danny hoch exposes seinfeld....wow, this is eye opening!

[Gato Moteado]

an interesting little video by an actor who left the set of seinfeld:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8HfgFJnSCM&eurl=

[trumad]

1. Kick

K and R

[BuelahWitch]

2. They didn't even pay him for his time...

[BurtWorm]

25. OT: Nice avatar.

I used to love Kukla, Fran and Ollie's International Children's Film Festival. Sunday afternoons on CBS. One of the great lost shows of the 1960s.

[Sequoia]

27. Yes, same here. I liked the international films about children.

I was the only kid who got to watch this, all the others had to take naps.

[BurtWorm]

31. One more post off topic:

Skinny and Fatty (from Japan)and Hand in Hand (from Britain, about a Catholic boy and Jewish girl) are the two I remember most vividly. I can't imagine a network in this era setting aside an hour on a Sunday afternoon to show quality films made for children from around the world. We were lucky.

[devilgrrl]

33. Count me in as another huge (HUGH!!11!!) Kukla, Fran and Ollie fan.

My favorite was the one about the gypsy kid and the badger in Scotland and the one from Russia about the girl that wanted to play soccer.

[BurtWorm]

37. I vaguely remember the Scottish one, now that you mention it.

:sigh:

[Sequoia]

35. The one I remember is about a boy

who had to make an effort to be friendly to others so he'd have friends. I seem to recall it was from Japan or Hong Kong. So long ago.

[BurtWorm]

36. I think that's Skinny and Fatty.

I also remember an Italian movie about a boy and his donkey. And a Russian (Soviet) take on an O'Henry story.

[Sequoia]

58. You know them all. I'm jealous.

I know I've seem quite a few but I just don't remember them. TVLand should revamp these like on Sunday afternoon!

[BurtWorm]

66. That would be great.

:thumbsup:

[BuelahWitch]

83. This is a good Kukla, Fran and Ollie site

http://kukla.tv/ There is a forum there that discusses the Children's Film Festival as well.

[BurtWorm]

109. Excellent!

Thank you so much!

:toast:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

3. I knew there was a reason I didn't like Seinfeld

The few times I saw it, it always reminded me of some of the spoiled yuppie brats I knew at Yale.

[wuushew]

4. What better comedy was on tv during the same time period?

Probably only the Simpsons before Hartman died.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

7. I totally stopped watching TV comedy years ago

because they just didn't seem funny to me anymore. The Simpsons are still good, but that's about it.

[lpbk2713]

24. The only TV comedy I ever see even occasionally ....

is the evening news. I saw Katie Couric once and she ought to be given an award for best new comedy series. I used to like 60 Minutes now and then but now I turn it off whenever she comes on.

[Vidar]

12. Frasier.

[The Backlash Cometh]

19. That right-wing hack?

[Left Is Write]

61. Kelsey Grammer is not the only person on the show.

Nor the funniest.

The scenes with David Hyde Pierce and John Mahoney are worth the "price of admission."

[The Backlash Cometh]

82. True that.

One of the few spin-off shows that actually made it. The supporting cast was every bit as good if not better than that cocaine riddled Repub.

[Gregorian]

30. In Living Color

Seinfelt set off my bullshit detector. I know people who haven't missed a single episode. I never saw one.

[leftchick]

84. In Living Color!!

my all time fav!!!!



Fire Marshall Bill always reminds me of FL Sen. Bill Nelson.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

88. If you've never seen an episode, how could it have set off

your bullshit meter.

Oops, my bullshit meter just went off.

[devilgrrl]

39. The Larry Sanders Show

Funniest show ever!

[WernhamHogg]

110. 3rd Rock

3rd Rock from the Sun!

:yoiks:

[madrchsod]

8. that pretty much sums up the show

the difference between larry david`s and seinfeld`s writing and direction is very obvious. i don`t think seinfeld got the joke

[The Backlash Cometh]

20. I think Seinfold understood.

His friends were flawed in every possible way. Costanza's character was incredibly selfish & Kramer may have been borderline racist, but definitely insensitive in general.

