Choose-Your-Own-Conspiracy!

[everythingsxen]

Kind of like a Choose your own adventure book, but sillier. Choose a group from Column A, a different group from Column B, an Agenda from Column C and some real world event from Column D.

Add your own to the list. Column A should be the "big" conspiracy groups, Column B is the puppet group.

All you have to do is connect the dots! I have numbered them and here is a random number generator: http://www2.whidbey.net/ohmsmath/webwork/javascript/diceroll.htm all you have to do is enter 4 rolls and it will give you 4 d6 rolls to randomly create a conspiracy!
Fun for the whole family!

Column A:

1. UFOs
   
2. Trilateral Commission
   
3. Bilderburgers
   
4. Nazis
   
5. Illuminati
   
6. Masons
   

Column B:

1. Federal Reserve
   
2. White House
   
3. Alphabet Soup(NSA, FBI, CIA, etc.)
   
4. Area 51
   
5. The Media
   
6. The UN
   

Column C:

1. World Wide Communist Police State (or 'One World Government')
   
2. Mind Control
   
3. Preparation for Alien Enslavement
   
4. Destroy America (alternately 'Create North American Union')
   
5. Clone Hitler
   
6. Steal all the world's tinfoil
   

Column D:

1. Domino's Two for Tuesday
   
2. 9/11
   
3. Pearl Harbor
   
4. JFK Assassination
   
5. RFK Assassination
   
6. Kurt Cobaine "suicide"
   

[everythingsxen]

1. Here is mine:

As a side note, you don't have to randomly roll, I just added that as a fun thing to do.

The Trilateral Commission forced the White House to let the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor, so they could secretly try to steal all the worlds tinfoil!

[Redstone]

2. Oh, that's damn funny. Thanks for providing me a laugh tonight.

Redstone

[everythingsxen]

3. NP Your thread inspired me

after my recent bout of conspiracy reading.

[spillthebeans]

4. I hope it wasn't my fault nt

[everythingsxen]

5. Sort of..

Don't get me wrong I am not trying to insult you. But your thread about the Amero lead to this in a round about way. It's all in good fun though. It's not so much the thing about the Amero, it's just that the conspiracy stuff behind it leads to a lot of the same places other conspiracies lead, which is a little place I like to call "Crazy Town". You gotta watch all of that stuff. Especially when the words "Gold Standard" and "Federal Reserve" appear on the same page.

[spillthebeans]

6. Well,

sometimes I look at threads and wonder why people engage in he said, she said debates over non-issues,
while there are more important things to debate.

Btw the Gold Standard existed and the Federal Reserve exist (not very federal or with reserves but it's there)


Sometimes it's this backing off reaction to unknown things, I assume it's a normal human reaction.
This can't be true, it would be on the front page of my newspaper.But WMD were in the newspaper and not in Iraq.

I keep an open mind and more information is better than less.

[praeclarus]

8. that's right....

... there are just way too many coincidences for me
to be in the Coincidence Theorist camp. So I keep my tinfoil
hat handy just in case it becomes necessary.

edit for clarity.

[everythingsxen]

9. No, I know..

The problem with the Gold Standard stuff is it's just impractical. The Federal Reserve stuff... yeah it is a conspiracy and it is a real thing. Just like the Bilderbergers. *SOME* of it *IS* true. Are rich people actually involved in a conspiracy to keep getting richer? Sure. Are they all actively working together to orchestrate events like 9/11? I seriously doubt it.

I am just telling you, you really need to watch out. A lot of that stuff can at first be credible, even believable. A bit fantastic at first, but you keep an open mind. It gets you deeper and deeper until you look around and you are knee deep in crazy bullshit like Trilateral Commission assassinates JFK to cover up existence of UFOS!

[spillthebeans]

13. Many CT would call this technique poisoning the well

Gold standard doesn't mean you are paying with gold coins, it means that the bank can't print money out of thin air.
If the money is backed by gold, the central bank can't print as much money as it wants.

Today the dollar is practically backed by oil, that's why the Government is holding hands with people from Saudi Arabia for example.
It's even mentioned in pretty mainstream movies like "Why We Fight" BBC
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4924034461280278026&q=why+we+fight+oil

[everythingsxen]

14. Yes, I have honestly watched and read

a bunch of stuff about the Gold Standard.

Here is the problem:

Too many people - Not enough gold

[spillthebeans]

16. As far as I know JFK put the US with Executive Order 1110

under a silver standard.

