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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 02:53 PM
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Harry Reid says he has questions about Gates' involvement in Iran-Contra
Gates struggled through the Iran-Contra scandal, as did his patron, first President Bush

The Associated Press
Published: November 11, 2006

{snip}

Thomas Blanton, director of the National Security Archive, a private group that has collected hundreds of thousands of pages of documents on the scandal and published several books on it, calls Gates "the ultimate hear-no-evil see-no-evil high official during Iran-Contra."

In a final report, Iran-Contra prosecutor Lawrence Walsh said that, "like those of many other Iran-Contra figures, the statements of Gates often seemed scripted and less than candid."

In rebuttal, Gates said Walsh's 1994 report was "unjustifiably disparaging, unbalanced, filled with innuendo and insinuation, and draws conclusions not supported by the evidence."

Questions about Gates focus not on what he did in Iran-Contra, but on what he knew. CIA Director William Casey had his own parallel chain of command that excluded Gates. At the time, however, Gates was the agency's No. 2 official.

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid says he has questions about Gates' involvement in Iran-Contra. Republicans plan to push the nomination through before they lose control in January.


report: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/11/11/america/NA_GEN_US_Gates_Iran_Contra.php



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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 03:01 PM
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1. Git 'em, Harry !!!
:applause:
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 03:05 PM
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2. Glad to see you stand up this time, Harry.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 03:06 PM
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3. We never did make up for what they NEOCONS did in the 80's! Never forget it was done in our NAMES!
The 8 years Reagan was in office represented one of the most bloody eras in the history of the Western hemisphere, as Washington funneled money, weapons and other supplies to right wing death squads. And the death toll was staggering - more than 70,000 political killings in El Salvador, more than 100,000 in Guatemala, 30,000 killed in the contra war in Nicaragua. In Washington, the forces carrying out the violence were called "freedom fighters." This is how Ronald Reagan described the Contras in Nicaragua: "They are our brothers, these freedom fighters and we owe them our help. They are the moral equal of our founding fathers."

Now Daniel Ortega is the new president of Nicaragua and the Bush Crime Family is poised to restart the Contra campaign.

October 17, 2006,Will be remembered as the Enabling day of the 21st Century!
"The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures..."
~Adolf Hitler, March 23, 1933, before the German Parliament (Reichstag) as he urged them to pass his "Enabling Act"

Got Fascism Yet?


http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bush-nazilinkconfirmed.htm



Fascism Accomplished!
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philly_bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 04:01 PM
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12. Were they Neo-Cons back in 1980's?
Or some other variety of right-wing militaristic frat boys?
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 06:42 PM
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21. They may not have been called that but they were the same shitheads we have today!

October 17, 2006,Will be remembered as the Enabling day of the 21st Century!
"The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures..."
~Adolf Hitler, March 23, 1933, before the German Parliament (Reichstag) as he urged them to pass his "Enabling Act"

Got Fascism Yet?


http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bush-nazilinkconfirmed.htm



Fascism Accomplished!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:27 AM
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25. They couldn't have gotten away with it without the COVERUP wing of the Dem party
Clinton1 covered up for Bush1 and they want Clinton2 in place to continue the coverups of Bush2.


rom Robert Parry, Nov12,2006: Democrats, The Truth STILL Matters!

Mr. Parry is allowing this article to be reprinted in full - you may also repost at other forums you visit or on your sites. It is THAT important to help citizens to understand what the stakes are in all of this.

This is not about arguing for impeachment - it's about getting the truth out so events like a Bush presidency, 9-11 and Iraq war can NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.


Democrats, the Truth Still Matters!
By Robert Parry
(First Posted May 11, 2006)

Editor's Note: With the Democratic victories in the House and Senate, there is finally the opportunity to demand answers from the Bush administration about important questions, ranging from Dick Cheney's secret energy policies to George W. Bush's Iraq War deceptions. But the Democrats are sure to be tempted to put the goal of "bipartisanship" ahead of the imperative for truth.

Democrats, being Democrats, always want to put governance, such as enacting legislation and building coalitions, ahead of oversight, which often involves confrontation and hard feelings. Democrats have a difficult time understanding why facts about past events matter when there are problems in the present and challenges in the future.

Given that proclivity, we are re-posting a story from last May that examined why President Bill Clinton and the last Democratic congressional majority (in 1993-94) shied away from a fight over key historical scandals from the Reagan-Bush-I years -- and the high price the Democrats paid for that decision:

My book, Secrecy & Privilege, opens with a scene in spring 1994 when a guest at a White House social event asks Bill Clinton why his administration didn’t pursue unresolved scandals from the Reagan-Bush era, such as the Iraqgate secret support for Saddam Hussein’s government and clandestine arms shipments to Iran.