You know, if Michael was a real racist, he wouldn't be making this much public contrition. I hope we all don't go right-wing on him, the way the right-wing never forgave Clinton for lying about the Lewinsky matter.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

86. Is that a bad joke?

Richards is certainly a racist. His half assed apologies are just a way of staying in the lime light.

And what the fuck's this got to do with Clinton?

[The Backlash Cometh]

97. I have a question.

Forget about this being a debate about whether Michael's is a racist or not. I'll give that one to you. But assuming he is, and he's asking for forgiveness, are you going to do to him what the right-wingers did to Clinton? They never forgave him for it. Are you going to do the same thing to Michael?

The parallel is very apparent. Should require no special explanation.

[Alexander]

98. Clinton never used the N-word. Don't be silly.

If a couple of black guys piss you off, would you retaliate by using such language, repeatedly?

And then not apologize, or care, until the whole thing becomes public, broadcast all over the country?

It boggles the mind how many (supposedly liberal) DUers are bending over backwards to not call what Richards did "racism".

[The Backlash Cometh]

102. Excuse me, I already gave you the point. I'm not arguing whether he

is or not. It's not relevant to what I'm trying to get at so you win that argument. Here, I'll make it clear, "He is a racist and what he did was racism because you say so." Now, let's move on to what I wanted to know. If this man does come and make a public act of contrition, would you forgive him? OR are you saying that anytime a man or woman uses the "N" word, he wears the Scarlet Letter forever?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

21. No, I don't think he got it either.

Seinfeld was a sitcom about a hack comedian. Nobody told Seinfeld.

[fishwax]

85. haha

:rofl:

[Warpy]

15. That's IT

I knew there was a reason that show was like fingernails on a blackboard.

I just thought it was because I was too old to relate to the current version of "hip."

Turns out I was just too far ahead of them in too many ways.

[maxrandb]

49. Never liked the show. It was the Limbaugh effect

They promote it enough and tell you "everyone is watching", or "listening"...and the next thing you know...everyone is.

They were calling Limpballs the "most popular man on radio" when he was only on 20 stations.

[amitten]

17. Well, it was supposed to. I read an interview with Seinfeld where

he talks about deliberately making the characters selfish, childish and annoying.

That part was on purpose.

[The Backlash Cometh]

22. Of course it was.

An early modern satire.

[EFerrari]

48. I could never watch a minute of either "Seinfeld" or "Married with Children"

Why watch obnoxious people on purpose? I just didn't and still don't get it.

[ieoeja]

57. To laugh at them.

I wasn't interested in Seinfeld at first for the same reason. I work with idiots like that. Why would I then go home and watch them. Finally I discovered how much fun it was to go home and laugh at them.

[mondo joe]

64. I think some people have confused virtue with humor.

I also think some people can't acknowledge their own selfishness, so of course they can't laugh at it - hence all the "no one to identify with" complaints.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

63. Oh, my "Married with Children"--yuck

The street kids used to watch it in the center where I volunteered, and all I could think was that maybe it reminded them of their horrible parents.

[bagimin]

104. Seinfeld, funny. Married with Children, not funny...

big difference.

[T Wolf]

5. very interesting....

let's see what, if any, reaction comes from the Seinfeld camp.

and what, if any, reaction comes from the public. we know that many are able to ignore that which does not fit their world view.

maybe there really is no reality and we are all figments of our own imagination.

[Beelzebud]

6. Sounds like a failed actor trying to get some payback for losing a role to me...

Sorry. I don't believe the guy.

"Maybe if they would have paid me, I wouldn't be telling you this story now."

That statement sealed the deal.

[thereismore]

10. no, that statement was added for comedy. nt

[Beelzebud]

13. If that is a sample of his comedy stylings, I can see why Seinfeld didn't hire him.

[hlthe2b]

32. To be honest.. he comes off sort of obnoxious to me too...

I imagine the "truth" lies somewhere down the middle?

