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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:15 PM
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John Kerry is a wuss.
There, I've said it.

He may have gone to war decades ago, but nowadays, he's a big wuss.

Remember how Bill Clinton handed Chris Wallace at Fox his ass?

Kerry wimped out against Wallace.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/19/wallace-tormen...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:19 PM
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2. You expected him to go screaming and turning red
over chickenshit Wallace's pitiful attempt to force a three-week-old issue?

Kerry handled it perfectly!
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:24 PM
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5. If it was me?
I would have said, "You bring this stupid subject up again, and I leave."

Wallace is a big asshole, a disgrace to his father.
For Kerry to just sit there and take it, reminded me of how he sat back while the Smear Boat Liars For Bush threw their shit.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:40 PM
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14. Clinton had FIVE YEARS of pentup frustration over RW blaming him for 9-11 and
being weak on terrorism.

He FINALLY exploded after EIGHT BOOKS and 5 years of attacks on him that accused him of coddling Bin Laden.

But then, that's what happens when you make your deals with the Bush family to hold off criticizing the dimson for 5 years.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:21 PM
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3. you are an ass. there, i said it. does it make it true?
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 03:21 PM by seabeyond
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:23 PM
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4. So you would prefer to have a DEM
leadership that does exactly as Clinton does and has done? Ok. That's a plan.

:sarcasm:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 07:29 PM
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36. Kerry's self-control kept his crew ALIVE - Clinton's self-control got him IMPEACHED
Kerry's self-control and determination uncovered IranContra, BCCI< illegal wars in Central America and CIA drugrunning.

Clinton, himself, controlled the coverup of BushInc when he took office in 1993.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:10 PM
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38. Yes. Kerry has shown himself to be
committed to putting his country first before his own needs time and time again. He is true American hero. I don't understand why that is not more widely recognized and admired.
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:28 PM
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41. Clinton "controlled" the coverup of BushInc?
What does that mean; and why would he have done that?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 08:23 AM
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52. He claims in his book he only wanted Bush1 to have a 'peaceful retirement' but
that wouldn't explain why he kept up the coverup even as CIA drugrunning story came out in 1995.

Here's the price this nation paid for Clinton's decision to drop and downplay many outstanding matters reBush1.

Democrats, the Truth Still Matters!
By Robert Parry
(First Posted May 11, 2006)

Editor's Note: With the Democratic victories in the House and Senate, there is finally the opportunity to demand answers from the Bush administration about important questions, ranging from Dick Cheney's secret energy policies to George W. Bush's Iraq War deceptions. But the Democrats are sure to be tempted to put the goal of "bipartisanship" ahead of the imperative for truth.

Democrats, being Democrats, always want to put governance, such as enacting legislation and building coalitions, ahead of oversight, which often involves confrontation and hard feelings. Democrats have a difficult time understanding why facts about past events matter when there are problems in the present and challenges in the future.

Given that proclivity, we are re-posting a story from last May that examined why President Bill Clinton and the last Democratic congressional majority (in 1993-94) shied away from a fight over key historical scandals from the Reagan-Bush-I years -- and the high price the Democrats paid for that decision:

My book, Secrecy & Privilege, opens with a scene in spring 1994 when a guest at a White House social event asks Bill Clinton why his administration didnt pursue unresolved scandals from the Reagan-Bush era, such as the Iraqgate secret support for Saddam Husseins government and clandestine arms shipments to Iran.

Clinton responds to the questions from the guest, documentary filmmaker Stuart Sender, by saying, in effect, that those historical questions had to take a back seat to Clintons domestic agenda and his desire for greater bipartisanship with the Republicans.

Clinton didnt feel that it was a good idea to pursue these investigations because he was going to have to work with these people, Sender told me in an interview. He was going to try to work with these guys, compromise, build working relationships.

Clintons relatively low regard for the value of truth and accountability is relevant again today because other centrist Democrats are urging their party to give George W. Bushs administration a similar pass if the Democrats win one or both houses of Congress.

