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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:02 PM
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Nancy Pelosi's first mistake as Speaker?
She did not have to come out for Murtha. She could have left it up the Democrats in the caucus. By throwing her support behind Murtha, she made a gamble. If he wins, she will look strong. But, if he loses, it could make her look weaker, perhaps??
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:04 PM
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1. Victory By Rep. Hoyer, Sir, Will Smooth It All Over
It will be of no consequence once the new term commences. Rep. Hoyer is clearly the man for the job.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:09 PM
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7. Absolutely.
The Dem caucus can send the rest of the leadership a message by electing Hoyer. Pelosi will be a bit more measured and considerate in any future endorsements and anyone considering themselves for future leadership positions will make sure they are ethically above reproach.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:09 PM
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8. Sure, the Dems need a K Street guy at the head of the party
Lots of Lobbyist money for everyone!
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:12 PM
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11. He Is Good At The Work, Ma'am
Good enough to have come from Bridgeport....

"Wouldn't it be odd if Heaven was just like the Eleventh Ward
And you had to know just who was who to receive your just reward?"
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:23 PM
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18. Who's from Bridgeport?
K-street type ethics...

"Bordeaux" Joe Ganim

:shrug:
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:33 PM
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23. It Is A Chicago Neighborhood, Sir
On the near southwest side, and the hereditary home of the Daley machine.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:34 PM
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I expect he is referring to Chicago and the first mayor Daley
and basically saying its all politics.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 11:21 AM
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33. We should just ban K Street
They hate us anyway. They may kiss ass for a year or two, but they're basically corporate fascists and will be working for the GOP. Just cut off all access, and notify their major clients that they aren't worth their salaries. The real estate could go to much better uses. Hell, turning it into an industrial sludge pile would be a better use.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 04:22 AM
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30. Her only mistake was saying we won't impeach Bush! Backing Murtha
was right on!
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:04 PM
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2. eh ...
It kind of plays both ways ... Showing a little loyalty isn't a bad thing ...

If Murtha falls short, it will be a "news" story for a week or two, and be LONG forgotten by the start of the new year ...
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:05 PM
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3. Wearing Gray on a Friday?
I think she's a tad bit too subjective on this matter. Methinks Madam Speaker has a hardon for Hoyer for some reason. More anti-hoyer then pro-Murtha. But you are right, she should have stayed above the frey.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:05 PM
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4. I agree with you. It was a mistake. But not a weak/strong issue
but one regarding his rep as being less than honest. ABSCAM and all that .

Don't lecture me about republican dishonesty or McCain. I've probably already said it to someone else myself before this.

I'm just agreeing that she should have left it for the democrats in general, not taken the issue up personally. But it's done now. Too late to worry about it.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:10 PM
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9. I started a post on the Abscam video...
It didn't look good... And just because you were found "not guilty" or no charges were brought against you doesn't mean you were totally innocent...
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 11:17 AM
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31. Of course, that would mean she might be wrong on "impeachment" also...
The Democrats do not march in lockstep.
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GymGeekAus Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:07 PM
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5. Winning or losing doesn't define strength.
You fight the fights that need to be fought, after all. Regardless of the expectation of outcome.

I think Murtha's elevation to Majority Leader would be seen as a deliberate attempt to reach across the aisle ideologically, an open statement that the progressive caucus wants to have a dialogue with the more conservative caucuses in Congress.

All in all, it was something that could have healed a lot of wounds.

Before it goes much further, though, Murtha must explain his Congressional graft.

I refer us all to the Center for Ethics and Responsibility in Washington. But I caution us all to wait for Murtha's explanations to a concerned nation.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:07 PM
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6. "Winning" or "losing" is more important than corruption damaging the Nation?
It's Time To PUt Nation Above Party, Folks!!!

Methinks we've strategized so much, we forget what the power is supposed to be for--protecting our nation and our constitution!

How 'bout we meditate on that for a bit?
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:12 PM
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12. Corruption from whom? Hoyer lobbyist Corruption or Murtha Defense
Two choices, both corrupt.
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GymGeekAus Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:16 PM
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14. Let's hear the reality behind the perceived corruption first, huh?
Politics is largely a "you wash my back, I wash yours" kind of deal. This we know--and accept as the nature of compromise.