At any rate, Seinfeld was never a favorite for me. It certainly wouldn't surprise me if his story was accurate. On the other hand, I do adore Curb Your Enthusiasm with Larry David, which puts the spotlight on racism, bizarre use/misuse of religion and every other imaginable issue that offends SOMEONE... Seems that he gores everyone's goats, so maybe that is why he gets by with it?

[NYCGirl]

34. I've been at lots of auditions and read-throughs where I was asked to play a

character in a number of different ways. It's often done to either scope out the character better OR to test the actor's ability. Sounds like this guy couldn't cut it.

[GumboYaYa]

46. You clearly do not know who Danny Hoch is.

He is one of the most progressive, astute commentators on American society in entertainment. He is also a very successfull independent artist who has not sold out to big media despite numerous opportunities to do so for big bucks.

Here is a review of one of his shows:

http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A13954

Through his characterizations, Hoch strongly argues against war (and the government’s motivations, methods, and abuses of its citizens), speaks out against corrupt and brutal police (one character says he’d rather go to jail than depend on them for protection), and rails against American tourists (a little too clichéd and obvious, even though the point is a good one). If you ever find yourself saying “if you don’t like this country then get the hell out,” chances are you will rigorously dislike this show. But perhaps you’d hear some things that might move you a little, to try to make America better. Sorry — even better.

Within and aside from the political invectives, Hoch has crafted characters that show his genuine care for other humans, especially the forgotten, those living on the fringes of society.....

[oasis]

72. Thanks for the link. Information is a DUer's best friend.

:thumbsup:

[Javaman]

73. I haven't watched the video but...

having worked on sitcoms as a camera asst. and having worked on commercials in every facet, I know for a fact that any actor working on a union set gets paid period. Unless this guy was fired or left under his own free will, he wouldn't immediately get paid, but never-the-less he would still get paid at some point.

SAG (screen actors guild) has a lot of power out there and if an actor didn't get paid, a simple call to SAG would solve the problem.

No producer worth their salt doesn't want to ever get out of favor with SAG. just a fact of life.

So as far as this actor saying he never got paid, I find that total and complete bullshit.

at the time SAG minimum was 450.00 for a speaking part with a close up. regardless if he was cut from the episode. And if he had a speaking part he would be eligible for residuals.

And on that, SAG is probably one of the most racially enlightened entities around. May not have always been but they are now.

big time bullshit alert.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

81. Thanks for injecting some real-life facts into the discussion

"Any actor working on a union set gets paid period."

Yup. And I don't think Seinfeld was shot in FL. ;)

Nobody responsible for the kind of money a hit sitcom represents would risk a conflict with SAG by screwing over a onetime hire.

[Starlight]

77. He didn't get the role. It was over a decade ago. It's time he got over it.

[TroglodyteScholar]

91. Um...that's what's called HUMOR...

He was making a joke. You can tell because he laughs (as does the audience).

Sheesh............

[thereismore]

9. woot for Danny "the pool guy". nt

[Karenina]

11. Danny is for REAL.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[wryter2000]

14. Oh...my...gawd

:wow:

Because my dh couldn't abide sitcoms, I never watched the show. I used to think I'd catch up with it in syndication. I sure as hell won't now.

:wow:

[joeunderdog]

105. Comedy includes satire, stereotypes and irony of all types.

What's left? We can't completely sterilize humor. The fact that it ISN'T vanilla is what makes it...funny.

When a Jew makes fun of a Jew, does that make him an anti-semite? Are black men who use the N-word in their routines racist? It's everywhere. As long as it isn't mean-spirited, it's fine to not be PC.

[sweetheart]

16. busted!!

Ha, he's right on.

Something stinks in the TV studios of Television white america,
classism, racism, attacking somebody lower to feel upper.

Danny Hoch speaks from his inner truth there, and it has more power
than all of seinfeld's episodes. Best regards to him.

[radwriter0555]

18. Like I said.... show me all the people of color on Seinfeld & Friends...

*cough*

Show me any that weren't cast to derogatory stereotype and I'll get real happy.

I've also come across at least 3 other stories in the past week about richards calling women the big C word and going ballistic and being a very, very bad boy.