Reporting about a booklet issued by the Progressive Policy Institute, a think tank of the Democratic Leadership Council, the Washington Post wrote, these centrist Democrats warned against calls to launch investigations into past administration decisions if Democrats gain control of the House or Senate in the November elections.

These Democrats also called on the party to reject its non-interventionist left wing, which opposed the Iraq War and which wants Bush held accountable for the deceptions that surrounded it.

Many of us are disturbed by the calls for investigations or even impeachment as the defining vision for our party for what we would do if we get back into office, said pollster Jeremy Rosner, calling such an approach backward-looking.

Yet, before Democrats endorse the DLCs dont-look-back advice, they might want to examine the consequences of Clintons decision in 1993-94 to help the Republicans sweep the Reagan-Bush scandals under the rug. Most of what Clinton hoped for bipartisanship and support for his domestic policies never materialized.

Politicized CIA

After winning Election 1992, Clinton also rebuffed appeals from members of the U.S. intelligence community to reverse the Reagan-Bush politicization of the CIAs analytical division by rebuilding the ethos of objective analysis even when it goes against a Presidents desires.

Instead, in another accommodating gesture, Clinton gave the CIA directors job to right-wing Democrat, James Woolsey, who had close ties to the Reagan-Bush administration and especially to its neoconservatives.

One senior Democrat told me Clinton picked Woolsey as a reward to the neocon-leaning editors of the New Republic for backing Clinton in Election 1992.

I told that the New Republic hadnt brought them enough votes to win a single precinct, the senior Democrat said. But they kept saying that they owed this to the editors of the New Republic.

During his tenure at the CIA, Woolsey did next to nothing to address the CIAs politicization issue, intelligence analysts said. Woolsey also never gained Clintons confidence and after several CIA scandals was out of the job by January 1995.

At the time of that White House chat with Stuart Sender, Clinton thought that his see-no-evil approach toward the Reagan-Bush era would give him an edge in fulfilling his campaign promise to focus like a laser beam on the economy.

He was taking on other major domestic challenges, too, like cutting the federal deficit and pushing a national health insurance plan developed by First Lady Hillary Clinton.

So for Clinton, learning the truth about controversial deals between the Reagan-Bush crowd and the autocratic governments of Iraq and Iran just wasnt on the White House radar screen. Clinton also wanted to grant President George H.W. Bush a gracious exit.

I wanted the country to be more united, not more divided, Clinton explained in his 2004 memoir, My Life. President Bush had given decades of service to our country, and I thought we should allow him to retire in peace, leaving the (Iran-Contra) matter between him and his conscience.

Unexpected Results

Clintons generosity to George H.W. Bush and the Republicans, of course, didnt turn out as he had hoped. Instead of bipartisanship and reciprocity, he was confronted with eight years of unrelenting GOP hostility, attacks on both his programs and his personal reputation.

Later, as tensions grew in the Middle East, the American people and even U.S. policymakers were flying partially blind, denied anything close to the full truth about the history of clandestine relationships between the Reagan-Bush team and hostile nations in the Middle East.

Clintons failure to expose that real history also led indirectly to the restoration of Bush Family control of the White House in 2001. Despite George W. Bushs inexperience as a national leader, he drew support from many Americans who remembered his fathers presidency fondly.

If the full story of George H.W. Bushs role in secret deals with Iraq and Iran had ever been made public, the Bush Familys reputation would have been damaged to such a degree that George W. Bushs candidacy would not have been conceivable.

Not only did Clinton inadvertently clear the way for the Bush restoration, but the Rights political ascendancy wiped away much of the Clinton legacy, including a balanced federal budget and progress on income inequality. A poorly informed American public also was easily misled on what to do about U.S. relations with Iraq and Iran.

In retrospect, Clintons tolerance of Reagan-Bush cover-ups was a lose-lose-lose the public was denied information it needed to understand dangerous complexities in the Middle East, George W. Bush built his presidential ambitions on the nations fuzzy memories of his dad, and Republicans got to enact a conservative agenda.