Clinton responds to the questions from the guest, documentary filmmaker Stuart Sender, by saying, in effect, that those historical questions had to take a back seat to Clinton’s domestic agenda and his desire for greater bipartisanship with the Republicans.

Clinton “didn’t feel that it was a good idea to pursue these investigations because he was going to have to work with these people,” Sender told me in an interview. “He was going to try to work with these guys, compromise, build working relationships.”

Clinton’s relatively low regard for the value of truth and accountability is relevant again today because other centrist Democrats are urging their party to give George W. Bush’s administration a similar pass if the Democrats win one or both houses of Congress.

Reporting about a booklet issued by the Progressive Policy Institute, a think tank of the Democratic Leadership Council, the Washington Post wrote, “these centrist Democrats … warned against calls to launch investigations into past administration decisions if Democrats gain control of the House or Senate in the November elections.”

These Democrats also called on the party to reject its “non-interventionist left” wing, which opposed the Iraq War and which wants Bush held accountable for the deceptions that surrounded it.

“Many of us are disturbed by the calls for investigations or even impeachment as the defining vision for our party for what we would do if we get back into office,” said pollster Jeremy Rosner, calling such an approach backward-looking.

Yet, before Democrats endorse the DLC’s don’t-look-back advice, they might want to examine the consequences of Clinton’s decision in 1993-94 to help the Republicans sweep the Reagan-Bush scandals under the rug. Most of what Clinton hoped for – bipartisanship and support for his domestic policies – never materialized.

‘Politicized’ CIA

After winning Election 1992, Clinton also rebuffed appeals from members of the U.S. intelligence community to reverse the Reagan-Bush “politicization” of the CIA’s analytical division by rebuilding the ethos of objective analysis even when it goes against a President’s desires.

Instead, in another accommodating gesture, Clinton gave the CIA director’s job to right-wing Democrat, James Woolsey, who had close ties to the Reagan-Bush administration and especially to its neoconservatives.

One senior Democrat told me Clinton picked Woolsey as a reward to the neocon-leaning editors of the New Republic for backing Clinton in Election 1992.

“I told that the New Republic hadn’t brought them enough votes to win a single precinct,” the senior Democrat said. “But they kept saying that they owed this to the editors of the New Republic.”

During his tenure at the CIA, Woolsey did next to nothing to address the CIA’s “politicization” issue, intelligence analysts said. Woolsey also never gained Clinton’s confidence and – after several CIA scandals – was out of the job by January 1995.

At the time of that White House chat with Stuart Sender, Clinton thought that his see-no-evil approach toward the Reagan-Bush era would give him an edge in fulfilling his campaign promise to “focus like a laser beam” on the economy.

He was taking on other major domestic challenges, too, like cutting the federal deficit and pushing a national health insurance plan developed by First Lady Hillary Clinton.

So for Clinton, learning the truth about controversial deals between the Reagan-Bush crowd and the autocratic governments of Iraq and Iran just wasn’t on the White House radar screen. Clinton also wanted to grant President George H.W. Bush a gracious exit.

“I wanted the country to be more united, not more divided,” Clinton explained in his 2004 memoir, My Life. “President Bush had given decades of service to our country, and I thought we should allow him to retire in peace, leaving the (Iran-Contra) matter between him and his conscience.”

Unexpected Results

Clinton’s generosity to George H.W. Bush and the Republicans, of course, didn’t turn out as he had hoped. Instead of bipartisanship and reciprocity, he was confronted with eight years of unrelenting GOP hostility, attacks on both his programs and his personal reputation.

Later, as tensions grew in the Middle East, the American people and even U.S. policymakers were flying partially blind, denied anything close to the full truth about the history of clandestine relationships between the Reagan-Bush team and hostile nations in the Middle East.

Clinton’s failure to expose that real history also led indirectly to the restoration of Bush Family control of the White House in 2001. Despite George W. Bush’s inexperience as a national leader, he drew support from many Americans who remembered his father’s presidency fondly.

If the full story of George H.W. Bush’s role in secret deals with Iraq and Iran had ever been made public, the Bush Family’s reputation would have been damaged to such a degree that George W. Bush’s candidacy would not have been conceivable.

Not only did Clinton inadvertently clear the way for the Bush restoration, but the Right’s political ascendancy wiped away much of the Clinton legacy, including a balanced federal budget and progress on income inequality. A poorly informed American public also was easily misled on what to do about U.S. relations with Iraq and Iran.

