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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:09 AM
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POWELL: "Bush needs to face reality of civil war in Iraq"
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 10:11 AM by kpete
CNN:

Powell - "Situation in Iraq meets the standard of a civil war."

"Bush needs to face reality of civil war in Iraq"

"Solution needs to be political"

Journalist: Do you regret UN Statement?

Powell - "YES INDEED I DO REGRET IT"

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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:12 AM
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1. Let me be the first to send this to the top of the website. Amen.
Powel weighs in, and it's reality based.

That's called payback, methinks.
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evilgenius602 Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:16 AM
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16. reality has a well known liberal bias...
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:12 AM
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2. Well, well, well....welcome to the party Mr. Powell.
Glad to hear you're sorry, but...too little, too late.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:15 AM
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3. Well General Powell, for those of us who were around when
you tried to cover up the My Lai massacre, I certainly regret you're EVER being in a position of influence, responsibility, and power (no matter if it was the military or what). You are also a lying slug.
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nancyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:18 AM
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5. Such a hypocrite
I don't much care what he has to say. He has proven what a shallow piece of craps he really is. Where was his conscience back when it might have carried any weight? It wasn't important then...and it isn't now.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:23 AM
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19. Seconded! n/t
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:16 AM
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4. If there's anything else you want to get off your chest, Colin...
...we're happy to listen. Something tells me you know a lot and, if you really want to make amends, start talking.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:20 AM
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6. The irony of the entire situation
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 10:21 AM by Horse with no Name
Is that this man had the makings of our first African-American President.
He would have won too.
Instead he chose to be a Bush whore.
A fine lesson here of what happens when you take the wrong path.
You want to assuage your guilt Colin?
Fine. But you also deserve a conviction here when it goes to the Hague.
You KNEW better. You KNEW what was up. Yet you DID NOTHING to stop it.
A willing accomplice in the eyes of the law.
Maybe if you divulge all of your secrets, they will be lenient on you.
But make no mistake, YOU are a war criminal. You aren't any better or any worse than the others. Don't fool yourself.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:30 AM
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7. Powell should have stopped when he was ahead.
A better statement would have been, "Bush needs to face reality."
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:34 AM
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8. Which means the IWR is NO LONGER OPERABLE. There is no mission for civil war
interference in the IWR. This needs to be presssed.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:06 AM
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12. IWR is not a binding resolution.
We haven't officially declared war since WWII. You'll notice we've still waged plenty of them.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:13 AM
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15. Warner during withdrawal debate said Bush will need a NEW resolution once Civil War
interference becomes the mission.

It was part of his senate floor exchange with Kerry and he promised to make it happen. We applauded it on the threads here blogging the senate debate.

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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:01 PM
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20. Okay, that's well and good and all...
But not only does the Senate have very little power over how the war is run, Warner is also no longer chair of that committee. Even if they are "required" to pass such a new resolution, I'm still unsure as to how it will be enforced, short of stopping funding for the war, which would be a disastrous political move.

True though, the debate will be very healthy, and I don't think they require Bush to label it a civil war for such a debate to occur. I just don't see that being the panacea for getting us out of Iraq.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:31 PM
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22. No, that part is understood - but it would really force a more serious look at
exitting BECAUSE of the reality of civil war. Warner will still be ranking memebr and it will matter to have his involvement on making this happen in any honest form.

I am trying to recall what exactly was said by Warner at the time, but I think he referred to some bylaw where America's military is not allowed to be involved in the civil wars of other nations.

Cspan has the debate archived, and I am going to have to dig it up at some point and shake the cobwebs a little.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:42 PM
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23. Well that would be increasingly interesting.
I didn't know about that bylaw about civil wars. I'd love to find out if that's true.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:48 PM
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25. Relying on memory here but it was the reason why there would have to be a new
vote to authorize a mission that included civil war.

That's about all I can offer until I track down the video or the transcript and I won't be able to get to that till later this afternoon.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:50 AM
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9. Ruh Roh! mini-mind is gonna be mad now!
Powell knew going into Iraq was a mistake. He should have spoken out PUBLICLY before now. :( He gets no pass from me on anything he says and does these days. He should be hanging his head in shame. The media would have listened to HIM had he spoken out against this illegal invasion earlier....while he had power.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:08 AM
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14. That simple really
To thefugging Hague along with the rest of the gang.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:17 AM
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18. Freepers too
I'm sure there will be tons of "Well I never trusted him in the first place" threads.
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Raiden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:57 AM
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10. Colin Powell is a liar and hypocrite who put loyalty before integrity
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 10:58 AM by Raiden
this is understood, BUT he still has incredible weight as far as the MSM is concerned--they cannot deny that the War in Iraq has descended into chaos and become a civil war if Colin Powell insists that that is the case.

That Colin Powell acknowledges that this is a Civil War is great news for the reality-based community! :-)
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:16 AM
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17. He's waiting for his immunity ...
then he'll spill the beans.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:58 AM
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11. Powell: write a f*cking book, dish deep and forget the mea culpas
too late for that.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:07 AM
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13. The dead don't get the luxury of regret
Just saying..

Fuck Powell
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:03 PM
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21. !!
:thumbsup:
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 04:54 PM
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26. But their families, parents, spouses will know nothing else.
Unfathomable regret. Our warthirst guaranteed that.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:47 PM
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24. Boston Globe link here:
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Chomp Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 04:55 PM
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27. Seriously, WTF was he thinking?.....nt
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