearing the t-shirt

Had she been shouting, quietly blocking the aisles, or standing on her chair, pointing at her shirt, then that might count as disobedience. Cindy didn't even have the chance to do anything other than wear a shirt. It's not a crime to wear a t-shirt.

That was the point of the post you were questioning, I believe.

[chookie]

25. I see

Yeah, I agree with you that wearing a tshirt hardly seems reason enough to evict someone. But given that -- unfairly -- instructions were given by security that no one should carry slogans, etc, she was being disobedient of this unfair rule. People rarely protest fair rules....

[txindy]

27. I see what you're saying

If a rule exists that banned any sayings on shirts during the speech, then, yes, it was an act of disobedience. It was a brave thing to do, either way, wearing an anti-war shirt at that time. I can understand the prohibition on banners (unwieldly in a chamber such as that) to an extent, but I didn't know a slogan on clothing could be banned, too. What I find amazing is that they let her in with that shirt. Surely, they would've gone over Cindy and her possessions with the proverbial fine-tooth comb. This couldn't have been a mistake, yet why would they want to make a fuss like this? Intimidation purposes? :shrug:

[chookie]

29. I participated in "Guantanamo on the Ohio"

I got thrown into a caged in area with a group of other people because I wore a shirt that said "Citizens for Legitimate Government" to a Bush outdoor event. They call them "First Amendment Zones, and I am not the only one around here who has been treated in this manner. It was a Labor Day outdoor speech -- and although explicitily people were warned not to carry signs, they let proBush sign carriers into the speech area, and forced me to stay in the fenced in area.

[Canuckistanian]

33. Good point

If it had been an "I love W" shirt, would there have been the same result?

[chookie]

41. Not only shirts

But signs. After it had been (rightly or wrongly) posted that there must be no signs. (By the way, I mean hand held 8x10 signs). We were kept in a fenced in area, surrounded by armed guards, while people WITH signs and tshirts supportive of the monkey were allowed into the streets. My only regret is that I did not get arrested that day -- I should have made a stronger stand for my rights.

[sproutster]

34. Evict?? She was taken to jail in cuffs

omfg... This is acceptable.

I'm not a huge Cindy fan, I about lost it after the smily "look at me I'm going to jail" protest pics.

I do have sympathy for her, and I am becoming more and more impressed with her sheer doggedness on her one huge issue. I shouldn't dilute it with my suspicians, or whatever it is that makes me not trust her on face value.

Hell, the last paragraph should not even be on this thread -- get it.

She is an american citizen who had an invitation to the SOTU and wore a t-shirt. SHE WAS ARRESTED. American citizen, t-shirt, arrested.

This is fucking acceptable?!!

[chookie]

39. Not acceptable

I agree that her first amendment rights were violated.

It's not the first time something like this has happened. It's been going on throughout the Chimperial administration. That she can fight, if they press charges, but sometimes they don't, because they just want to get the dissenter out of the "Popular War Time President" photo op.

[tyedyeto]

45. What disobedience occurred?

The wearing of a t-shirt? Do you believe that is civil disobedience? If so, step right up to the newly revised Patriot Act and put your hands out to be cuffed.

[chookie]

48. I see but....

Security maintained that all signs were prohibited from the venue. This is unfair, but in a manner that Bush uses constantly. It was a first amendment violation from the get go....

Cindy defied the unfair rule. Yes, this is civil disobedience of a stupid and unconstitutional rule of the Chimperial venue.

This has happened to me. I was not arrested, but I was held in a fenced in area surrounded by armed guards, for wearing a tshirt that said "Citizens for Legimate Government." Go figure.

I agree that everyone should be screaming FOUL about this.

[jobycom]

15. They got us. They reported she had unfurled a banner

And many of us bought that. Well, I did, anyway. And my comments, while not angry or denouncing, were less positive because of it.

Apologies to Cindy.

[janx]

18. It's not even civil disobedience. It doesn't rise to that level.

It's called freedom of speech, and it's paramount in our Constitution.

Oh my God, how have things gotten this far out of whack?

[in_cog_ni_to]

38. I agree. Cindy has more guts in her little finger

than the entire body of Congress COMBINED. Here's to a brave, brave lady WHOSE BABY WAS MURDERED BY BUSH!:toast: She has EARNED THE RIGHT to say anything against this illegal invasion that is the reason for her son's mueder. She has even earned the right to wear a FREAKIN' T-shirt to the SOTU address. Fascism is alive and well in the good old USA.