In retrospect, Clinton’s tolerance of Reagan-Bush cover-ups was a lose-lose-lose – the public was denied information it needed to understand dangerous complexities in the Middle East, George W. Bush built his presidential ambitions on the nation’s fuzzy memories of his dad, and Republicans got to enact a conservative agenda.

Clinton’s approach also reflected a lack of appreciation for the importance of truth in a democratic Republic. If the American people are expected to do their part in making sure democracy works, they need to be given at least a chance of being an informed electorate.

Yet, Clinton – and now some pro-Iraq War Democrats – view truth as an expendable trade-off when measured against political tactics or government policies. In reality, accurate information about important events is the lifeblood of democracy.

Though sometimes the truth can hurt, Clinton and the Democrats should understand that covering up the truth can hurt even more. As Clinton’s folly with the Reagan-Bush scandals should have taught, the Democrats may hurt themselves worst of all when helping the Republicans cover up the truth.

Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at secrecyandprivilege.com. It's also available at Amazon.com, as is his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth.'
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 03:26 PM
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4. Way to lead, Harry!
Don't let these treasonous, rat bastards slip through! OBSTRUCTIONISM AT ITS FINEST!
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 03:27 PM
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5. Those questions won't be turned into action unless we push for it
Senator Reid's questions will probably be lost in the media push for "bi-partisanship" unless WE, the People, make it clear that we want someone not involved with scandal.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 05:48 PM
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18. I agree! n/t
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 03:29 PM
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6. I'd love to see Iran-Contra and BCCI finally dealt with
appropriately. No one has ever really had to answer for those scandals.
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SouthernBelle82 Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 03:33 PM
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8. I agree
Let John Kerry finish what he started. I hope Kerry is there asking this guy some of those question's. He knows BCCI and Iran/Contra better than anybody out there.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 01:39 PM
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30. NPR had a piece on last night saying Cheney was a key architect of the cover-up. nt
Edited on Sun Nov-12-06 01:40 PM by JudyM
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SouthernBelle82 Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 03:30 PM
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7. Good!
I'm glad to hear that. I think right now the smart thing to do is just ask as many question's as possible. We the public deserve to know the truth about this guy. Why is it him? What has he done in the past? These are answers and question's we deserve to know.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 03:38 PM
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9. GOOD
I'm Screaming this from the Rooftops right now, with three threads about all this.. the media is IGNORING IT and talking about the Election non stop.. makes me think that something is going on and it IS..

Bush Senior and Baker are sneaking into the white house and NO ONE VOTED FOR THEM :)
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 03:40 PM
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10. Happy Dance Happy Dance
I keep doing the Happy Dance
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 03:59 PM
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11. Thank you for asking Senator Reid. I am concerned too nm
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 04:04 PM
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13. Way to go, Harry! Whoooo Hoooo!
Clean em' out!
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Cafe Americano Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 04:05 PM
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14. and the death squads too
El Salvadoran death squads
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 04:21 PM
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15. Two major players of Iran-Contra: "I knew nothing" Gates/ "I was out of the loop" GHW Bush
Edited on Sat Nov-11-06 04:29 PM by seafan
Gates struggled through the Iran-Contra scandal, as did his patron, first President Bush

The Associated Press
November 11, 2006


snip

Iran-Contra was the convergence of two covert operations run by the Reagan White House — selling arms to Iran in an effort to free U.S. hostages in Lebanon and supplying arms to the Contra guerrillas fighting the leftist government of Nicaragua.
--snip
Questions about Gates focus not on what he did in Iran-Contra, but on what he knew.

snip

The Iran-Contra affair plagued the final two years of Ronald Reagan's presidency and damaged the final political campaign of Bush's father. The scandal that broke out 20 years ago this month also bruised Gates' career, forcing him to withdraw his nomination as CIA director in 1987.
Gates soldiered on as the No. 2 official at the CIA, then went to the White House's National Security Council. Four years later, the first President Bush nominated him for the top CIA job.

snip

In 1991, as Gates prepared to testify at his confirmation hearings for the CIA, new evidence emerged that raised additional questions about whether he had told the truth in Iran-Contra.
An ex-CIA officer alleged that he and at least three other CIA officials besides Casey had heard early on about the most explosive secret in the scandal — the diversion of profits from the Iran arms sales to the Contras.
The new evidence meant that at least five people above and below Gates knew about talk of a diversion in the summer before the secret surfaced. Had Gates known?

The president stood by him.

"Hey, you're my man. I'm all for you. ... don't let 'em get you down," Bush said he had assured the nominee.