When you start you simply set a fixed rate. I haven't read enough "real" macro-economic books, so I'm not an expert.

[everythingsxen]

17. At the end of the day though...

all money is just an illusion.

At any rate, I am not disparaging you or particular theory. You will notice gold standard stuff does not appear on the list.. at least I think it doesn't. I can't remember now honestly. The rest of it is just common conspiracy stuff. It was not meant as an insult to conspiracy theorists, who I would think would be big enough to sit back and go "Ha, that is pretty funny"... instead of course, it is a conspiracy....

[spillthebeans]

18. Hey it's a discussion forum, that's what we are here for

What I found funny is that more people came to your thread with PNAC or other things and you had to defend yourself, unimaginable 5 years ago
:rofl:



What I found always interesting were the quotes by former presidents, they seemed to know what will happen.

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." Written by Jefferson in a letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802).

[everythingsxen]

19. Yeah

I mean don't get me wrong.. I am a hard core conspiracy theorist on some stuff. Mostly the Federal Reserve. Yes, I do believe WWI was tied to the creation of the Federal Reserve. I also believe it is one of the worst organizations in the world.

The Bilderberg group is another one. Just stay as far away from David Icke as possible.

As far as the Bilderbergers go though, they really are a group of rich bankers, industrialists and meadia moguls as well as government people too. That is pretty scary. The whole One World Government thing does not scare me. However, a One world government run by banks and corporations, that does scare me.

[spillthebeans]

20. I think Icke does his shape-shifting drama

to either be loved by the yoga-esoterik crowd or just to be labeled as a kook and not to make many waves in the media.
Wasn't he arrested for something?

I didn't knew that the Queen and the Windsor family, in reality is called Saxe Coburg Gotha and the British royal family has pure German roots.


Have you seen the latest clip were Cheney admits being CFR and keeping it secret from his voters?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir4tLzg9gp0

[everythingsxen]

22. Spooky stuff

The Rockefellers are up to their eyeballs in weird conspiracy stuff.

[spillthebeans]

23. You have no accountability by this admin, Cheney in bed with Halli-burton,CFR etc

No oversight, no nothing

Gingrich wants to ban free speech http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfwthwqVyGE


ah,... it's all ok

[everythingsxen]

24. Oh no, don't get me wrong...

As I have tried to indicate, I am not saying there are no conspiracies, just that a good number of them tumble down rabbit holes that are, well, there is no other way to say it except -- insane.

All that aside, there are real conspiracies out there. A few choice quotes:

The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. - J. Edgar Hoover

The easiest way to gain control of the population is to carry out acts of terror. The public will clamor for such laws if the personal security is threatened. - Joseph Stalin

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the NY Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings, and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a World Government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and World Bankers is surely preferable to the national auto - determination practiced in past centuries." - David Rockefeller

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our Banking and Monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a Revolution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

"We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the world - no longer a Government of free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men." - Woodrow Wilson

http://netctr.com/quotes.html

[spillthebeans]

25. I hope I haven't destroyed your thread

I got 5 6 2 4 Illuminati use Mind Control on UN to kill JFK ?


If you are interested in a good documentary about the Fed here is one from the Mises Institute
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYZM58dulPE

[everythingsxen]

26. Yeah I've watched that one

Have you watched America: Freedom to Fascism?

[spillthebeans]

27. only the google version

I think the dvd version has more on North American Union

[everythingsxen]

28. Probably

I am thinking about getting it.

I saw it on YouTube, but it seems to be gone now. It was the same as Google version, just higher quality.

A lot of the stuff about the IRS was really freaky. Like that family restaurant they kicked in the doors of and jacked, just because their bookkeeper lied about them.

[spillthebeans]

30. Wesley Snipes is friends with the director and they are trying

to extradite him from Africa where he is shooting a movie, he apparently doesn't want to pay income tax like 60 million other Americans.

Everybody knows that it's unconstitutional and only a handful or less congress people care, like Ron Paul for example.

[everythingsxen]

31. As more than a few people have pointed out...

it really doesn't matter if Income Tax is legal or not, Constitutional or not. The IRS has guns and they will arrest you for not paying.

[spillthebeans]

32. Probably.

I wonder if they will find enough IRS agents who will participate in this, after watching movies like "freedom to fascism"

[rman]

36. of course it couldn't be that the point of Icke is

to generally discredit CTs - as demonstrated by the OP.

