Democrats win... So Dean should be ousted -- That's a good plan

[Armstead]

The DLC is soooo upset that after they lost their stranglehold on power, the Democratic Party begins to make a comeback.

Therefore one of the people responsible for this success should be outsted because he isn't DLC enough. That's very logical. (Sarcasm)

I hope we're not going to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory this time.

[drm604]

1. Dean's being ousted?

Say it aint so!

[Armstead]

5. It aint so yet -- But some prominent Dems want to

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2676660&mesg_id=2676660

[Epiphany4z]

2. is all this Dean

should go crap based on anything other than Carvells blather? Is it just something to talk about so we don't have to keeping hearing Bush got a spanking?

[mmonk]

4. DLC IMO.

[cali]

11. Clintons not DLC

and yes the two are enmeshed, but this is all about Hillary. Period.

[mmonk]

14. Don't care.

Tell them the K street military industrial complex project was rejected by the voters and to go to the back of the line with the republicans, the beaten k street MIE project.

[AnneD]

30. Bill was a past president of the DLC

maybe this will help

"The DLC was founded in 1985. The past chairs include former President Bill Clinton, Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana, Sen. Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut, former Rep. Dave McCurdy of Oklahoma, former Sen. John Breaux of Louisiana, former Sen. Sam Nunn of Georgia, former Sen. Charles Robb of Virginia, and former House Democratic Leader Richard Gephardt of Missouri."



http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=86&subid=85&contentid=893

you can go to the home page and get more info.

[Armstead]

6. Carville's a mouthpiece for the DLC types

[bobbolink]

3. Shows the depth of wisdom of the DLC, eh?

Off With Their Heads!

I mean that in a good way, of course. :hi:

[JeffR]

7. I think most of this is empty DLC rhetoric

Over the next two years, they'll be forced to accept that their time has passed. What worked brilliantly in 1992, strategically and tactically, is now laughably dated. Naturally, they won't admit this graciously, or any time soon.

[AnneD]

8. Didn't the DLC

run Lamont's campaign. Yeah, that really worked. Dean is the most motivational person I met in the DEM party. Thanks but no thanks.

[QuestionAll...]

17. yes, absolutely Dean was a big glue for this success...

just talking gutspeak here, but that guy I can believe.

too bad about that stupid 'scream'


just have to wonder 'bout that silliness and who supported it.

[Pale Blue Dot]

20. The DLC had absolutely nothing to do with Lamont's campaign

I don't know where you're getting that, but it has no basis in fact.

[AnneD]

27. I heard they sent advisors out

I know he had a lot of DLC folk supporting him.

[Pale Blue Dot]

29. Lamont? Had a lot of DLC support? What?

Can you back up that absurd statement?

[AnneD]

31. Maybe it was because I read

this headline.

Hillary Clinton Lends Political Advisor To Lamont...
Political Wire | Posted August 26, 2006 03:12 PM

READ MORE: Hillary Clinton, Ned Lamont
Howard Wolfson, one of Sen. Hillary Clinton's (D-NY) closest political advisers, said he will join Ned Lamont's (D) U.S. Senate campaign in Connecticut as an adviser, the AP reports.

In a meeting with Clinton yesterday, Lamont discussed campaign strategy and Clinton offered to host a fundraiser for him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/08/26/hillary-clinton-lends-pol_n_28062.html



or maybe this gave me pause.

<snip>
"Lieberman, whose candidacy has been boosted by national GOP support, was also challenged on how much he's doing to support the Democratic Party's attempts to gain a majority in Congress. Since Lieberman's support is strongest among Republican voters, Democrats fear that he'll jeopardize several Democrats' Congressional campaigns in close races by drawing more GOP voters to the polls.

"How important is it to you that the Democrats retake control of the House and Senate?" asked one student, alluding presumably to Lieberman's decision not to support the three Democratic candidates in hot state congressional races. The three incumbent Republican congressmen have officially backed or otherwise praised Lieberman.

Lieberman didn't say he'd help Democratic congressional candidates in Connecticut win. Instead, he said his best hope is "working as hard as I can to, to get elected," then "organize with Democrats" once elected."
<snip>

http://www.newhavenindependent.org/archives/2006/10/lieberman_at_sc.php

I think the DLC was hedging their bets...making nice with Lamont even though Joe was DLC. And I think Joe was aided by the GOP. I think Joe likes the double dutch door action and I feel sorry for folks in the nutmeg state cause Joe is an independent and is going to flip on you. If I am wrong I'll happily eat the glass from my crystal ball.

[blm]

37. That coincided with the timing when Lamont's campaign started to sputter.

Kinda like when Kerry's team took on Clinton wunderkid, Joe Lockhart, who immediately got himself in the middle of the CBS BushAwol story making it appear to be a Kerry campaign trick.

[AnneD]

42. Makes ya want to go

humm....Look I really don't have a crystal ball-but I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday either. That campaign was nipped in the bud. As per Ann Richards-“I've always said that in politics, your enemies can't hurt you, but your friends will kill you.” I think Lamont's campaign was killed just like Dean's campaign was sabotaged. Why do the DEM's keep putting up with the same anemic candidates? That's the 64K question. I saw plenty of good old fashioned DEM candidates running this time and there are more in the wings. The Iraq war has brought us new veterans and new life to our campaigns.

[dansolo]

25. No, they ran LIEBERMAN's campaign

You know, the guy who lost the nomination.

[AnneD]

28. I am sure he got lots of help

for the GOP. They really had an anemic candidate and from the looks of the voters-GOP and Independent voters went for Leiberman. The Dem's were for Lamont.

