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Clinton Crusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:02 PM
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Poppy Stunned When Told By Crowd That: "We Do Not Respect Your Son"
President Bush's father was forced into an emotional defense of his son yesterday in the Persian Gulf when an Arab audience launched a blistering surprise attack on his first-born.

"We do honor Americans, and I believe that they are highly respected in our country. However, we do not respect your son, and we do not respect what you are doing all over the world," college student Nevine Al Rumeisi told the former President at a leadership conference in the United Arab Emirates.

Her comment was roundly cheered by the business and political leaders gathered in once pro-American Abu Dhabi.

The elder Bush just looked stunned.

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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:03 PM
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1. K & R
:kick:

The title of the article is hilarious: "Pop rocked by criticism of W, U.S.A."

Poor widdle Poppy! :rofl:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:09 PM
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2. Does this imply that the rest of the world still believes that the head
of one of the most powerful crime families on earth is a "stand-up guy"? I would hope they would have caught on by now.
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Hoosier Dem Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:10 PM
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3. Poppy is easily stumped...
Remember back in 1192 when he was amazed by theat new gadget, the supermarket scanner??

This man is NOT exactly a member of MENSA.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:12 PM
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6. K&R for this is going to be a fun thread n/t
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:22 PM
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10. Wow! 1192? Is he that old? LOL! And yes I remember, so I guess I'm that old, too.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:26 PM
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17. Technology sure has slowed down since 1192.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:29 PM
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24. Yes, but some things never change
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 01:22 AM
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55. Yeah, like the Crusades n/t
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 01:42 AM
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105. LOL...gotta love the way you DUers riffed on that "1192" n/t
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 01:00 PM
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32. he claims it was a new fangled scanner that did
something the other ones don't
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Hoosier Dem Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 01:58 PM
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37. SORRY< 1992!!! Guess I can qualify for the "Bush MENSA Award"
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Zech Marquis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 10:24 PM
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102. it worked out anyway
The way Poppy and * have fucked things up for us, it certainly felt like 1192 :rofl:
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 04:14 PM
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41. It certainly felt like 1192 when Bush I was in office.
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 11:54 PM
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53. Welll.....1192 is pre-Magna-Carta....which means it must now be...
the year 1206!
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:12 AM
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70. Does that mean it will take another nine years to restore Habeas Corpus?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:15 AM
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72. 1192????? Man is that guy old. And so are supermarkets and
and scanners I guess.

Sorry, I just couldn't resist. I've done that myself (made a typo) and it turned out to be hilarious.

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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:11 PM
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4. Do you get the sense of "Falling Down"?
In that movie, Michael Douglas plays an employee of a defense department contractor. All his life, he's played by what he thought were the rules, and his life has just gone to pot. Douglas gets caught in a traffic jam on an L.A. freeway on a hot summer's day, and he just sort of loses it. He abandons his car on an on-ramp and starts walking across the city. As his story unfolds, you find out that everything has just gone to hell for him. At the end of the trail, the end of the day, he's confronted by Robert Duvall, playing the standard-issue cop who's about to retire, who draws down on Douglas. By this time, Douglas is completely bewildered by everything that's happened, and how has it all come to this: Looking down the barrel of a cop's gun and wondering "How did I get to be the bad guy?"

Poppy kind of reminds me of that sick, pathetic character, who's only now starting to wonder "How did I get to be the bad guy?"
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:24 PM
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14. I think he was always bad. Iran Contra, for one. He had a brain and he wasn't foolish like * but
he's no picnic. And look who he's married to. And every last one of their children is a stinkin criminal.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 01:22 PM
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33. No argument, this is one font of evil in the world
But I think that Poppy has always been convinced that he's on the side of the angels, and that his entire career has been one unending build-up of his resume for the forces of truth, justice and the American way. I think it truly shocks him that there are people (not his political foes, but ordinary people) who see his life and his work as one long obscenity of oppression.
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PADemD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:05 AM
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68. Doro, too?
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darkmaestro019 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 10:30 AM
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65. I read this and wanted to post that I
Edited on Thu Nov-23-06 10:33 AM by darkmaestro019
am in the weird position of feeling sorry for Bush I, and it seemed to fit better as a reply to you.

This makes me sad. He deserves it, I guess, but I cannot imagine, being the father to those two revolting monsters.......it's just sad. I'm not real fond of ANY Bushes period, but this....moves my loathing into, pity....

