Dean/Carville etc. is NOT about DLC/Centrists it's about HILLARY

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***Disclaimer, this is purely my own opinion but I'd like for Hillary supporters to give me a good reason to doubt it.***

Carville is firmly in the Hillary camp.

So is Rahm Emannuel, Chuck Schumer, and probably, Harold Ford, who the Clinton's love.

Why do you think Emmanuel and Schumer are getting all the credit for the win from her people in the media, while Dean is ignored or calls are made for him to step aside?

Hillary. Hillary wanted Clinton's Chief of Staff, Harold Ickes, as Chair but Dean got it instead. He has never bent to kiss her ring and now they are after him, because Hillary is starting up her campaign. Obviously having someone from the Hillary Camp as Chair of the DNC is going to help her in the primaries.

Please don't start attacking your fellow Dems, conservative, moderate or liberal over this purely political move by one campaign.

[Vincardog]

1. The fact remains that Hillary is DLC RepugLite and a Hawk to boot

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4. That is incidental

This is a pre-primary campaign move.

[burythehatchet]

2. It is precisely the reason why I will not lift a finger

to help Hillary.

[Justitia]

3. No, I'm laying blame where blame is due. CARVILLE is the shit-stirrer here, no one else. -eom

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5. Give me his motivation, then

Tell me why the MSM are pumping up Emmanuel and Schumer and ignoring Dean. Which campaign has people all throughout the media, yapping in their ears?

[Justitia]

11. Carville is a jealous asshole, he misses the adoring limelight. The others want to claim victory

for themselves, their strategies, etc.

With Carville it's purely personality politics.

The others want to claim credit and conveniently squeeze out those they don't particularly agree with in ideology. They are hoping that perception becomes reality.

We shouldn't drag someone into it, who has thus far, been smart enough not to open their mouth like dipshit Carville did.

[cali]

18. Sorry, unfortunately that's just not true.

The Clintons fought desperately to keep Dean out of that position, and it's one of D.C.'s worst kept secrets that they want him out. He's a roadblock to them. And by the way, the Clintons are not fond at all of the net roots. They want one of their own in. As I said, it's one of the worst kept secrets in town.

[me b zola]

21. Political ambition on steroids is what we had with the bush* cabal...

...that is certainly not what I want nor what I feel is good for the Democratic party. Jesus. What happened to the party of the people?

[cali]

22. I'm afraid, my friend

we're gonna have to fight for it.

[acmavm]

6. Carville soooo wants to be relevant again. He's gonna stick

his face in front of every camera and hype Hil from now until 11/08. We'd all better have good, strong gag reflexes.

[mmonk]

7. All the people attacking their fellow dems lately

on the public stage are DLC, if I'm not mistaken (Hillary's campaign not withstanding).

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9. Although that may be true

It is only because one is joined to the other. Hillary is the DLC choice.

[barb162]

8. Do you have any quotes by Schumer , Emanuel, etal

to support your statement

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12. Here is Emanuel's endorsement of Hillary for President

http://www.votehillary.org/CMS/node/383

As for Schumer, I will try to find something, this is more common knowledge than public statements.

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14. Non-denial denial

Is all I can find from Schumer on Hillary, right now.

And finally, the dodge: Will Schumer support Hillary? "Well, let's let her announce first."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rachel-sklar/russert-watch-andrea-mit_b_24285.html

Unless he runs himself, most assume he will support his fellow New York Senator, they are close and work together all the time and vote the same way, as well.

[soleft]

10. and if Gore did get in the mix

Dean would definitely be in his camp

I'm wondering tho - if there might be a way - instead of just attacking Carville - to somehow work to prop up Dean, or whoever it is in the party it is we identify without - and disengage from the infighting. If Carville wants to prop up Hillary by attacking Dean fine, we don't have to prop up Dean by attacking Hillary.

[The Deacon]

13. While Carville & Other Irrelevant

Pseudo-Dems are out there anointing Hillary (with the MSM breathlessly hanging on every word) the New Democrat/Blue Dog Coalition/Progressive Club are going to be electing a ticket with John Edwards and Wesley Clark. You think they made all those campaign appearances because of James Carville? They did it because Howard Dean asked them to. Rahm Emmanuel? He and his "super agent" brother dismissed at least 15 candidates who went ahead & won - and they'll have voting privileges in caucus. My prediction? Rahm Emmanuel will be nominated to head a sub-committee which oversees American diplomatic efforts in Mongolia. He's toast unless he can explain why he withheld money from so many promising campaigns.

[melissinha]

15. Notice how they have Carville, Begala, Emanuel and Schumer

in the press... they all take credit..... Carville and Begala are always propping Hills.... but they never invite Deano.... well.. I agree with you all, they may have raised money, but Deano came up with the winning strategy and got them more money, more manpower to boot.

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16. They and others have the mike but they can't kill Dean

He really was the choice of the rank and file and it won't be so easy to just badmouth him out of his position, not after this huge victory.

What they want and what they will get are two different things.

[The Deacon]

17. Democrats Watch

Jon Stewart & Keith Olbermann. Both have had Dean on & congratulated him on his win. The Old Farts just can't quite give up power - remember Mayor Daly, George Meany & Frank Rizzo wouldn't let loose of the reins of power in '72? We had to add a couple of primaries to finally wrest control from their cold, dead hands.

[melissinha]

19. Points well taken, that is encouraging

I am glad someone has caongratulated him.

Maybe we should send him a gift.... or maybe a gift to the wife Dr. Judy for sharing him with us.

[SmokingJacket]

20. Hmm... makes some sense.

It seems bizarre how violently some members of the "moderate" crew jumped all over the "lefties" and so quickly. This explains it... Emmanuel and Carville appear to have their heads up their asses.

[Skidmore]

23. Yup, yup, yuppers.

Hillary's camp needs to settle down for a bit. Doesn't she have some senatoring to do?

[sandnsea]

24. As were the Kerry smears

The money smear and the 'inappropriate' joke smear. Alot of us saw this coming quite some time ago, some (MadFloridian) earlier than others (me).

[hedgehog]

25. Just once I'd like to see us go through Primary season and

come out with a real people's choice instead of the establishment's annointed one!

[goclark]

26. Carville is firmly in his wife's camp!