As with Gates, the president was dogged by Iran-Contra. He spent the final weekend of his last political campaign answering renewed questions about his role in the scandal.
Bush had described himself as being "out of the loop" regarding opposition by two Cabinet officials to the secret arms-for-hostages deals with Iran.
The comment, however, was undercut by a reissued indictment showing that Bush, while vice president, participated in a meeting where the opposition he later denied knowing about had surfaced.


snip

Gates told prosecutors he was unaware that NSC aide Oliver North, who oversaw the Contra resupply network during a congressional ban on military aid to the rebels, had an operational role in supporting the Contras. Gates said he believed North's activities were limited to putting Contra leaders in touch with wealthy American donors and to giving the Contras political advice.
Cannistraro, who dealt with both Gates and North, says "I find it almost impossible that Gates wouldn't know what I knew, and I knew a fair amount. He couldn't avoid knowing."

snip



Former U.S. President George H.W. Bush, left, looks on at play during the Texas A&M women's basketball game against Pepperdine with Texas A&M University president Robert Gates, right, in the second half in College Station, Texas, Friday, Nov. 10, 2006. (AP Photo/Tony Gutierrez)
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 05:45 PM
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16. they're baaack!!
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 11:50 AM
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27. Since 2002, Gates has been *overseeing* Poppy's secret papers at Texas A&M.
Poppy's friends are everywhere.


COLLEGE STATION, TX - On May 5, 2003 the Bush Museum Issues Forum will host Texas A&M University President Dr. Robert M. Gates. The program begins at 6:30 p.m. in the Presidential Conference Center. President Gates will step out of his role as Texas A&M President, and speak about national security issues and a post-war Iraq.

Dr. Gates, a former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, became the Texas A&M University president in 2002. Dr. Gates is the only employee in the CIA's history to rise from an entry-level employee to director. In his career with the CIA and the National Security Council he served six presidents. Dr. Gates has been awarded the National Security Medal, the Presidential Citizens Medal, has twice received the National Intelligence Distinguished Service Medal, and has three times received CIA's highest award, the Distinguished Intelligence Medal. The highly decorated Gates authored a book, From the Shadows: The Ultimate Insider's Story of Five Presidents and How They Won the Cold War.

http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/pressreleases/GatesPR.html
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 05:47 PM
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17. GIVE 'EM HELL HARRY REID!!!
:kick:

That's right Harry! Give them NO Quarter!

:kick:
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 05:48 PM
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19. Thanks Harry - you've got to ask about Iran Contra
Edited on Sat Nov-11-06 05:49 PM by savemefromdumbya
in fact more might come out about Iran Contra. Since the present Bush admin is infested with personnel from Iran Contra now?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 05:51 PM
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20. they should use the confirmation proceedings to get him to lie
about something--perhaps some personal sexual matter

then use that lie to prosecute him and possibly to reopen the Iran Contra investigation and nail a few more of those bastards

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 11:05 PM
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22. he's already lied
time to nail him on them
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 11:19 PM
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23. Let's just say the Bu$h I
and Raygun, post mortem, and all of their cabal should be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity, this includes Gates.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:22 AM
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24. Kick. This is critically important to drag out, examine and EXPOSE!
Poppy's pals are moving back into the White House for a "do-over." Poppy and his pals are finally getting his *second term*....

Not so fast, BFEE.

:puke:
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BlueCollar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:30 AM
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26. Gates should fit in perfectly with the current administration
Sue Cheney didn't pen this statement?


In rebuttal, Gates said Walsh's 1994 report was "unjustifiably disparaging, unbalanced, filled with innuendo and insinuation, and draws conclusions not supported by the evidence."
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 01:19 PM
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29. Firewall
Edited on Sun Nov-12-06 01:21 PM by sattahipdeep
Reagan had approved illegal arms sales to Iran in fall 1985, before
any covert-action finding had been signed.

The act was a clear felony -- a violation of the Arms Export Control Act
-- and possibly an impeachable offense... everyone at the meeting knew
that Reagan had approved those shipments through Israel... Bush, who
had been told of the shipment in advance by McFarlane, said nothing.

Casey, who had requested that the president sign the retroactive finding
to authorize the CIA-facilitated delivery, said nothing.

http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/hamiltoniran-contra.htm

Baker Botts...September 11th
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4358017,00.html
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 12:21 PM
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28. The Sgt Shultz Defense "I know nothing I see nothing" is not good enough...
... this is not a bureaucrat position that if it is mishandled will only cost us money. THis is a position that literally has the lives our soldiers hanging in the balance.

It is not good enough for the #2 man to say he did not know, be less than candid and forthcoming, especially at such a critical time when Congressional oversight will be paramount in getting us out of Iraq.

Hope these DEMs follow through and fully explore his pitiable performance under oath when Iran/Contra investigations were conducted. If they do, they will get a preview of coming attractions if they confirm Gates.
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