Clintons approach also reflected a lack of appreciation for the importance of truth in a democratic Republic. If the American people are expected to do their part in making sure democracy works, they need to be given at least a chance of being an informed electorate.

Yet, Clinton and now some pro-Iraq War Democrats view truth as an expendable trade-off when measured against political tactics or government policies. In reality, accurate information about important events is the lifeblood of democracy.

Though sometimes the truth can hurt, Clinton and the Democrats should understand that covering up the truth can hurt even more. As Clintons folly with the Reagan-Bush scandals should have taught, the Democrats may hurt themselves worst of all when helping the Republicans cover up the truth.

Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at secrecyandprivilege.com. It's also available at Amazon.com, as is his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth.'

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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 06:35 PM
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89. thanks for the info
:kick:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:50 PM
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72. Oh no you didn't!
You sure did!

Ouch.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:25 PM
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6. bullshit. clinton is a better orator. kerry stances are much more brave than clintons ever were
that saying i love them both. but kerry has true courage. clinton does not.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:29 PM
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7. Yawn
Democrat bashing never gets tired around here. :boring:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:32 PM
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8. I'm shocked...you've always been a big supporter of Kerry on this forum.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:36 PM
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9. I do agree that Kerry is toast for 2008
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:39 PM
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25. Because he botched a joke line?
Interesting to me how the RW media always scrutinizes Kerry's remarks. I know of no other candidate who has had a mangled phrase get such airplay. I wonder why that is? My guess is that they think he's the guy who'll bust the BFEE wide open and they are doing everything in their power to neutralize his chances. Hmmm....I guess that makes me motivated to vote for him in the primary again.
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:38 PM
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33. Every knock is a break for John Kerry
Senator Kerry is a man with much class. He doesn't stoop to Wallace's level. I wish he wouldn't be on
that stupd man's show. He's be nowhere if his name wasn't Wallace. He's certainly not a thing like his
biological father.
After so much of this bull, people catch on and finally get enough. This last election was proof of that.
Thanks John Kerry for what you've done for our country. :hug: :patriot:
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 06:10 PM
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35. Republicans mainly Karl Rove just sit back watch and wait for Kerry
to say something they can make an issue of..The reason why Republicans are so damn good a propaganda and making a non issue an issue is because people gobble this shit up.(Democrats included)Thanks to the MSM the Repukes get their message repeated over and over and there again people believe this stuff.The Republicans fear John Kerry because they know they stole the damn election from him and there is no way they could defeat him in 2008.So they want to get started early at dissecting every speech he makes looking for something to use against him,if not now later on..Kerry is the best campaigner in the field of potential candidates and yes the Republicans know this.
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:24 PM
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39. INdemo, thanks for your reply
Democrats are getting really hung up on this propaganda; and it frustrates me so much. Anyone should know that John Kerry wouldn't knowlingly hurt anyone. He's a kind and gentle soul.
My husband wanted him to go after Wallace, but he did say, that Kerry has such restraint and class, that this might make Wallace look bad. He just couldn't move on beyond that foolishness/stupidity.

I remember full well when John Kerry was in Kansas City during his campaign, and the crowds were so
massive, there were people lined up for blocks; and nearly everywhere he campaigned, the crowds were
overflowing. He had larger crowds than any other candidate had ever had when he was in KC.

Of course, the republicans know he's a big threat to them, and as you say, they are just trying to
dis-credit him; that's why I don't understand whey our own side goes along with those crazy dipwad republicans/fascists. Have we come to a point where we hate our veterans? They are certainly treated
with disrespect by the media, if they are Democrats. :mad: :mad: :grr: :grr: :shrug: :shrug:

We need to focus more on this "disaster" that some insist on referring to as President.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 09:03 AM
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53. The man can make a 1000 speeches and 2 misstatements and get raked over the coals
while most other politicians can make 100 speeches containing 50 misstatements and get no scrutiny.