Were the contracts that Murtha earmarked in our nation's best interest? Was his brother's involvement actually inconsequential? These are important questions.

As for the DLC connections of Hoyer, could we have some more specific allegations to talk about here?

Too much hot air going on, IMHO.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:19 PM
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15. Yes, both corrupt. It's not about Pelosi "losing"--it's about honesty
and integrity.

So, I don't give a rip whether it's HOyers or Murtha.

THE PEOPLE LOSE EITHER WAY, and that's a damned sight more important than whether Pelosi "wins" or "loses".

To hell with Pelosi. She dug this pit.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:11 PM
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10. She will win, I predict she knows how to count and wouldn't have
put her prestige on the line if they didn't have the votes.
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:14 PM
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13. She looks strong either way
Either way it shows she will stand by dems who stand up for the right thing like Murtha did.

And if the vote is even close it shows how much discipline she can call up. The only way she comes out of this looking bad is if Hoyer wins in a landslide. And from the talk it sounds like Hoyer will win, but not by much.

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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:20 PM
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16. Nah, this is inside baseball. Only the political weenies are watching the game.
Murtha's been very outspoken as an antiwar Dem and Iraq seems to have been a huge factor in winning the election. Giving him the nod for the majority whip could simply be a way of acknowledging that achievement. If the votes aren't there, she's still "paid the debt". This is only in the news because the corporate media is desperate to find some controversy or weakness to talk about. Let's face it, routine Congressional procedure is :boring:.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:21 PM
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17. Good point...
A payback of sorts.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:24 PM
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19. It shows she is loyal and follows her instinct
He suported her for her bid as Minority Leader, now she is returning the favor and obviouisly respects the man - what's not to like in those actions? I smell character.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:27 PM
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20. This was a brilliant move by Pelosi. She's giving both Hoyer & Murtha media time.
Most Americans have no idea whatsoever about either Hoyer or Murtha. On a "normal" year, the
inside vote for House Majority Leader would garner a few words on the pundit shows, absolutely
no mention on the nightly news. Look at the R announcement today about Lott and the others.
A blip. No one cares and it got very little coverage.

Whether it's Murtha or Hoyer at the end of the day tomorrow, more Americans will know who they
are, and that profile helps solidify the public's perception that the Ds really are in power.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:30 PM
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21. She is not Speaker.
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GymGeekAus Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:31 PM
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22. Semantics. This is among her first acts as incoming Speaker. n/t
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:34 PM
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24. How could she look weak?
They're both strong choices. It's a win either way. Though that does sound like a talking point Faux would be all over:

"Pelosi considered a weak leader after Murtha loss?"
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:36 PM
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25. Exactly!
So it's best that we get out in front of that wave. Don't you think? :)
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 12:07 AM
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26. Can you call'em or can you call'em...
Looks like the AP is reading the DU:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061116/ap_on_go_co/congres...

WASHINGTON - House Speaker-to-be Nancy Pelosi faces a major leadership test Thursday, barely a week into her new role, as Democrats vote on her choice for majority leader. She's supporting a lawmaker once caught up in a bribery scandal and known more recently for trading votes for pork projects.

Pelosi's prestige is on the line after endorsing longtime ally John Murtha of Pennsylvania to be the No. 2 Democrat in place of her longtime rival Steny Hoyer of Maryland.

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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 12:10 AM
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27. KO said Hoyer has the votes. Murtha said he has the votes
I have a feeling Murtha has the votes.
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yellowdogmi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 12:18 AM
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28. Nancy's first mistake was taking impeachment off the table.
Leaving it on the table would have given her more power and kept the netroots on her side. Bad tactics. Let them sweat. jmho.
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GymGeekAus Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 11:19 AM
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32. Ms. Pelosi (ahem) can put things back on the table.
Should nuking Iran still be on the table? The Bushies think so.
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lies and propaganda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 01:51 AM
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29. i dont get why she cant support someone.
are WE telling her she has to be a nice, quiet Dem? I know we cant possibly be...
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 11:22 AM
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34. Technically, she's not Speaker until January
:P :hi:

I'm going to give this a wait and see approach. It just doesn't seem right to start tearing her down before she's had a chance to even bang the gavel. JMHO.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 11:23 AM
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35. nah
everything's fine. Nancy just has to deal with her former competitor. They will generate good tension which should pull the various factions closer as they compromise with each other.
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