Should John Murtha Withdraw His Nomination In Light Of The Recent Revelations?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Poll question: Should John Murtha Withdraw His Nomination In Light Of The Recent Revelations?

[still_one]

1. what recent revelations? The video that showed him refusing a bribe?

[BOSSHOG]

2. The 26 year old video?

[RebelOne]

4. Hannity was having a field day with that video yesterday.

Leave it to him to bring up a 26-year-old video.

[dysfunctional press]

11. but he refused the bribe money...

is that what hannity is mocking him for?

[Orsino]

37. He asked that it be given to him via a back door. n/t

[frylock]

49. the back door was "invest in the district"..

hardly illegal.

[Orsino]

50. Influence peddling...hardly the right thing to do.

MURTHA: You can buy insurance if you want to. But I'm gonna tell you somethin'. To me, insurance is investing in my goddamn district... and doing this goddamn, you know this, this is, to me, a big goddamn insurance policy is doing business in my district. And I'm gonnna tell you something, there's an article in the Bulletin the other day, you might have seen it Howard, "Jack Murtha Deals in the District," and that's right. You know, and I want, I want this guy to spend money in my district. I want this connection in my goddamn district. I'm delighted to do business with him, and do every goddamn thing I can within bounds, you know, so I don't get myself in jail, in order to get him into the country and whatever needs to be done. But I've I gotta know uh...the details, and when I say the details I've got to know when he wants to come, I've got to know how many in the family, I've got to know, you know, a lot of goddamn things....

[Goblinmonger]

3. Recent?

Are you like 600 years old or something? Only Methuselah would think this is recent.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. Wow

Before you speak investigate...

John Murtha called the soon to be voted on Democratic anti-corruption bill "crap" and said he's only supporting it because "Nancy wants it."...

[Goblinmonger]

9. But he is supporting it, right?

That is the content of your post if I read correctly. So what's the big deal. He doesn't think it is a huge deal but he'll vote for it because the party wants it. Perhaps he is more concerned about the war and is going to focus his efforts there while others deal with other issues.

[LSK]

27. care to provide the exact quote?

[Bitwit1234]

5. Asinine

Correct....they republicans are trying to get the public to believe that the democrats are as crooked as they are....they SHOULD show the video and they SHOULD tell the public...he DID NOT accept the bribe.

And then if any network repeats that he is a crook and involved in the Abscom sting I think he should sue them. Wouldn't it be nice if the democrats had a say over what goes in the news again.

[VelmaD]

7. No, he should withdraw it because....

he's out of step with the majority of the rank and file on the issue of women's right to control their own bodies. Those 0% ratings from NARAL and Planned Parenthood are enough reason for me not to support him as Speaker.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. There Has To Be A Better Choice Than Murtha And Hoyer

eom

[VelmaD]

10. I could probably list 20 or 30 better choices...

off the top of my head if pressed on it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. Our Opinions Don't Count

:-(

[VelmaD]

14. What chaps my ass...

is that the first woman Speaker is actually supporting his caveman ass. Good grief.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. This Is A Touchy Subject Here...

People here are enthralled with him because he opposes the war...


I can oppose the war, support women's right, be for clean government, and even walk and chew gum at the same time.

I don't want to be like the corrupt GOPU with a D after my name. I aspire and hope our Democratic leaders aspire to something better and more noble.

[VelmaD]

18. Gotta admit I'm also really tired...

of hearing him refered to as the first Democrat to stand up against the war. :eyes: He voted for the IWR and then changed his mind later. There were plenty of Dems who deserve a helluva lot more credit for voting against the IWR and being against this war from the very beginning.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. There's Also Some Blindness Toward Another Candidate Who Voted For IWR And Now Opposes It.

I'm not a big fan of selective indignation.

[VelmaD]

22. I know what you mean

While I welcome anyone who has changed their minds about this war, I don't like them being portrayed as heroes over it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. What's Strange Is This Candidate Voted Against The First Gulf War But Voted For This One.

It was a purely "political vote"...

At least in the first Gulf War we were fighting Saddam because he stole a country...