They've been doing this to Kerry since the Nixon White House and it became an institutionalized tactic by the Reagan-Bush years.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:24 PM
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58. And sadly, this is why we cannot risk another Kerry run
He is an honorable man, but you yourself have acknowledged that Kerry gets raked over the coals, by both sides. People just do NOT like him, for whatever reasons. We cannot afford to ignore the gut reaction people have when it comes to Kerry.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:39 PM
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60. It's not gut reaction - Gut reaction, you'd choose Kerry in a foxhole with you
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 12:41 PM by blm
over just about ANY OTHER DC Lawmaker. THAT is a gut reaction.

And YOU may be one to give in to rightwing lies and spin, but I do not. TRUTH needs to prevail, and I am no coward when it comes to TRUTH.

What the rest of you choose is YOUR deal, not mine.

You want another COVERUP Dem administration to let Bush2 get away the same way Bush1 did, then keep pushing away the few anti-corruption, open government lawmakers left.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:00 PM
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70. Another reason they're scared of him
They don't want some boy scout investigator getting in to the White House and snooping around. God forbid he should find something.

Would they be afraid of him if they thought he was a wuss?
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:26 PM
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48. I don't really care what you think. It isn't over till it is over and if Kerry wants to try again
it is alright by me. You may be eating that old toast in 08.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 05:30 PM
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82. Nah.....
I bet there are many people that wish they had voted for him in '04 who would give him another chance in '08. He would be capable of cleaning up the huge mess that the WingNuts created.
You have any better ideas?
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:22 PM
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47. He has? I have been a long time supporter and I don't recall the OP
at all.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:37 PM
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10. I was not a big fan of Kerrys' presidential run
but he is a true patriot and a strong voice for progressive causes. I suggest you rethink your conclusions.....
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:38 PM
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11. Wusses COVERUP for BushInc - REAL tough men investigate and expose them.
Because THAT takes risks.

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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:38 PM
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12. Your Bullshit Smear of Kerry is Boring and Old
Nice flame bait.
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AIJ Alom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:39 PM
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13. He is not a big wuss. He's a gentleman to a fault. And unfortunately
sometimes he needs to grow a pair of cajones, particulary when he's going into a show hosted by a conservative act masquerading as a journalist. He should have continually attacked Chris Wallace on the FoxNews look for terrorist happy with democratic win memo.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:53 PM
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15. What part of that interview made him appear a wuss?
I didn't see that at all.
Every time Wallace asked him about he stupid pronoun incident, he deflected and made a point about bush's failed policies, the Dem win or what we need to do going forward.
Did you want him to poke at Wallace a la Clinton? That wasn't going to happen.
He had to address the mistake he made. But I think he did a great job with the interview. He came across level headed and serious, where Wallace looked like a moron who would rather discuss a failed joke than the real issues facing us. Sen Kerry faced the enemy and didn't back down, didn't allow Wallace to get away with anything, and didn't appear the least bit intimidated.
Nope. I didn't see wussy.

You want to know what the insult to the troops is? The insult to the troops is sending them to war for false reasons. The insult to the troops is sending them to war without the equipment that they need, without the armor, without the armed Humvees. The insult was having the secretary of defense who, for month after month after month, refused to listen to the Congress and listen to his own advisers. The insult is having troops who have a strategy that has them mired without the diplomacy necessary to resolve what everyone has said cannot be resolved militarily.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,230589,00.html
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:05 PM
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18. That's what I saw, too.
I saw no so-called "wussiness".
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:55 PM
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16. You'd rather he was an arrogant
xenophobic cowboy?
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:56 PM
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17. Tell him to his face.
Your post reminds me of a typical freeper "keyboard commando" attack.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:21 PM
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20. I thought Kerry..
... did a lot better job than any I've seen him do in similar situations before. Yes, about the ninth time Wallace brought that shit up, he should have told him off, but other than than he did very well.