[Maraya1969]

40. I agree. I couldn't watch shithead and just now heard about Cindy's

arrest for wearing a T shirt with the number of dead soldiers - and people bitching about HER!

Something is wrong with the picture. We are supposed to have a right to free speech which, last I looked included anything you wanted to say on a T shirt. And where does it say that free speech ends when the pResident is in the room?

At least the woman is DOING SOMETHING. And that is what we want right? She is a brave and strong woman and I am proud of her.

She has what we are screaming for our elected officials to have. And maybe some of it is rubbing off on them because they seem to be getting bolder and less willing to take the shit that is being handed to all of us.

[hatrack]

47. Yes, imagine what they'd have done with Eartha Kitt at the White House

For those of you who might not remember, she directly confronted Lady Bird Johnson with outspoken and articulate condemnation of the price of Vietnam. She paid a substantial price for that, as an entertainer, as a singer and an actress - it didn't make her life any better.

And we're slagging Cindy Sheehan for wearing a t-shirt?

I think I'll go fishing for a little historical perspective.

[FredStembottom]

49. I am, too!

I can't think of a more measured little protest than what Ms. Sheehan came up with. She was invited, had an assigned seat, didn't holler out anything rude. It's not possible to think of it as a disturbance and the talking heads of the Captive Press will sound like dementia patients if they describe it as such.

So......what's with all the garment-rending here at DU?!?!?:wtf:

[Individualist]

8. Damn right, it's fascism

Democracy died yesterday. Welcome to PNAC Amerika. We ain't seen nothin' yet.

[jobycom]

10. Pretty amazing how that story evolved, isn't it?

Hell, they got me, too, when they said she unfurled a banner. Thought she was an idiot. Nope. I was an idiot for believing anything the media says.

[chookie]

20. There's nothing wrong with a banner either

I am shocked at how upset people are. Hell, even if she did unfurl a banner -- so what? It's non-violent protest. The way people are carrying on, I thought she lobbed a molotov cocktail at Cheney.

Oh, I see -- we're regressing back to the 1950s, bypassing the 1960s and all of its civil disobedience and protest. Yikes. It's like civil rights movement never happened. It's eerie. Total amnesia about America's recent past.

[jobycom]

37. Yes there is

Protests in the Capitol are illegal. They have to be, or every lobbyist would have a gang of protestors to shut down Congress every day. Cindy unrolling a banner would mean she was trying to get arrested, and that would undermine everything she's done until now. It would allow Bush to take the high road, forgiving her, expressing sympathy, maybe even inviting her to meet with him. She would be the irrational hothead, he would be the mature leader. It would be a stupid, stupid move.

A teeshirt is less intrusive, it's less obviously a violation of the ban. It was a bold move, actually. The public will see it less as a protest and more as a statement. If the media doesn't spin it to death, she could gain sympathy.

Big difference.

[EFerrari]

55. Bingo. I don't know what upset me more. The news of her

arrest or the way this board reacted to it. I guess it's been a long week. :(

[LWolf]

57. I am irritatied at the uproar, but not shocked.

Especially if people thought it was a banner. Democrats don't like banners as non-violent protests, themselves. While she wasn't arrested, Medea Benjamin was "removed" by police from the Democratic Convention in '04 for unfurling a banner that said "End the Occupation of Iraq."

I guess it's ok when you are the protestor, but not when you are the protestee.

[Zen Democrat]

11. I just heard that it said "2245 How Many More?" and didn't say "dead".

Just the number and the question.

[tyedyeto]

13. Welcome to the NEW America...

where what you wear, not what you say, can get you arrested.

It's been like this for a while at ALL the Chimp's speaking engagements but today shows us what the Neo-Cons are really all about..........stifling (sp?) free speech, even when it boils down to the t-shirt you wear.

[mitchum]

14. What a drunken coward we have as a "leader"

I loath him more and more each day

[deutsey]

16. She is a doubleplusungood Thoughtcriminal!

And so are YOU!

Off to MiniLuv with you both...

[Spazito]

19. Isn't it amazing that a t-shirt with the word "dead' and the number

of US soldiers killed is "anti-war" yet bush can take advantage, in front of the whole world, of a grieving family with a DEAD son and that is to be applauded. Unbelievable, sickening.

[chookie]

28. Right

If the cause is so glorious, why is it so troubling when people try to attach numbers (of dead and wounded) to it? Because they are afraid of the numbers. They never reckoned on them in their first version of lies to the American people, and now they have to make people either ignore the true statistics about the war, or shut up people who are talking of the numbers.