Can you imagine BEING them, any of them? Surely somewhere deep inside they're trapped and horrified to be what they are. At least, I hope so. And not in a sadistic way. In some kind of way that hopes that there's a real soul in there that feels, just as you said. "How did I get to be the bad guy?"

EDIT: Because if there's not, not to be all Star Trek about it, then I'm afraid there's no farking hope for humanity......
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 03:16 AM
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107. Not two, three

I see THREE revolting monsters!

You gotcher Jeb, you gotcher Neil, and of course, everyone's favorite, George jr. Slimebags, every one of them, and if Bush The Elder couldn't find a way to raise even one out of three to be a non-slimebag, then there's something wrong with his parenting.

I can't imagine being them. For starters, I can't even begin to imagine being that rich. I can't imagine being so connected. I can't imagine being on the inside of the major deals that affect foreign and economic policies of the USA, behind the scenes. I can't imagine being the head of the CIA, or the deserter who became president, or the Castro-hating governor of Florida, or the son who got his parents to manipulate the Katrina victims' education relief fund so it required purchases of his company's software. I can't imagine being a mother, let alone the vicious bitch of a mother who raised those nasty amoral kids.

No can do. Being a father myself, I can imagine feeling some shame if my son were to become one of the mosted hated men alive -- but that would be because of remorse for the damage done to the planet and its inhabitants, due at least partly to my poor parenting. That idea just doesn't occur to Poppy. Hell, he's still struggling to come to grips that the notion that his namesake is hated at all.

"It's gotta be the help," he thinks. "Here son, have some of my advisors."

Pity is wasted on the Bushes.
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 05:54 PM
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112. don't forget Marvin
he was running the security at the world Trade Center till 9-10-01`
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-25-06 06:34 PM
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115. Except he wasn't...nt
Sid
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:53 AM
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77. That was a pretty good movie
but the ending was a little weak. I felt like it didn't emphasize enough that Michael Douglas' character was a bad guy throughout the movie. It was kind of like a Charles Bronson movie except for the ending where the "hero" turns out to be the bad guy.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:12 PM
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5. I don't even know where to begin.
Just about every word out of his mouth was the wrong one. This statement almost sounds like a threat:

"It takes a lot of guts to tell a father what you said about his son when I just told you that the thing that matters to my heart is my family"

It takes a lot of guts? Is he going to send Homeland Security after that person for saying something negative about Junior?
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:18 PM
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7. "Arab audience voices what Americans think"
should have been the headline. My question: why does it take statements by people in other countries to bring home the truth to these twits?

He was "shocked".

Well, duh!

Hey George Sr., knock off the anal-cranial inversion, and discover what the world thinks of your fine little son!
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 01:31 PM
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36. It takes the Arabs to say it because
Poopy and Son never allow themselves to be with actual Americans who haven't been vetted to be 'perfect' and compliant 'Publicans.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:56 AM
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79. Once again they deny the value of polls. But, poppy, it is us the
people you & *ss are supposed to be serving that answer those polls. If you do not pay attention then you will just have to live in your fairy story. By the way does *ss "read" his mail? That is us writing to him to let him know what we think of him.
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PADemD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:11 AM
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69. You have to realize
that Poppy and Babs always sat with Jr. and the adoring audiences set up for photo ops. Of course, he's shocked.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 01:48 PM
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90. Clearly Poppy hasn't spent any time on DU.
He probably only watches FAUX News and is well-shielded from reality by the Secret Service. Imagine how he'd feel if he read junior's poll numbers in THIS country and spent a half hour on this website. His handlers would have to sedate him.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:19 PM
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8. How could he be stunned?
How far up his ass is his head stuffed?
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 11:30 PM
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52. uummmmm . . .
.

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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 03:11 AM
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56. this is a guy who didn't know
what a checkout scanner at the grocery store was...
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:20 PM
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9. He deserves to hear the music.
Let him continue to do public speeches so he can face the music.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:22 PM
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11. What did you expect him to say: Take a ticket and get at the end of the line?
Edited on Wed Nov-22-06 12:23 PM by no_hypocrisy
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:23 PM
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12. It is not what is said, it is the reaction to what is said. The Bush
legacy is over. They have formally been marginalized to commas.
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:31 AM
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75. Right
When I first saw the article I thought I couldn't believe it. After a few "Duhs". I thought the same as you. I think he figured Jeb would run for president and their family dynasty, albeit a corrupt one, would go on forever. The scanner incident was one of many that showed he had no clue of what America was really like. Babs is so out of touch with the real world, I have always suspected she came from beyond Pluto.