But you know what? Mel Gibson and Michael Richards will indeed work again, because even negative publicity is good publicity and the people in hollywood are no less racist than the rest of the world.

[suston96]

26. Show me, too....

Study the show and its characters and what they - the writers, and especially the co-creator of Seinfeld, Larry David, do to those four (and other) neurotic imbeciles characterized in those 200? or so episodes.

You want to add minorities - people of color - so that they can be ridiculed for almost 10 years ? Then we would all be on another thread arguing how come Seinfeld has been ridiculing people of color along with the main characters for all those years.

Watch Larry David's "Curb Your Enthusiasm" and learn something about the disturbed mind of this man whence the highly successful neuroses of his characters come.

But do go on. Especially those of you who have never watched the show. You are clearly qualified to critique what you have never seen.

[radwriter0555]

89. I worked in hollywood for some 20 years...

Just because they're rich and successful and nuerotic doesn't mean that they can't be closet racists like the rest of the planet.

Some of us are just pointing it out... we've been witness to it our entire lives. Some people are just catching on, which is great, and I suppose most are still just in denial.

We're all just who we are. There's still no excuse for racism...

If you don't like it, change it.. or change the channel.

[suston96]

96. Closet what?

If you have watched the show attentively, and many times over, you will find that all of the accusations here are baseless.

In fact, in one episode or another, every single topic presented here and on other threads the last few days, has been covered in one Seinfeld episode or another -

Never had a gay character? Gee, that's terrible. All the other TV sit-coms had gay characters while Seinfeld was running, eh? Not that there is anything wrong with that....

Larry David, Seinfeld's co-creator, plays out his Jewishness on Curb Your Enthusiasm as he did with his writing on Seinfeld with great enthusiasm and hilariously.

Sorry, there is no evidence of racism or anything of the sort on Seinfeld except in the eyes of those who condemn it while they admit they have never watched it. What a laugher !

[mondo joe]

56. There weren't any gay characters either. And yet I still think it's a funny show.

Oh, there was the gay who slept with Elaine.

Maybe I should get my panties in a knot over that.

Naaahhhhhhhh.

[hfojvt]

74. Plus George's ex-girlfriend and future fiancee Susan

was a lesbian for a while. A couple episodes. I think they said she 'became a lesbian' rather than calling her bisexual.

[mondo joe]

75. And then look at what happened to HER!

But I just can't get upset about it.

[deaniac21]

93. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[KamaAina]

94. Friends: Ross's -- and Joey's -- girlfriend Charly

A sexy African American paleontologist is hardly "cast to derogatory stereotype".

Seinfeld: um... er... ah... you may just possibly have a point there. Whenever I was on the Upper West Side, people came in all colors, shades and hues. On Seinfeld, you look around when they're supposed to be in public in NYC, and everyone's white. :wtf:

[mondo joe]

95. They've been listed on other threads.

Just look for them.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

108. I have a few from Seinfeld.

Mr. Morgan, George's African-American boss at one point. In fact, one episode has George fumbling over himself because he thinks Mr. Morgan looked like Sugar Ray Leonard, which offends Morgan. George then tracks down Joe, another African-American, in hopes of "connecting" with another African-American as atonement for his idiocy.

Both of those roles were not stereotypical in the least and actually presented a positive image for African-Americans.

There were also smaller roles for African-Americans, including Victoria Dillard as a social worker and another AA actor as the owner of the coffee shop the gang frequents.

There was also a positive role for a Native American woman once, as far as I remember.

If the show mocked anybody the most, it was white people, as represented by Jerry, George, Elaine and Kramer and their shallow, self-centered lives and actions.

[w4rma]

23. Hoch is a good man. I've always found the Seinfeld show to be shallow. (nt)

[Buzz Clik]

28. Never watched Seinfeld. Not one moment.

Did I miss anything? I'm getting the impression that it was a tv update of the original, radio version of Amos and Andy, but their racism took a different form.

[alfredo]

29. the guy's a good story teller.

you don't have to be real funny as long as you are entertaining. He was funny and entertaining.