He was able to get his point across in a cool manner, and his basic message of "all you care about is a joke, the rest of the country cares about solving the problen in Iraq" was well heard by anyone listening.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:21 PM
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21. Obvious, inarticulate FLAMEBAIT -->any monitors watching?
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 04:32 PM by zulchzulu
Plus the opinion is bullshit.

Perhaps the poster is unfamiliar with DU rules on stupid, unsubstantiated, juvenile posts like his:

"Constructive criticism of Democrats or the Democratic Party is permitted. When doing so, please keep in mind that most of our members come to this website in order to get a break from the constant attacks in the media against our candidates and our values. Highly inflammatory or divisive attacks that echo the tone or substance of our political opponents are not welcome here."

Look it up.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:27 PM
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50. Good point. n/t
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hurricaneric Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:21 PM
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22. I totally disagree
And to be honest, I think you were simply looking for a Cintonesque response from John Kerry who has been his own man for many years. Ultimately, I can't believe Wallace actually has a job. He is an infuriating little peice of weasel shit. From the video it appears he didn't want to talk about anything substantive, only Kerry's remarks from two weeks ago that were totally taken out of context. I truly hate that bastard.
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boolean Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:23 PM
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23. God, Chris Wallace is such a little shit
How is this guy the spawn of Mike?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:29 PM
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24. Who's John Kerry?
eom
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:41 PM
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69. Tall fellow, Senator up north, walks around without an ass
having long since worked it off. Good guy, campaigned and gave money to the Congressional candidates and helped us win this last election. You should get to know him.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:44 PM
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26. they hate it 'this much'
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:48 PM
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27. I admire and respect John Kerry. He walked the walk for these mid-terms.
Personally, I think Senator Kerry has endured enough bullshit from people who claim to be on the same team.

I voted for him in 2004, however, my level of respect for him has risen considerably in the past six months. He's a team player and he did everything he could to help put the Dems back in power. He STOOD WITH the voters of Connecticut. He did the right thing. I appreciate that. How many other Dems can we say that about?

John Kerry is a gentleman and a scholar. He's a decorated war hero. IMO, that's why Little Lord Pissypants and Co. does everything that they can to belittle and attack him. Pissypants is an insecure little prick. He knows he doesn't hold a candle to Kerry and I think that drives him crazy.

As for Bill Clinton...IMO, Bill lives for Bill. Period.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:03 PM
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28. i thot Kerry handled the mediawhore well...
he said 'only you keep bringing it up chris..' sorta catching wallace off guard, forcing him to deny it...wallace was stumbling around, trying to redirect - and even when he brought up the woman whose son was killed in nam, Kerry stared at him momemtarily, then reiterated that he had repeatedly and forcefully apologised for the bad joke, which he explained wasn't such a bad joke considering EVERYONE WHO HEARD IT IN CONTEXT KNEW that he wasn't insulting anyone (but bush) It was the 'republican attack machine' that told the troops what the white house wanted them to hear blah blah blah, the point being wallace is destroying his career; and was no match for kerry. All us wise guys say we KNOW better how to handle the mediawhores, but consider Bill, for example. The pigmedia repeated ad nazism that Bill had 'gone nuts' on wallace (i think decades of pro repuke media has innurred any reasonable watcher to the media bias) and regardless of sentiment, that's what the pigmedia will record for history!
i wish kerry or someone would suggest senate hearings into the mass media's political activism and who's paying for it, and why, as it consitutes a form of terrorism against effective representative democracy....many years of proof of this are on the record. Such a threat of sworn testimony by the pigmedia whores would terrify them, maybe even force them to obey the laws etc
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:25 PM
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30. Sorry, I disagree. Kerry did that without being angry.
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 05:28 PM by Mass
Wallace looked like an ass at the end of the interview and Kerry did not even need a totally rehearsed tantrum like the one Clinton showed.