I think we can all agree that family is important and I agree that my family is the most important thing to me. However, I sure hope I have done a better job of installing values, morals, empathy and kindness better than Poppy. You can say and write anything you want. Actions speak volumes and if your words are hallow, don't be surprised when they come back and bite you in the butt.
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:24 PM
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13. Sure he's stunned! A lifetime of selling out America to countries/people like the...
...business elite of the UAE and THIS is the thanks that traitor gets???
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jpwhite Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:25 PM
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15. not surprised
A parent is not exactly an unbiased observer. I am not surprised at all. He needs to get out more and talk to people who aren't ultra conservatives.

James
jpwhite@okstatealumni.org

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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:55 AM
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78. as does his son. NT
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:25 PM
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16. Will Senior Be at Jrs Ranch This.....


.......Weekend....thats what I want to know??????.....
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:26 PM
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18. Surely this can't really be a surprise to him.
He knows his son is an idiot. He says his son isn't a liar, but deep down inside he knows he is. George Bush has been a screw up his whole life, and George H.W. Bush knows this better than anyone.

I wonder how often George H.W. has thought to himself, "Gee, if only I'd pulled out a little sooner..."

:rofl:
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-25-06 06:29 PM
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114. LOL! When I was at the national anti-war and anti-Bush rally
and march in October of '03, in Washington, D.C., there was a group of younger marchers who walked along chanting "Hey Bush, pull out! Just like your father should have!" Everyone they passed got a real chuckle out of it.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:27 PM
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19. Nothing from that blurb to indicate it's not still "pro-American"
less so than 8 years ago, I'm sure, but still.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:29 PM
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20. He's saying he is insulated and has his head in the sand, but I
Edited on Wed Nov-22-06 12:31 PM by higher class
find his words incredible.

People are waking up every day and the world has found it doesn't have to be meekly quiet in ratio to the crimes of imperialism perpetrated by those for whom little George is a front.

This is a Carlyle, Halliburton, Echelon world takeover consortium with many Boeings, GEs, Northrups, Bechtels. Exxons also profiting and controlling. He is the number one spokesperson for Carlyle - they are trying to buy off and take over the entire planet and he is stunned at the outspoken criticism of his son as President.

He is a master of lies from not knowing where he was on Nov 22, 1963 to not knowing about the Iran-Contra secret, sub-government that he presided over?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:29 PM
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21. Poppy was lucky that Barr wasn't there
She would have tried to rip that guy's head off.

"How DARE you insult my son! SECURITY!"



"Oh yea, that's the stuff. I'm a pretty girl. I'm a pretty girl."
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:13 AM
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71. talk about lipstick on a pig
what an ugly picture.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:29 PM
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22. When the king looked down from the Ivory tower...
he asked his assistant to take him down to ground level.

Upon arrival he was amazed that the people were the same height as he and that some were actually taller.

mystified by this, the king asked, "they really aren't the size of ants?".

-very old tale.

This explains moron senior's reaction to how much people around the world and not just in this country, total hate and loath that poor excuse of an offspring* he helped spawn.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:29 PM
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23. How DARE the unwashed masses tell us what they think..n/t
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kayice Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 08:24 AM
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109. No kidding on the D.A.R.E. part.
Why doesn't the MSM report about that crap? Disgusting.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:31 PM
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25. Bush is probably the first American President
to be scorned, looked down upon and viewed with distrust and suspicion by the entire free world. Think how the world use to look up to America as a bastion of truth. How sad for America right now and how humiliating for us.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:32 PM
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26. he seems to know it was coming
it looks to me like during his speech asked the audience not to vent their rage at him during the questions, knowing how much his son is hated all over the world:

His speech had stressed how proud he is of both his sons, the President and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, and how much it hurt him when they are criticized.
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KitSileya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 01:24 PM
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35. Doesn't he have 2 other sons? And a daughter?
Phrased like this, I guess Melvin and Neil (isn't that their names) aren't very important in the family. And to think, Neil is almost as big a screw-up as Dumbya - he must be seething that they chose his older brother for the figurehead.
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Sugar Smack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:28 AM
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74. Well.........."We'll always have Paraguay"
:rofl:
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:33 PM
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27. A bit of a reality check for poppy, it seems.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:35 PM
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28. Poppy's Like a Pedophile on His Death Bed
Still trying to tell himself how he was so much "kinder and gentler" to children.