[butterfly77]

38. Could someone tell me why this is important...

[Karenina]

43. It isn't.

:party:

[butterfly77]

44. Just as I thought...

[soothsayer]

40. I always forget that Seinfeld is a Scientologist. Not that there's

anything wrong with that.

[tcfrogs]

41. He is?

I've never heard that, I thought he was a practicing Jew.:shrug:

[soothsayer]

45. Heard a re-run of him on Howard Stern from years ago and he

was one then. Maybe he got over it:

'For a time in his life Seinfeld (who was raised as a Jew) was a Scientologist and as recently as 1993 he spoke positively of his brief stint as a Scientologist. In an interview he did for Playboy Magazine in October 1993 he said, "I learned a lot and I had a good experience with it." - incidentally, he made fun of Scientology in an episode of Seinfeld ("The Parking Garage").'

http://seinfeld.wiki.comedynetuk.com/yadda/Jerry_Seinfeld_(the_comedian)

[NYCGirl]

68. According to a few sources, he was briefly. But he considers himself a

secular Jew.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Seinfeld

[skypilot]

42. Quite frankly...

...I found the bit about "dirty, greasy, Mexican whores" in the script for "From Dusk til Dawn" more shocking than what he had to say about his experience with "Seinfeld". But then again I'm kinda in the mind to believe half of what I see and none of what I hear. When he got to the part about the "From Dusk til Dawn" script, he said that it said "something like...", so I'm wondering if that's what it said or if that's just the way he is remembering (misremembering?) it.

As another DUer on this thread has said, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

[Lerkfish]

47. its consistent.

seinfeld had an episode where Jerry was dating a native american...and SHE was the one who was over sensitive about remarks of his that sounded racist, it wasn't jerry's fault.

there was a dwarf character and a deaf woman, a bubble boy, etc.

they always had a problem dealing with their different ableness, it was their fault they misinterpreted things, they were overly sensitive.


yep, pretty consistent.

[Clinton Crusader]

50. Probably gonna get flamed beyond recognition....

BUT.

Many seem to be bemoaning the fact that there didn't seem to be many characters of color on Seinfeld. Where were they on Everyone Loves Raymond? Frasier? Cheers? Friends? (another group of immature, self absorbed brats living in Manhattan) I LOVE LUCY??? I don't recall ANY.

Seemingly, Seinfeld is being taken WAY too seriously. It's a sitcom about 4 neurotic, self-absorbed, immature, me-me-me characters who live in Manhattan. It was never presented as a PC show, that crosses all the T's and dots al the I's. Take it from me, Manhattan is overrun with these types of people. Young yuppies in their 30's who think the sun rises and sets in their own eyes.

George killed his fiancee; AND couldn't care less; he was out of the wedding, that's all he cared about. Equals= self-absorbed, immature, without any human conscience. That describes every one of them. That is what it's SUPPOSED to be about. If you've never lived, dated and tried to survive in Manhattan, you're seeing a small window into it on that show.

I'm in the minority obviously, but I love the show, always have. What Richards did is just hideous, but I love the CHARACTER Kramer.

flame away, I got the asbestos suit out of the cleaners...
:hide:

[Karenina]

53. I Love Lucy???

Ricky Ricardo??? It was an "interracial marriage" dude!!! HALLO!!!

[Finder]

62. No flames, I agree with you...

and must say Seinfeld, Sex in the City and other shows are like reality shows for anyone familiar with Manhattan culture.lol

[Karenina]

67. for anyone familiar with "lily-white" Manhattan culture.

There ARE those of us with another experience.

[mondo joe]

71. I agree. One of the funniest shows ever - and thankfully not concerned

with delivering moral messages, just laughter.

[Starlight]

76. You're correct, Seinfeld IS being taken WAY too seriously here. Some people don't "get" irony.

[Lisa]

99. "no hugging, no learning"

I thought that's how Seinfeld himself summed up the idea behind the show. Taking up from your point -- the characters all make the same mistakes, sabotaging themselves through ignorance, selfishness, and just plain stubbornness. They aren't nice people, and many of the stories were purposely made so viewers would squirm, remembering times when they'd been that petty or oblivious. The final episode ended with them all in prison, bickering about whose fault it was.