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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:25 PM
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31. Chris Wallace is disgusting, Clinton got enough of him & retaliated
Wallace read a letter from a Mother whose son was killed, she berated John Kerry with the Swiftboat style. Why in the hell didn't she blame George W. Bush for starting the war with all his lies, and putting her son in harm's way in the first place? :cry: :cry:

John Kerry served his country in Vietnam, and he has served the people of this country in the Senate. So he tells a joke and it didn't come out right.I hear Bush bumbling every night on David Letterman's show, and I guess everyone's all right with that. Oh sure, after all he's the President?????????????? Chris Wallace wouldn't get off the subject when he knew damned good and well that Kerry was not calling the military dumb. For crying out loud, I wish the republican operatives, or anyone else who chooses not to like John Kerry, would do something worthwhile with their time.



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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:27 PM
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32. oooooooooooooooook
*backs slowly out of thread*

:)
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CarolNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:43 PM
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34. Seantor Kerry did fine....
but, boy, that Chris Wallace deserves an extremely hot place in hell...His poor dad....
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 07:31 PM
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37. agreed
just watched it.

i don't know what Archae is talking about.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:38 PM
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42. It's Fox news, what would anyone expect? I think Kerry did just find in trying to express what the
American people want. Chris Wallace was playing the GOP bs blame game, because it is all they have.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:26 PM
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40. Feel better now?
:eyes:
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:43 PM
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43. This whole drama and hype about "the joke"
is such a joke.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:51 PM
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44. You couldn't be more wrong, my friend
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:52 PM
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45. Nice guys don't have to finish last -- or second, for that matter.
Kerry, IMFO, would make a great president.

Kerry, I'd be willing to carry water for.

Same holds for several other Democrats.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:20 PM
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46. No way. Kerry handled it correctly. He kept his cool and he stated
his case. I came tell you more about what Kerry discussed than what Clinton discussed when he tried to defend his old record. To each his own, but Clinton seem to over react to me and number two, why does it matter what Clinton did? He isn't running for anything is he?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:26 PM
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49. !!
:thumbsup: Exactly what I thought, Clinton isn't running for anything and Sen Kerry is still in the "game". He is being a politician and I thought he handled himself very well, as he always does. His little "gaff" didn't phase me at all. I got it.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:34 PM
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51. Kerry doesn't talk about how he loves Bush and wants to be their son
and brother like Clinton does.

Kerry doesn't say we will win whether Lamont or Lieberman wins as Clinton did.

Kerry is not Clinton. Kerry came off well while Wallace looked like the jerk he is. if Kerry had left or done something else the whore media would have just used it to claim he got scared of the questions and left. and the same fuckers who complain Kerry ddin't throw a tantrum like Clinton are the same ones who will say Kerry messed up again. the same fools who took and continue to take the right wing side on attacking Kerry on the flub.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 09:12 AM
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54. Kerry inspires me with his work ethic and dedication to Democratic principles
I can't think of anyone wussier than Chris Wallace.
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The_Mule Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:37 AM
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55. Chris Wallace is a jack ass.
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 11:58 AM by The_Mule
There, I've said it.

For me, that's the defining connection between the Clinton and Kerry interviews.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:17 PM
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56. Why any Dem would agree to an interview by Wallace is a mystery to me.
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 12:21 PM by smoogatz
Dems should simply boycott Fox News, en masse, starting now. As Dean says, it's nothing more or less than the propaganda arm of the NRC; you're going to get sandbagged no matter what because that's what the interviewer is paid to do. It's just plain naive to expect anything else. So why do they keep doing it?