But we should still lock him up for his Criminal Christmas Pardons in '92.

====
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 02:01 PM
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38. The Elite's have a very different view
//But we should still lock him up for his Criminal Christmas Pardons in '92.//

of reality than the masses. To Bush the pardons weren't criminal, they were business.

Sadly this mindset isn't limited to Bushco, it's the mindset of elites throughout the ages. They ultimately believe these things are necessary for the greater good, just like the mafia believes it's doing things for the greater good of it's neighborhoods by providing order.

The masses are allowed to exist in return for the order that the privileged provide, the fee that the elites charge are that they are allowed to go about their crimes and rackets unchecked. It's how things are done, it's how they've always been done. What's new in this equation is the incredible networking that the internet provides, the worldwide hive has now started to realize it has been kicked and how it's been kicked.

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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:54 PM
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29. We Don't Respect Him Either
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:56 PM
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30. What stunned him was that this occurred in an Arab country...
traditionally a fairly receptive place for him to peddle his bullshit. Heads will roll for this, literally.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:59 PM
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31. The Bush Family is the Most Hated Family around the World
Edited on Wed Nov-22-06 12:59 PM by stepnw1f
Gee... I wonder why?
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 01:24 PM
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34. "Another audience member said..American wars are designed to open markets for U.S. companies"

When another audience member said he thought American wars are designed to open markets for U.S. companies - drawing more cheers and whoops - Bush grew testy.

"I think that's weird and it's nuts," he said.

"To suggest that everything we do is because we're hungry for money - I think that's crazy. I think you need to go back to school."
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Little Wing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 02:11 PM
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39. It's not the statement that surprised him, I think. It was the people who said it.
His pals the Saudis.



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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:39 AM
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76. No, not the Saudis, different country entirely. Same fondness for thobes. NT
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 02:19 PM
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 04:17 PM
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42. Like father, like son.
Edited on Wed Nov-22-06 04:29 PM by Octafish
Both are lying, thieving, mass-murdering, warmongering traitors.
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Homer Wells Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 04:19 PM
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43. CLUELESSNESS
thy name is BUSH

:nopity:
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 04:20 PM
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44. Anybody got it on tape...
he is just as responsible since he has been telling him what to do all along...
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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 10:34 AM
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66. Please tell me that somebody put it up on YouTube..........n/t
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 04:20 PM
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45. Good. eom
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 04:42 PM
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46. "My son is an honest man."
GW Bush- High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

1. "A Crime Against Peace." Initiating a war of aggression against a nation that posed no immediate threat to the U.S.--a war that has needlessly killed 2550 Americans and maimed and damaged over 20,000 more, while killing over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women and children, is the number one war crime according to the Nuremberg Charter, a document which was largely drawn up by American lawyers after World War II.

2. Lying and organizing a conspiracy to trick the American people and the U.S. Congress into approving an unnecessary and illegal war. This is defined as "A Conspiracy to Commit a Crime Against Peace" in the Nuremberg Charter, to which the U.S. is a signatory.

3. Approving and encouraging, in violation of U.S. and international law, the use of torture, kidnapping and rendering of prisoners of war captured in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the course of the so-called War on Terror. Note that the Hamdan decision actually declares Bush to have violated the Third Geneva Convention on Treatment of Prisoners of War, which means the justices are in effect calling the president a war criminal. Under U.S. and international law, if prisoners have died because of such a violation--and many have died in illegal US captivity because of torture authorized by this president--the penalty is death (a point made to the president in a warning memo written by his then White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, the text of which is published in full in the appendix of our book).

4. Illegally stripping the right of citizenship and the protections of the Constitution from American citizens, denying them the fundamental right to have their cases heard in a court, to hear the charges against them, to be judged in a public court by a jury of their peers, and to have access to a lawyer.

5. Authorizing the spying on American citizens and their communications by the National Security Agency and other U.S. police and intelligence agencies, in violation of the First and Fourth Amendments and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

6. Obstructing investigation into and covering up knowledge of the deliberate exposing of the identity of a U.S. CIA undercover operative, and possibly conspiring in that initial outing itself.