[porphyrian]

9. Academics and think-tankers are often socially retarded geniuses.

Some of them are more married to being right than the truth. Let 'em gasbag all day if it makes them feel better. They know they couldn't have done it without the rest of us.

[Stuckinthebush]

44. Ehem....

This academic is a tad bit offended by that remark. Most academicians I have worked with and known (and we are talking about a large number) are very much interested in finding "truth". Of course, we can get into an entire discussion on post-modernity here and the meaning of "truth", but that is another post.

The scientific method is not interested in opinions and most academicians are trained scientists. Most academicians I know are also not socially retarded. They may not watch Dancing with Stars, but they are quite capable of carrying on intelligent, relevant conversations at dinner parties.

I have no information on think-tankers, however.

[Mojambo]

10. This battle has been brewing for a while

Might as well have it now between elections.

Progressives didn't ask for this fight. We got behind the big tent philosophy. We welcomed anti-choice candidates, pro war candidates, and southern conservatives in 2006. We did it even while the DLC subverted the will of our voters in CT. And what did we get for it after the election? A knife in the back by the DLC.

Let's throw it down now, because I don't think the two factions can co-exist.

[Armstead]

13. They shoulod be able to co-exist but Craville should....

...shut the f***k up.

My God what was he thinking, to stir the pot at a time when Democrats are still basking in victory?

[Mojambo]

15. I would like to think they could co-exist

But if they can see fit to attack Dean mere days after one of the great moments in Democratic party history, I wonder if it's possible at all.

I have extreme doubts that the DLC is going to hop on board.

[QuestionAll...]

19. Jamestrong Carwilliams? nt

[Cha]

38. Like he could give a shit..

This is the guy who made bog woodward's book in the traitor section.

[onethatcares]

16. I agree with you, the 50 state push is what worked

it worked the way one million one dollar donations worked. It gave us all a hand, including all the folks you listed, a chance to be part of the entire picture. It also gave us all a chance to see how big the umbrella is and if we're gonna be for diversity it can't be in words only.

[SharonAnn]

23. And even TN, where we lost the Senate race, helped because we kept

Republican money and talent tied up, here fighting Harold Ford, Jr., so they couldn't be redeployed somewhere else to fight one of our other candidates.

If we only fight in a few states, then the Republicans can put all their firepower (money and people) in those few states to fight us.

Better to make them fight for every inch. Then when opportunities knock, we're there and we're ready!

[AnneD]

33. Like the saying goes

fight them til hell freezes over then fight 'em on the ice.

[Cha]

39. I like that saying!

Never heard it.

[AnneD]

41. First time I heard it was

David Van Os who was the Dem challenger for attorney general this cycle. We worked hard and flipped a few seats in the House to the DEM and also flipped some in the state legislature-but it is an uphill battle. He is a regular at DU and I think he has a bright future in Texas.

The DLC is trying to take over the DNC and frankly, Howard Dean speaks for me and they had better start giving the guy some respect. The 50 state plan is working and we need to get back to core Dem values. If you go to bed with these corperations, you are just as dirty as they are. The DLC is GOP lite in my book. They need to remember who takes them to the dance, and it isn't the corperations. Last time I heard, it still takes the most votes.

[sarge43]

12. Ah DLC and especially you Carville

The parade's past you by. Get over it.

[Hippo_Tron]

18. Carville needs to get back in the game if he thinks that he can do better

It's easy to criticize when you're paid by CNN to sit around and do it all day.

[Guaranteed]

21. Hey, if they REALLY don't want him in there, he can just run for President

again in 2008.

[Jacobin]

22. Its now a battle for the soul of the party

The corporatist dems want the populists out...........now that we've handed them a victory.

[Armstead]

24. Oh I hope not -- We just had a battle for the soul of the USA

We need some R&R instead of a circular firing squad.

[onethatcares]

26. not a circular firing squad,

we have a moment to define what the Democratic Party stands for. We worked hard for it, all of us, whether it was working phone banks, canvassing neighborhoods, putting bumperstickers on our vehicles. We are sick and tired of career politicians that work only to maintain the status quo for themselves. It is time to put America first, be it healthcare, social services, fixing the fucking potholes on the streets, it's time for all of us to benefit from the greatest dream ever. I was glad to see the Dems deciding to cut lobbyists out, that is the best start ever. I'm not a college educated person but I know and believe that America is better than what it's become for it's own people.

[AnneD]

36. I'm with you...

I didn't do all this work for the DLC. I did it for the DNC headed up by Howard Dean. This was not a crazy leftist. I am a radicalized American that sees the DEM party as the best way to get my country back. The DLC needs to get THAT message through their head.

[Cha]

40. Yeah, good luck getting

votes without the grassy netroots.

[blm]

43. It's the COVERUP Dems who want anti-corruption, open government Dems shut down.

They need to get Clinton2 in there to coverup for Bush2 the way Bill covered up for Bush1.

[orleans]

32. (the DLC should fuck off -- the rest of us are busy winning!) n/t

[Cleita]

34. Isn't that the height of idiocy?

Those guys need to form their own party and leave our "commie/socialist" one alone, you know the one that had the backs of the working class for almost a century. All of a sudden they want us to change into DINOS like them?

[Cha]

35. Make sense of that! And I was just thinkin'

yesterday when melhman was quitting that at least Dean won't have any probs with that now after we got both the House & the Senate!!

Can you imagine if we would have lost both what they would have been sayin' about Dean on corporatemediawhorenooze?