On edit: when Dems do Faux Nooz, they also legitimize it and its message. A big mistake.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:18 PM
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57. Agreed.
Not because of some interview, but because he backed away from being anti-war.
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Strathos Donating Member (713 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:35 PM
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59. I agree eom
.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:42 PM
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61. Yeah, and you voted for Ronald Reagan.... TWICE!
What's that make you?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:47 PM
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62. Someone who hates Kerry for uncovering Reagan-Bush crimes of office
Maybe they lost money when Kerry forced BCCI to close.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:51 PM
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63. Wasn't Kerry a huge "wuss" for doing that?
Gee why did he have to investigate Reagan-Bush? :cry: What a WUSS! :sarcasm:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:04 PM
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65. He was such a wuss he had to wear bulletproof vests during that time. Had to do it again
when he testified to congress and advocated for gays to serve in the militrary - but then BRAVE Dems chose to go with Don't Ask- Don't Tell. REALLY brave stuff to be sure.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:12 PM
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93. An even bigger wuss when he didn't go with Clinton's advice
to support DOMA in 2004. Whatsa mattah Kerry. Ya yellah?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:43 PM
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74. A flip flopper?
Heh.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 05:15 PM
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79. and who disrepectfully refers to Jimmy Carter
as Captain "Peanut".

does that make him even worse than a "wuss"?
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 05:39 PM
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85. Carter is a bona fide humanitarian...
must be a "wuss"! :sarcasm:

"Captain Peanut" huh? :eyes:
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:54 PM
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64. He's not a wuss, but he's not the best we can do
in 2008 either.

I'm tired of talking about John Kerry.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:06 PM
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66. Especially since we have so many anti-corruption, open government Democrats who are
willing to take that battle on.

And, besides, the REALLY EXCITING Democratic candidates will be more coverup Democrats, and that's the way we like 'em.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:17 PM
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67. Why do some on DU think that everyone should rant at the opposition?
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 01:20 PM by LittleClarkie
When they do, we love them, even if their records aren't exactly progressive.

That's not everyone's style, dear. He did fine, and kept on message.

You can SPEAK truth to power. You don't have to SCREAM it.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 05:21 PM
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80. Between speak & scream, there is a middle ground.
Agree, no need to scream. Though John could have said to Chris (after the same ? was asked 5-6 x's), "Asked and Answered - period."

One does not have to rage back, but a more emphatic reply would have shut that Wallace weasel up a bit. Just as a more emphatic reply to the swift boaters may have won John the presidency.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 05:35 PM
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83. And yet, when he gave a more emphatic answer to "Pronoun-gate"
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 05:37 PM by LittleClarkie
it was declared a mistake by many. I was proud of him for saying he wouldn't apologize because he'd done nothing wrong except misplace a pronoun.

Sometimes it seems the dude can't win.

And yet it also seems you really have to piss him off to get the reaction you're looking for, like when one of his fellow Senators suggested on the floor that Kerry was trying to score political points using the troops, and he said, "No one spins me on that subject, period." (paraphrase)

I do love it when he's pissed. He's pithy when he's pissed.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:41 PM
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68. Too bad we can't 'un-reccommend' a thread

I thought that interview made Wallace look like an idiot. I guess we're both seeing reality through our 'truthieness' filters.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:21 PM
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71. Kerry responded as a mature grownup
He dominated the conversation - getting his points out and took responsibility only for what he did.

I think LESS of Bill Clinton, who as an ex-President looked like a bully - he was in the position to walk out with dignity. Also remember the context - Clinton was already getting 100% support from everyone in the party. Kerry was dtabbed in the back by some Democrats even before this joke ("Heyjohn").

As to standing up - it was not just that he went to war - he was a decorated war hero with commentations for his bravery. (Clinton bravely wrote the man who kept him out Vietnam that he loathed the military.)

Kerry spoke truth to Nixon's power - in a day when enemy lists and harrassment of Nixon opponents was well know.

As a prosecutor, Kerry indicted and won convictions for members of the MAFIA

As a freshman Senator, Kerry stood up to Reagen, investigating drug and gun running to support the Contras in defiance of the Boland act

He stood up against the entiore Senate, the current President (Bush) and Jimmy Carter, who wanted to protect many people from his administration to close a corrupt bank - likely setting OBL back.

He, not Clinton, has been an anti Bush voice over the last 4 years. Kerry, in speaking out against the VN war, investigating the Contras, and investigating BCCI risked his career to do what was right. Clinton would likely have advised him to do none of these - like he advised him to back the gay bashing amendments.