7. Obstructing the investigation into the 9-11 attacks and lying to investigators from the Congress and the bi-partisan 9-11 Commission--actions that come perilously close to treason. (Former Florida Senator Bob Graham, who headed the Senate Intelligence Committee until his retirement at the end of 2002, has called this the president's most impeachable crime.)

8. Violating the due process and other constitutional rights of thousands of citizens and legal residents by rounding them up and disappearing or deporting them without hearings.

9. Abuse of power, undermining of the Constitution and violating the presidential oath of office by deliberately refusing to administer over 750 acts duly passed into law by the Congress--actions with if left unchallenged would make the Congress a vestigial body, and the president a dictator.

10. Criminal negligence in failing to provide American troops with adequate armor before sending them into a war of choice, criminal negligence in going to war against a weak, third-world nation without any planning for post war occupation and reconstruction, criminal negligence in failing to respond to a known and growing crisis in the storm-blasted city of New Orleans, and criminal negligence in failing to act, and in fact in actively obstructing efforts by other countries and American state governments, to deal with the looming crisis of global warming.

Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution. GW Bush April 2004
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 01:20 AM
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54. And, sad to say, he didn't get a BJ
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 05:30 PM
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47. Does he spend his entire life totally out of touch with the rest of
the world, including Americans and scanners at the grocery store and such? Are all members of the hyper-privileged similarly handicapped where simple Reality is concerned?
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 07:26 PM
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48. Not only did his son back away
but of course as we all know he went screaming to daddy so that all the bad meanies would leave him alone.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 07:36 PM
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49. Its because he thinks of himself and his family as Majestic.
He honest to god thinks hes a superior species compared to the commoners. Maybe one day he will realize that he is not genetically superior like he thinks he is....I suspect that if the bushes weren't rich, they would all be pumping gas, instead of dealing in it.

George Bush...your sons are fucking useless assholes, and your whole family are bunch of wanna be kings and queens. In reality your no more aristocratic then your friendly neighbourhood crack whore. Go choke on a pretzel.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 10:11 PM
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50. Was he stunned when Willie HORTON raped DUKAKIS? n/t
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 11:12 PM
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51. They have such a God complex.
Shame on the Bushes and everyone who thinks the world owes them a lifestyle.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 03:48 AM
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57. Poppy is Van Gogh in reverse
Poppy, born with a silver foot in his mouth, has lived long enough to see the Bush family legacy getting kicked in the ass and stomped into the ground.

Meanwhile, Van Gogh, destitute, died before selling a single painting, today has a museum in Amsterdam named after him and is honored and respected all over the world.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 08:06 AM
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58. Stunned you say, well how can someone who can't evaluate the
sensibility of toilet paper be stunned at anything? Dee dee fucking dee. Apples around the apple trees.
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Felinity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 08:13 AM
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59. Love your sig line!
Back to topic:

I hope this little bump (pun intended-father & son ties) in the road for the BCF doesn't mean we can't look forward to Jenna or Barbara as President. I'd love to see that.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 08:35 AM
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60. Poppy has been out of touch with Reality,,
for such a long time, he doesn't realize people around the world are able to distinguish between America and GWB. The students at the conference made the point, we like Americans but do not like your son and his policies. Their comments were most rewarding to Americans living under this tyrant's rule.
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WyLoochka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 08:37 AM
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61. The old guy is so weird

Did he expect to ward off any criticism by telling them that his son - family is all that matters to his "heart"?

"It takes a lot of guts to tell a father what you said about his son when I just told you that the thing that matters to my heart is my family"

Well, GWH - our country, which has been thoroughly disgraced by your son, and peace in the world matter much much more to our "hearts" than what matters to your "heart."

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lanlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 10:11 AM
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62. up yours, poppy
Edited on Thu Nov-23-06 10:11 AM by lanlady
"My son is an honest man, he is working hard for peace, and how come everybody wants to go to the United States if the United States is so bad?"

Notice how he tries to turn criticism of Junior into a "why do you hate America" routine. Typical.