This place makes my head hurt...

It's not about right and wrong... It's about who's oxe is being gored...

[KoKo]

19. He had the "voice & background" to deliver the message for Dems but

I'm concerned about the ABSCAM and Earmarking with his brother the lobbyist for Defense Contractors. I'm hoping to see more detail about the Earmarking and who he gave defense contracts to, but I hope he withdraws so that he doesn't undermine Pelosi's position.

We Dems don't need Murtha bringing us down after he propped us up and his strong stand on the War helped us win.

He needs to withdraw. Nancy can find someone else.

[NCarolinawoman]

41. Yes, he's knee-deep in the Military Industrial Complex

I have an idealistic dream that we can tackle this problem someday. Murtha, in a position of power, would be an impediment.

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[dogday]

21. Yes especially since he wants to end their little pet project

called the Iraq War.. I am sure the Republicans are ready for this... I think this war has profoundly changed Murtha. I believe he will do everything he can to bring the soldiers home and if he can do that, well more power to him....

[newyawker99]

26. Hi Sam Francis 1964!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

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[Generator]

17. Murtha=Nixon

Wow! The things you learn from Newbies.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

24. Sam isn't it

time to get ready for the war on Christmas ?

[LSK]

29. I think you are SERIOUSLY uninformed

Watch this:

http://lonestartimes.com/2006/11/14

[The Gunslinger]

25. If 1981 is recent, and it is wrong to reject bribes..

Non story 25 years ago................Non story today.

[Ksec]

28. Recent? Pulease. You bought the winger talking points.

He was innocent. He refused the bribe. Get it right damnit.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. Is This A Winger Site?

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001995.php

[Ksec]

38. So whats wrong with that?

I havent read the bill, but if he thinks its just a crappy bill then maybe it is. Maybe it doesnt go far enough in Murthas opinion.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. That's Not What He Said On Hardball Minutes Ago When He Had The Chance...

eom

[Ksec]

42. So what did he say?

Did he say why he didnt like it?

[LSK]

30. no, not because of a NON-SCANDAL from 1980

But because he is not progressive enough for me. Maybe.

[bemildred]

31. He should stick it out just to thwart the smear campaign. nt

[Individualist]

32. You need to change "Revelations" to "Swiftboating"!

[Bluebear]

33. What recent revelations?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. This

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001995.php

[Bluebear]

36. I'd have to know more besides he thinks it's "total crap"

What is his reasoning?

[berni_mccoy]

44. He doesn't think the BILL is total crap

he thinks that it's crap that we have to deal with this instead of real issues like Iraq and Global Warming.

[LSK]

43. exact quote please! how about the context!!!

Who heard him say this???

DETAILS.

[novalib]

39. ABSOLUTELY! POSITIVELY!

Absolutely positively NOT!!!!!

John Murtha is an AMERICAN HERO who SPOKE THE TRUTH TO POWER when it was not very popular to do so!!!!

It would be an act of COWARDICE AND BETRAYAL to withdraw his nomination!!!!!

[still_one]

45. I agree, Murtha will NOT back down to swift boaters

that is the difference between him and Kerry, no offense to Kerry, but he came out to little when they attacked him, they won't be able to do that with Murtha

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. Are They Swiftboaters?

http://www.citizensforethics.org/index.php


And how do we distinguish between legitimate criticism and illegitimate criticism...

Accusing your accusers of malice is an old tactic...

[still_one]

47. excellent point, and I agree it is a narrow line

What I was implying is that Murther is not shy to defend him self. The question remains is he justified or not?

The attractive feature of Murtha is his position on the Iraq war, but that in itself does not exonerate him if he did something wrong

We are NOT like the republicans

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. I Hate These Debates Because They Become Ad Hominem And Emotional

Not you...

I'm reminded of a line from an old Public Enemy song.

Something about judging people by the same standards.

The question every person here must ask themselves about any politician. Would we judge him differently if he had a (R) after his name...

[stepnw1f]

51. What "recent" Revelations?

There is no there.... he did nothing wrong.