Kerry has integrity and principles and he fights for things he believes in. Kerry knows exactly who he is and how he has lived his life. Kerry has far too much class than to throw a temper tantrum especially when doing that would have hurt versus helped.

Frankly, I suspect that Achae would be far too much a wuss to have done any of the things John Kerry has done - though I bet he could throw a temper tantrum.
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ohtransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:07 PM
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73. A wuss wouldn't have gone on Faux News in the first place.
He handled himself well. Articulate and firm.

Everyone knows he screwed up a joke. Move on.

BTW, "Some say" Clinton was angry and out of control in his interview. Just sayin'
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:47 PM
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75. Well, well. You're all coming out of the woodwork like

little frightened roaches after somebody turned the lights on.....

DU should not allow threads like these.

:mad:
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:59 PM
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76. How many times did wimpy Wallace repeat the same damn question????
What, at least 4-5 times? This serves as a fantastic example of what future DEMS can expect from the Fox propaganda machine. I say go on FOX, just be prepared to dish it out back in return.

John Kerry's no wuss; but he could have been more forceful in telling Wallace - "Asked and Answered -period!" Of course, I would have been happy if Kerry shoved Wallace's face in a toilet and flushed.

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 05:03 PM
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77. There were indeed alotta "yeah, buts"
I don't think there was any getting Wallace off the subject, looking at the transcript. Kerry kept saying, moving on, and Wallace just kept up with the same damn question over and over and over. What a nut.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 05:09 PM
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78. kerry sucks
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 05:26 PM
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81. And this is a usefull comment.... HOW?

Drive by insults do nothing to help anything.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 05:36 PM
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84. and natrat blows
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 06:07 PM
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87. Are you sure...
... that you didn't mean 'swallows', instead of 'blows'? :evilgrin:

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:10 PM
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92. He sucks, blows and swallows. An industrious lad is he.
Sigh.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 05:39 PM
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86. Yeah? Ya got any BETTER IDEAS for '08?
:eyes:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:09 PM
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91. Heh heh. You said sucks
Heh heh heh.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 06:33 PM
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88. meh, I'll still support him for Pres over all the rat worms we have runnin
except for G O R E !!!
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:08 PM
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90. He was supposed to huff and puff and blow the house down?
Just because one ex-president loses his cool, blowing your top should hardly become a standard to aspire to.

If confrontational interviews were to become de rigueur for political discourse, where would it all end? Clinton turned apoplectic, bellowed like a bull moose in rutting season and jabbed Wallace with his finger, so Kerry would have had to grab the guy by his lapels and lift him off the floor to trump that. Then the next interviewee would have to give the diminutive pundit a few slaps to Trump Kerry and so on until someone would ultimately be jailed for manslaughter.

Kerry didn't have to use a sledgehammer to drive home his point. Instead he used a stiletto. John Kerry completely outclassed Wallace. In this battle of wits Mr. Wallace was so obviously unarmed, I almost felt bad for him. This was comparable to a welterweight trying to take down Evander Holyfield.

It reminded me of the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique from the movie "Kill Bill" where the victim remains standing after the blows are administered, then takes 5 steps and their heart explodes. Wallace probably thought he held his own until he watch the tape afterward...and dropped.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:49 PM
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94. It was as if he only had that one question prepared
Go out the night before, did we Chris? Not doing our homework? Hmmm?
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:28 PM
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96. LOL about the homework! Good thing this brain trust isn't running for office (God forbid)!
He's not a very good journalist. He was like a broken record. He tries to be tough but he's more like the "Mouse that Roared" and difficult to take seriously. Note to RW pundits: if you're going to do a hatchet job, at least bring a hatchet!



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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:59 PM
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95. I didn't see the interview, and I can't watch it on-line
...and I don't know you from Adam...but I've got to say that if my ass was on the line I'd much rather Kerry had my back than you. What the phuck do you know about courage? When did you serve? When have you stuck your neck out there for any idiot on the internet to take cheap-ass shots at?
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