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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 10:14 AM
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63. They hate us, but I betcha they'll take our jobs.
:shrug:

Time for us to make our own jobs again, there is no alternative.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:56 AM
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80. The topic is the hatred of BUSH, not the American economy.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:57 AM
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81. (Oops---wrong thread place.)
Edited on Thu Nov-23-06 11:58 AM by WinkyDink
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 10:26 AM
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64. This is the way the real world views the Bush clan, Poppy
Like it or not.
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:05 AM
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67. That family is truly disgusting...
...and needs to be removed from the halls of power permanently and by any means necessary.
Their evil spans generations and knows no bounds.
We need to be vigilant and make certain that none of them ever gets near the levers of power again!

Here's a little light reading for y'all:

http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm#Table

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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:26 AM
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73. I'm speechless and all I can do is
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:59 AM
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82. Poppy isn't surprised at the TRUTH; he's shocked that the BFEE's
facade has been pierced.
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 12:01 PM
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83. Why is criticism of Bush reported as anti-American?
I hate it when the press reports criticism of Bush in other countries and then labels it as anti-American or says the country used to be pro-American until its citizens became anti-Bush. I've complained to WaPo about this in the past and they've changed the online versions of articles in response. This conflation of Bush with America is something we have to watch out for.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 12:02 PM
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84. Poppy must be as stupid as his idiotic son.
Diebold just changed to outcome of the last three elections, it didn't make people blind, deaf and dumb. Not even the corporate MSM could do that. We still smelled the giant rat in the White House.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 12:03 PM
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85. Ok one thing on this
he is a father, and I beleive he was actually stunned.'

His comments about the US... lately I think people are having second thoughts about this country around the world.

Oh and Poppy is the one who needs to go back to school. Yes, our wars are resorce wars meant to open markets, they are COLONIAL wars
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 12:42 PM
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86. Reality just slapped hubris in the face. Thank you, Nevine. n/t
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mwar Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 01:03 PM
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87. Uh oh!
Looks like Abu Dhabi just joined the Axis of Evil!

Bush the lesser from his next SOTU: "The Abu Dhabians hate us for our freedoms."
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 01:27 PM
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88. Could it be that Pappy Bush really does not know how politically...
...unpopular and despised he and his despotic offspring really are around the world and yes even in this country? I think Shrub* knows, but Dubya just does not give a shit, which is what makes him that much more dangerous.
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wake.up.america Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 01:44 PM
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89. We have to separate Bush from "America" as profoundly as possible. Bush is NOT America.
Edited on Thu Nov-23-06 02:10 PM by wake.up.america
Those who hide behide the flag, as they support aggressive, destructive behavior, have to be recognized as individuals who do not support peace and general well-being.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 01:49 PM
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91. If he was stunned it means that he is out of touch as ever. That's why Clinton
beat him.;
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 01:58 PM
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92. Bushies are feeling the heat, - bad news when Poppy has to come out to defend junior
"A college student told Bush his belief that U.S. wars were aimed at opening markets for American companies and said globalization was contrived for America's benefit at the expense of the rest of the world."

The whole world IS watching the Bush's and the whole world isn't wrong!

An 82 year old former president must make the rounds to patch up the world's feelings about his most unpopular son, at his age he should caution not to get a heart attack in the process.
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wrate Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 02:08 PM
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93. In your FACE!!! n/t
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 02:38 PM
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94. Don't be shocked pops
when your whole life and all of your family's lives have been spent raping the US and the World, it is supposed to come back and bite you in the ass.

What about Kennedy and Wellstone?
:dem:
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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 03:11 PM
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95. I love the way they shift the topic to "family" when these world leaders are questioned.
I don't think the "family" bond between the father and son is at issue; but when it is used, as the Bushes do, to smokescreen the obvious failings of these two world leaders, then they get testy.
Screw them.
If you can't take the heat, stay out of the political fire.
The truth probably is that the Bushes have used their positions of power to aid their pals in the oil business and the manufacturing of war weapons, and of course, Haliburton and related firms that profit off of war, don'tcha think?
THAT SAID, it only stands to reason that the two felt compelled to take the U.S. into wars.
The cold war being over, there has to be some way to help their friends.

What do they take us for? Total idiots?



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Black Adder Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 04:19 PM
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96. Like father, like son
Both constantly appear surprised by events which are obvious to everyone else..
How did Americans ever vote these two dopes into the highest office? :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 04:51 PM
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97. This incident is significant for several reasons. (1) This took place in Abu Dhabi,
probably the most American-friendly and pro-western of the Arab nations; (2) It was a WOMAN that began the attack; (3) That it was directed at Poppy; and perhaps (4), it was widely reported.