[madmusic]

51. Danny Hoch is damn cool, but seems to have a chip on his shoulder

A few months later, the film actually got made. But Searchlight kept stalling the release, saying that it had poor exit polls, that they couldn't tell if it was a comedy or tragedy (oh no!), that they didn't know how to market it. If you don't know how to market a film in 1999 about a white kid in Iowa obsessed with hip-hop, then you shouldn't be in the film business, should you?

Ultimately the truth surfaced by pure serendipity. A journalist friend of mine was flying first class from LA to New York and happened to sit next to someone from Fox's parent company, NewsCorp, who had a copy of Whiteboys under his arm as he sat down. Newscorp supposedly never meddles in Fox's film divisions. My friend naïvely asked him about the film and why he had the script--at which point an entire menu of Fox's censorship practices was revealed. Although Whiteboys wasn't violent by Hollywood standards, it contained scenes with white youth and violence in the same scene, and it was being reviewed by the NewsCorp folks to determine whether the film might garner protest, in the wake of the mass shooting in Littleton, Colorado. In addition, there was concern that white communities would be offended by the youth portrayed in the film. Hollywood never seems to question whether it offends black Americans by mocking them, or Latin Americans by clowning them, or Asian or Native Americans by ignoring them. But how dare we offend white Americans. What a crime that would be.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20000403/hoch

Every film is at the mercy of exit polls. That sucks, but it is a business, and there has to be a market for the film before it is worth the money to spend millions promoting it. And a lot of films get screwed after a tragedy. Some were held because of 9/11. He's a got some good points about Hollywood, but also seems to resent it at the same time because he suffers just like everyone else does.

And I don't get his objection to Seinfeld: "Hollywood notwithstanding, Hoch is currently touring twenty-five cities with Jails, Hospitals & Hip-Hop, his virtuoso, street-savvy solo show. And Villard Books has just published the text of Jails, Hospitals and his previous show, Some People, in one volume, Onstage, this Jewish guy from Queens expertly trans forms himself into Latinos, black rappers, corrections officers, and Jamaican..." (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_kmesq/is_199901/ai_kepm171021)

If that's what he does, it's no wonder Seinfeld was surprised he refused this transformation. Doesn't Seinfeld use caricatures to mock stereotypes?

It sure looks like some are fishing for all they can to milk this for all they can.

[rinsd]

65. Whiteboys was seriously messed up

Its all about Iowa farmboys with serious anti-social tendencies playing the "gangsta" lifestyle they see on MTV.

So basically its a white guy playing the media portrayals of black people which are not complimentary.

[political_outcast]

52. VE SHALL ERADICATE ALL TRACES OF ZE RACISM FROM YOUR MINDS!!

Maybe we need like a system of re-education camps for white racists. And teams of diverse anti-racists to work on them until their minds are pure.

[political_outcast]

55. no, wait, I have another idea!

let's just get universal healthcare for ALL American citizens, paid for by progressive income and wealth taxation. How about that? And just leave people's thoughts alone? And just admit that most people are naturally racist, and leave it at that, and focus the liberal/progressive/leftist/Democrat agenda/platform/goals on these UNIFYING and DOABLE and WORKABLE areas? You know, like economic populism, like they have in Europe?

Of course, the rich people are not going to like that ONE BIT. But liberals/progressives/leftists/Democrats are not about pleasing the rich. Or ARE they? The rich sure like it when liberals/progressives/leftists/Democrats focus on those divisive social wedge issues, those unwinnable, unsolvable ones like Racism, cuz they know that as long as liberals/progressives/leftists/Democrats are on racism, we aint gonna have our grubby little paws on the wallets of the rich. And sure enuf, if you look at what liberals/progressives/leftists/Democrats say and do, they don't seem too enthused about economic populism topics like universal healthcare. But Racism? Oh, they LOVE that! They are ALL OVER that! Well, I should say FAKELeftists are all about racism, instead of economic populism. TrueLeftists are all about economic populism. Too bad they are none in America....