If the big conspiracies are for real, then there are bound to be big coverups, including the tried and true RW tactic of discrediting. The stakes are very high and money is no object.

[everythingsxen]

39. Cool

So now I am right winger who is part of the conspiracy, here to discredit "the truth".

I will have to let the various conspiracies know so I can get my check...

[rman]

37. who besides David Icke and you (and anyone who parrots Icky)

promote the idea that most CTs involve shape shifting lizards?

You say "stay away from Icky" (good advice i think) and then you proceed to repeat all the crap that's reason to stay away from Icky.

[everythingsxen]

7. Well if noone else will play...

I will just post another.. *rolls dice*

Oooooh this is a gooood one!

The Bilderbergers manipulating events at the Federal Reserve, set up and caused 9/11 to distract the worlds attention from their secret project to clone Hitler!

[wildbilln864]

11. Well, not actually to clone Hitler and it's the PNAC not the bilderburgs ...

but to accomplish the goals published here!
and check here!

[Wonk]

10. Q.E.D. All conspiracy theories are false and must be disregarded post-haste.

:boring:

[everythingsxen]

12. I never said *all* conspiracies are false...

Just that most of them lead back to things like "Shapeshifting lizards from space control the British Monarchy!"

I am sure there is *some* truth to plenty of the conspiracies out there, I was just having some fun.

[rman]

33. No - there are some people who would have others believe that

most CTs lead back to things like "Shapeshifting lizards from space control the British Monarchy!"
Because that is what keeps people from taking any CT seriously, which is in the interest of those who which to cover up CTs.
It is called guilt by association - one of the oldest tricks in the book.

Personally I think conspiracies in high places are much to serious to make fun of it by invoking ridicule.

When was the last time you posted a serious message on conspiracies?

[everythingsxen]

34. A serious message on conspiracy theory?

I would say most of my above conversation with spillthebeans was fairly serious.

However, since you seem to know the real story, why not educate me and show me conspiracies that don't lead back to shapeshifting lizards from space?

[rman]

35. a few of the top of my head

Watergate
Iran/Contra
the Kennedy assassinations
MLK assassination
Wellstone assassination
9/11
election fraud 2000, 2004
Gulf of Tonkin
Pearl Harbor
Gary Webb
1999 bombings in Russia
Reichstag fire
the overthrowing of numerous democratically elected leaders who did not have the interests of the US at heart

If you think these do lead back to shapeshifting lizards from space, please provide evidence. I got a hunch though that you don't believe any of the above are conspiracies.

Just because David Icky and you say that all conspiracies lead back to shape shifting lizards and half a dozen other alien races, doesn't mean it's true - not does it mean that any significant amount of people believes it.

[everythingsxen]

42. Ok...

Watergate: was in fact a "conspiracy"; except all of the involved parties were caught and arrested. Your point being?
Iran/Contra: Pretty much same as above.
the Kennedy assassinations: This one gets a little hazy, but I have read more than one MK ULTRA etc. theory about them that starts sounding pretty nutty.
MLK assassination: Again, no doubt an actual conspiracy, but I have seen more than a few that get a bit silly.
Wellstone assassination: Wellstone "assassination"? Do you have *any* proof of that?
9/11: Again, definite conspiracy, but it's a question of how deep in the rabbit hole you go. If you think Bush/Cheney LIHOP, sure that is believable, once you start talking about an actual MIHOP with thousands of people involved and controlled demolitions... well you are entering crazy land.
election fraud 2000, 2004: Ok, I think it is established as fact, that it was fraud.
Gulf of Tonkin: Known fact,
Pearl Harbor: Known fact; but... it is a question of who and when.
Gary Webb: Again, fact but who and when.
1999 bombings in Russia: Getting a little weird, if you are trying to tie all of these together.
Reichstag fire: Known fact.

Unfortunately, every CT I have met IRL ends up tying all of those theories together and all seem to buy into Icke's particular brand of bullshit.

My general philosophy is why attribute to conspiracy what can be attributed to stupidity.