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think4yourself Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 07:11 PM
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101. Sweet synopsis.
This is what it makes it so delicious. That a woman would look him in the eye and tell him the truth. Man, he needed that.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 05:17 PM
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98. Poor Poppy!
Just imagine how "hurt" and "stunned" are the fathers and mothers of the 2800+ brave Americans who died or the 100,000+ Iraqis who have died.

Sorry, I just can't feel sorry for him whatsoever!
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 06:15 PM
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99. I hear Hitler was quite a charmer too, Poppy.
Edited on Thu Nov-23-06 06:16 PM by TheWatcher
Go slither down to your South American Hidey Hole and live out the rest of your pitiful life in irrelevance, and take your murderous, no right to exist, White Trash, human garbage family with you.

The world has had quite enough of your Bullshit.
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think4yourself Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 07:09 PM
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100. Well said.
I'm so glad we got to hear this report. If the Bush Crime Family had ANY brains at all they'd all hunker down in the Undisclosed Bunker, ride the next 2 years out, and shut the fuck up. The world ain't buying the bullshit anymore. Paraguay awaits.
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demo_not_full Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 10:54 PM
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103. Wow...a good article there.
I remember when pappy was running against Clinton and how the young people hated him because he had "better" things to do than waste his time with petty debates with adolescents. He is very loathed. I am happy to see that the network of Anti-Bushies has finally come to the front line in America. This is and will be an interesting time.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 01:32 AM
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104. I think he was "shocked"
because he is not used to an audience calling a spade a spade. I think he also did not realize that, despite the media propaganda, people know the truth.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 02:24 AM
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106. pretty low when your old family friends turn on you ...eh, poppy?
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kayice Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 08:23 AM
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108. More people died because of Poppy than because of Jr. so far.
With the sanctions, depleted uranium (that we were not told about---affecting our troops and their offspring too.)all the victims in South America, and so on...this man is the axis of evil. Never mind his stint in the CIA and when he was VP, that part is probably the most hideous.

Junior, you can almost understand--they play him like a fiddle. He was picked by George Schultz, Condi and others, wasn't he?

Everyone should take another look at Poppy (the pedophile). He and evil Babs raised their boys, Poppy was rumored to be jealous of the Kennedys, and accused of "instilling" his sons. Plus the family ties to the Nazis.
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ordinaryaveragegirl Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 10:47 AM
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110. Poppy...out of touch since 1924!
It doesn't speak well to your parenting abilities if your children grow up to become liars and scum. (And worse yet if you actually defend and encourage that sort of thing!) I doubt that Poppy or Babs did much diaper changing and feeding...I'm sure they had nannies to do all that stuff. The idea of nurturing came later, it seems - like how to work that thing called "corporate greed" for one's own good. You know, finessing profit margins, seeking out tax loopholes, boosting your bottom line through any means necessary, that sort of thing.

What they don't seem to learn is the world is a little more well-versed than they think, we know crooked people when we see them! Even in "once pro-American" Abu Dhabi!


:applause: :applause: :applause:

Go Nevine!!! :D :D :D
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 10:58 AM
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111. Old Fart Bush lives in his Lasseiz Fairyland
Edited on Fri Nov-24-06 10:59 AM by Joe Bacon
He lives in the same dream world that his son does.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 07:18 PM
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113. It's urgent for Poppy & Cheney to talk to Saudi's as Iraq poses more serious threats to
the region. -- You have to wonder, why isn't Carter or Clinton doing chit-chats with the Saudi's ?? But Cheney And Poppy find it necessary to get things straight about jr. Bush being trustworthy...!
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codjh9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 12:56 AM
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116. What the hell is he SHOCKED about? Most of the WORLD doesn't respect W!!! n/t
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 06:59 PM
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117. Face the Truth, Poppy Bush: Your Cretin Son's Been a Very Bad Boy!
He needs to be spanked!
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FighttheFuture Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 07:55 PM
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118. He's still stunned form marrying Babs... after that lizard, all else is a fog!
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 09:19 PM
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119. The good cop,bad cop sham
both are war criminals.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 09:22 PM
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120. Why didn't they just say that they don't respect HIM?
After all he's got everything to do with it. People are so easily fooled.
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