Hmmm...maybe that's why the rich support all these so-called Leftist (actually FAKELeftist) nonprofits here in America. I would be interested to know if that video about Seinfeld that we see above was generated by a nonprofit. The nonprofits are how the rich control the ideology of the Left.

[ecstatic]

54. All the evidence I need

My original hunch about KKKramer and Seinfeld was absolutely right. Birds of a feather flock together. F 'em!

[NYCGirl]

59. Here's the resume of the guy WHO GOT the part, Carlos Jacott:

Very impressive.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0415070/

[skypilot]

60. Interesting.

So maybe Hoch IS only telling the story because he didn't get paid. And he didn't get the part.

[Karenina]

69. So they took Danny's advice, eh?

:evilgrin:

[NYCGirl]

70. Well, they did hire an actor.

:evilgrin:

[Karenina]

78. You bring up an interesting point.

Some actors will refuse roles that clash with their core values. Is that a bad thing? Danny was not the stereotype they wanted and it clashed with his sensibilities to degrade another group to fulfill their requirements, although they obviously felt at first HE would "fit in" with them better. So they DID take his advice and found someone whose buttons were not pushed by their requirements. Danny 10. Seinfeld Group, 1 episode. Hope the guy got his money in a timely fashion.

[NYCGirl]

79. It's called "creating a character" — and there are good and bad and silly and

smart people in all ethnicities.

If this guy had a problem with playing the character, that's his problem, and he was right in turning it down. That said, his "whining" about it and trying to make it out as a racist situation is crappy and unprofessional. But then it does seem to be a large part of his standup act.

[Karenina]

80. I don't perceive him as "whining."

He's telling his story to some inmates of a prison. We ALL, in today's world, have our prisons.

Maybe you, too, would "fit in" with the Seinfeld crew! Surely they'll create new opportunities you could audition for! :silly:

[fishwax]

101. whining?

He's hardly whining. He's telling a story. I don't perceive it as whining at all.

[Lerkfish]

111. Why have anyone represent an ethnic group they don't belong to?

its not like there's a shortage of quality hispanic, asian, or eastern indian actors looking for work.
Yet frequently television and hollywood do just that, have someone pass themselves off as a group they don't belong to.
I don't blame the actors, I blame someone who thinks "I don't want an eastern indian actor to play this part, I want to darken the skin of a white actor and have him imitate an indian", like in Short Circuit. Or having Joel Gray pretend to be south korean in Remo Williams.
They pretend its to show the range of the actor, but instead I see it as a role that could have been played by a real korean actor. In fact, its just jarring when they do that.

[Fonde Ombre]

87. I don't need to watch a video to know Seinfeld's an asshole!

Anybody with the slightest insight knows that, Larry David is the only reason that show was successful, on the plot-ingenuity level.
I've never seen Seinfeld funny on his own. He's the tasteless wafer that you spread the comic substance on.
The 'substance': Jason Alexander, Michael Richards, Julia Louis Dreyfus --where just as pathetic and inept without David's guidance.
The "Seinfeld Curse" was that, only the shows creator (Larry David) had a sustainable talent in his own right.
All you creeps who want to slam David's shows as "racist" before you know what your talking about, are a bunch of reactionary, prejudiced nitwits.
You just use cliches like 'Amous & Andy' to denigrate something you've never seen. And you've probably never even HEARD 'Amous & Andy' before!
If the Neo-fascist-Con's don't destroy this country, you slobbering Politically Correct goons will.
Bill Cosby is not someone I've ever found funny (in my lifetime), but he was right about one thing: there was more outright racism on the WB channel for a stretch, then there was on all the major networks put together.

Can't we live in a world where Larry David, Ellen Degeneres, George Carlin, Chris Rock, and Margaret Cho -all join hands, to make some of us mortals laugh, some of the time?- as it is highly wrong-headed to think of comedy in Tribalist terms.
Now I'm not advocating we allow the likes of Carlos Mencia in this sacred rainbow circle of mirth.
We have to draw the line somewhere.