[spillthebeans]

43. There is a problem with Iran/Contra for example

.former Congressman Lee Hamilton, chairman of the House select committee investigating the Iran-contra affair, was shown ample evidence against Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush, but he did not probe their wrongdoing. Why did Hamilton choose not to investigate? In a late 1980s interview aired on PBS 'Frontline,' Hamilton said that he did not think it would have been 'good for the country' to put the public through another impeachment trial. In Lee Hamilton's view, it was better to keep the public in the dark than to bring to light another Watergate, with all the implied ramifications. When Hamilton was chairman of the House committee investigating Iran-contra, he took the word of senior Reagan administration officials when they claimed Bush and Reagan were 'out of the loop.' Independent counsel Lawrence Walsh and White House records later proved that Reagan and Bush had been very much in the loop. If Hamilton had looked into the matter instead of accepting the Reagan administration's word, the congressional investigation would have shown the public the truth. Hamilton later said he should not have believed the Reagan officials. However, today, George W. Bush is considering appointing Hamilton UN ambassador."

http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/hamiltoniran-contra.htm



yes, the same Lee Hamilton who was on the 911 comission

[rman]

44. You mean you don't know any JFK CT that does not involve ETs?

and the same with all the other CTs?

So you have not seen Oliver Stone's "JFK", nor read Thom Hartmann's book on that assassination. Both present a different theory neither of which involves shape shifting lizards.

And only those CTs that you believe (see this thread) do not involve extra terrestrials?

You must be living on a different planet than most of us.

[everythingsxen]

45. Please tell me..

where I said that all Conspiracy Theories lead to aliens?

Oh that's right, I didn't. In fact, I have said several times that I myself do believe quite a few conspiracies.

You however are just crafting straw-man arguments to support your POV that I am trying to discredit all CTs.

And no, I live in the real world.

Not in the make believe world where hundred upon hundreds of people are involved in gigantic conspiracies to do some event like 9/11.

I have seen more than a few CTs that claim 9/11 involved things like:

Firefighters planted bombs to demo the buildings.
Bombs were in the buildings long before 9/11.
All of the passengers were secretly removed from the planes, held in detention camps and killed later.

Does that mean there was no conspiracy? Of course not.

At the very least, discounting anything from our government at all, it was a conspiracy by Al Qaeda to do it.

You still haven't told me about the "truths" that seem to know all about.

[rman]

46. "every CT I have met IRL ends up tying all of those theories together and

all seem to buy into Icke's particular brand of bullshit."

Yes you said "seem to" rather than "is", "are" or "do". It's quite clear though what you are implying.

Yet none of the CTs i deal with involving the conspiracies that i listed above buy into Icke's particular brand of bullshit.

a small sample:

# JFK
Stone's "JFK"
"JFK2"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4315024059102108031&q=jfk2

# RFK
The plot to kill Robert Kennedy
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6990843545674777046

# JFK jr
The assassination of JFK jr
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9060305020185604305

# MLK
An act of state - the execution of MLK
http://www.chomskytorrents.org/TorrentDetails.php?TorrentID=862

[everythingsxen]

15. How about this:

Masons use their uplink in the Federal Reserve to coordinate their Mind Control devices to cause Pearl Harbor!

[Codeblue]

21. The one I got with the dice

UFO's housing mind control devices are secretly hidden underneath the White House and were used to control Sirhan Sirhan and assassinate RFK.

[everythingsxen]

29. A little too close to the truth!

:tinfoilhat:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

38. Reading this thread, I think you're in a conspiracy against yourself

to keep you from knowing what you really think.
A very successful conspiracy.

[everythingsxen]

40. LOL

Ok Mr. Schwarzenegger.

[Jcrowley]

41. "To breathe together"

Almost as an article of faith, some individuals believe that conspiracies are either kooky fantasies or unimportant aberrations. To be sure, wacko conspiracy theories do exist. There are people who believe that the United States has been invaded by a secret United Nations army equipped with black helicopters, or that the country is secretly controlled by Jews or gays or feminists or black nationalists or communists or extraterrestrial aliens. But it does not logically follow that all conspiracies are imaginary.

Conspiracy is a legitimate concept in law: the collusion of two or more people pursuing illegal means to effect some illegal or immoral end. People go to jail for committing conspiratorial acts. Conspiracies are a matter of public record, and some are of real political significance. The Watergate break-in was a conspiracy, as was the Watergate cover-up, which led to Nixon's downfall. Iran-contra was a conspiracy of immense scope, much of it still uncovered. The savings and loan scandal was described by the Justice Department as "a thousand conspiracies of fraud, theft, and bribery," the greatest financial crime in history.