[bloom]

21. And Bush pisses on the Constitution. n/t

[LizW]

26. So a t-shirt with writing on it is so disruptive that it is "not allowed"

and Cindy is hustled away and shackled, but this was just fine at last year's SOTU?

http://gohmert.house.gov/UserControl/ShowImage.aspx?GraphicID=17&Table=WebGraphics

[chookie]

32. No. Dissent is not allowed.

Any reasonable person agrees that this is bullshit, Same old bullshit. I was removed from His Chimperial Highnesses presence for wearing a tshirt (which said "Citizens for Legitimate Government).

A guy was arrested during "Guantanamo on the Ohio" -- the judge overturned the case because his first amendment rights had been violated. Cindy Sheehan -- IF charges are pressed, which I doubt -- WILL protest her arrest for the ridiculous charge as well.

(But you see -- these cases are always overturned -- they don't even care; they just want to get the "inharmonious" people out of the Chimperial photo op.)

[BrightKnight]

30. Cindy often wears a t-shirt.

Google Cindy Sheehan pictures and you will have a difficult time finding a picture where she is not wearing a t-shirt.

Free speech is always fashionable in this country.

[fishwax]

36. she should have worn a shirt wiht the bill of rights on it

i wonder if they would have arrested her for that ...

[tyedyeto]

42. Yep... doncha know, it's just a piece of paper?

[chookie]

43. Betcha they would have

It's not only blatant slogans which are banned, but anything even slightly "iffy". I was confined to a free speech zone because I wore a tshirt that said "Citizens for Legimate Goverment." Go figure....

[NoAmericanTaliban]

44. Capital Building or Reichtag?

The capital police was probably waiting for her to do something so she could be removed. Wearing a t-shirt with the number of troops killed (including her son) in Iraq is a first admenment right. This may work in her favor, big news item tonight & on all the scrools including CSPAN- just had a big segment on CNN about it. This is making huge news. Biggest story right after the State of the Onion propaganda speech. Should make the talk show ciruit & be interviewed wearing the shirt. Sales of shirt will go up. If anyone should be arrested its the war criminal giving the speech. Remember when Chilabi was present in the special vistor box behind Laura a few years ago. Now there is someone who should have been arrested.

The Right will try to demonize her & make her into a major criminal, but all they will do is give her more attention for her to get the anti-war message out. The more they hate her the more effect she is having.

Go Cindy!!!

[sproutster]

46. She is fucking charged with a misdemeaner??!!

UNLAWFUL CONDUCT?? OMFG... GAME OVER

[UncleSepp]

52. Good thing that new amendment on the Patriot Act isn't in effect

or it could have been a felony.

[Nordmadr]

54. Yeah, as I understand it, new Patriot Act provisions will make it

illegal to wear or display "unapproved" signs when the Prez. is speaking and at national political events. I was not aware of this new provision. I'll have to look it up to verify if that info is available to the public. It was mentioned at a meet-up for people supporting impeachment that I watched last night on C-SPAN. It included Cindy, and former A.G. Ramsey Clark among others.

Welcome to Amerika.

Olafr

[ClusterFreak]

50. Good for Cindy.

Too bad though she didn't hold off on revealing the t-shirt until Chimpy was up and at 'em at the podium. And then maybe started yelling shit as cops tried to arrest her. Would'a loved that.

Cindy still rocks. She's got balls the size of Texas.

[AgadorSparticus]

51. no kidding!!! it's unfuckingbelievable that they arrested her for that.

it's even more unfuckingbelievable that there are people condemning her for it. I guess these people are ok with fascism.

[The Traveler]

53. Whoa! Lemme get this straight

Did Cin try to display a banner or not?

I was just cussin' her for pulling a stupid stunt inappropriate to the event. (Of course, her siege of Crawford was brilliant inspiring, but I digress.) But ... if she was wearing a T shirt ... well, that IS a different matter entirely. Hardly disruptive of the public business, though it might hurt someone's feelings. What ... she was arrested for violation of some obscure Congressional dress code????? For hurting some little right wing petunia's feelings?

What is the truth of this matter? Another thread claims she was not released and was moved to a downtown jail. Did Cindy choose to disrupt the business of Congress, or did she simply choose to wear an expressive garment? This will tell me if the police acted appropriately, or if they acted as an instrument of an emerging tyrant.


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[EFerrari]

56. Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=291399&mesg_id=291399