[ecstatic]

100. "was more outright racism on the WB channel for a stretch"

"...then there was on all the major networks put together."

If you're referring to their string of cheesy black shows, I tend to see it as their SHAMELESS USING of minorities to build up the network. As soon as they generated some cash, all those black shows were immediately canceled to make room for Dawson's Creek, etc.

[zreosumgame]

90. I mostly yawned. he obviously has made it his career now

to talk down Sienfeld. I don't know, did he walk off or was he tossed off for being an asshole? He had the script, he tried it one way, and the director (the guy who, you know DIRECTS things) asks im to try it another way and he starts shouting racist at them? Do keep in mind we only have his little speech he seems to be giving in lots and lots of places, in EXACTLY the same words and motions, so it is patently an ACT, and only his side.

[kitkat65]

92. "Jerry Sienfeld is the devil!"

If life ever imitates a sitcom, nine times out of ten it's a Sienfeld episode.

:rofl:

[jobycom]

103. One guy's artistically crafted opinion doesn't open my eyes

I know nothing more nor less about Seinfeld than I knew before watching the video. Sounds like Danny Hoch auditioned for a role and didn't get it. He tries to imply he was given the role and was filming it, but that's not what it sounds like from the story he tells. It sounds like he auditioned in front of the actors, and the part was given to another actor, who may have been reading for the part at the same time. The other actor was Hispanic, so that might explain why Hoch didn't get the part.

I'd be more inclined to take his story at face value if it wasn't so carefully crafted to make him look cool. We all know tv and Hollywood is a disgusting morass of racial and gender stereotypes. What I don't know, and what this clip tries to tell me but really doesn't, is whether Seinfeld himself crassly promoted these stereotypes for his show. There isn't enough of the full story there, and parts of it seem purposely vague. Did the conversations happen the way he claims? In that order? Were there explanations left out to explain why they wanted a "Spanish" accent?

All I really get from this clip is that Danny Hoch is a bit hyper, that he can put together a good story, and that he "gets it" about racial stereotypes. I didn't really learn anything about Seinfeld.

One thing I'm left wondering: Hoch goes through a lot of trouble to claim he checked up on the show, implying he wouldn't take a role in a show that didn't meet his criteria of not "selling out." I wonder if this whole tirade is more of an attempt to explain away why he even auditioned for the show, so he doesn't have to look back on the incident as a time he tried but failed to sell out. Kind of sour grapes, like "Oh yeah, well I was just about to walk out of your stupid little show anyway." That's a mentality I see a lot in people who think they are superior for liking indie, low budget stuff.

Or maybe it happened just like he said. Dunno.

[brettdale]

106. On the other hand seinfeld day actors

I have read interviews with other "day actors" people who acted on maybe one episode of seinfeld and they all said it was brillant and they were treated so right, and it was not like being an extra on other sitcoms, THEY SAID that the Seinfeld cast and crew really looked after them.

I mean that guy came across a satire, it was liking watching a cross between Eminem (bitching about his childhood) or The Simpsons Episode where Krusty decided he didnt want to be a sell out and wouldnt adveRtise products.

It didnt come across as real, I think Danny Hoch whoever he is, needs to work on his act a bit, the shots of the crowd looking stunned when he said the seinfeld stuff was embrassing.

NO SOUP FOR DANNY!

[hsher]

107. He's telling the truth about Tarantino's script Dusk Till Dawn

I dated Quentin for a year and I have seen that script. It 100% did say that. I don't know about the rest of what Danny Hoch is saying, but if he's being true on that one small item chances are he's being straight-up about the rest. I've also gotten the whispers, "Can you write so and so more ghetto? Can you make so and so more black?"

Say what you want, he's for real. Brave actor. Wish there more like him.

PS: Danny Hoch IS Patrick Fitzgerald in the Academy Award-Nominated Film... ___________________?
Anyone?

[Lerkfish]

112. you dated Tarantino?

my impression is that he's an egotistical assclown.
I hope your partners improved after that.

:)