If Waterboarding isn't torture...

[ck4829]

Then why doesn't a Republican volunteer to show us how it is done?

Any takers?

[mediacenter]

1. Definitions

I suppose the definition of torture lies with the person on the receiving end of the treatment.
During the Vietnam War our men were subjected to the worst type of physical abuse, way beyond water boarding, way beyond what is handed out at Gitmo....

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

2. How do you know the "methods" of what is "handed out" at GTMO, when

it is shrouded in secrecy and even the shrub and Cheney say they won't talk about methods so the captives can't be "prepared" for them?

Where does your special knowledge come from?:shrug:

[Kerrytravelers]

14. I could guess where the special knowledge comes from...

... but I'd be "disappeared."









Speaking of... Hi, Agent Mike! :hi:

[TexasLawyer]

24. they can't talk about their methods

because they're trying to avoid a criminal trial at the Hague.

[Kerrytravelers]

5. Could you prove that, please? I'd love to know all the inside on Gitmo.

[Hissyspit]

7. Don't worry about THIS torture! It's not nearly as bad as THIS OTHER torture

we could do to you.

Don't worry about your knees being smashed! At least we are not cracking your skull open!

Please... We shouldn't be doing any torture at all. Period.

[leftchick]

18. really?

have you personally witnessed the treatment of Gitmo prisoners? That would be pretty cool considering the US has not even let the ICRC in.

:eyes:

[Kerrytravelers]

20. Buh-bye!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

21. Man some of these guys just don't TRY that hard anymore.

[Kerrytravelers]

22. I couldn't believe how easy it was. It is like they've just given up.

There were no links to wing-nut sites, no serious spinning, just some weak attempt at pretending to be a liberal. Following this fool from thread to thread was actually becoming entertaining! :rofl:



Edited to add; Perhaps we should practice water boarding on weak freeper troll attempts.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

23. No I actually meant more that dude made no attempt to blend in whatsoever.

Every post stuck out like a sore thumb, minus the all caps and exclamation points.

If I were going to try and troll a site like DU, especially if I wanted to have any longevity at all, I suppose a bunch of "supportive" posts on threads to build up a little post count first would help, and then perhaps a bit more sly on the "provocative" posts. Oh well. Some people gotta flame out fast.

[Kerrytravelers]

25. I see, and I totally agree. He didn't even try, He came right out

being completely transparent. How sad.

Looks like the freepers are sending in their second string players.

[Richard Steele]

26. I think many of them are simply incapable of grasping the concept.

Like: my Mom believing that B*sh is a Christian. Of course,
there's absolutely NO reason to believe this, and massive
amounts of evidence to the contrary. But she believes he is...
because he says so.

This guy, like many, seemed to be the CONVERSE of that same
phenomenon. He -SAID- he was one of us, and simply couldn't
get it through his head that we didn't BELIEVE him.

He really thought that his saying something was exactly
the same as us believing it.

This seems, to me, to be very revealing. Evidence of a very
glaring FLAW in their most basic thought processes.
A large 'Blind Spot' in their brains that they can't see
even when we spell it out for them.

[Kerrytravelers]

28. They don't seem to understand that using wing-nut verbiage isn't

going to fly on a left-wing site.

Duh.

[Richard Steele]

29. Yup. Like they can't see any difference between "wearing camoflage"...

...and carrying a big sign that reads, "You can't see me".

I swear, that guy's probably still scratching his head
and wondering, "How did they know?"

[Kerrytravelers]

30. Bwaaaaaahhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!

He'll scratch a hole in his head first!

I do take issue with one thing though... these basement warriors never wore the real camouflage a day in their lives! :rofl:

[Ravenseye]

27. When it happened to our troops it was torture

We tried and convicted multiple Japanese soldiers after World War 2 for war crimes because they water boarded american troops...so the defintion, lying with the group on the recieving end (ie the U.S.) was that it is torture...at least until Emperor Bush came along.

[Kerrytravelers]

31. Need not bother explaining anything to a disruptor...

And not even a good disruptor at that!

[Ravenseye]

32. I disagree

Plenty of stories get posted on here by former freepers and lurkers who at one time mocked us, but who were awakened by the constant barage of fact and truth.

Someone wants to post something ignorant, I think it's good to counter it with truth.

This particular disruptor might not listen, but another lurker might open his eyes wider.

[Kerrytravelers]

33. It could have been interesting if he'd countered with something that

actually led to a conversation.

Perhaps they will mull it over and come back. But, like any disruptor, people hit alert.

[blogslut]

3. Waterboarding is the most insidious kind of torture

...because it doesn't leave marks. If the victim's heart stops, they can chalk it up to "natural causes".

Evil.

[Nolo_Contendre]

4. It happens all the time

Cheney and the torture policies he promotes are pure state sanctioned murder - as evil as it gets.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1094984,00.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/03/16/national/w111607S94.DTL

[soup]

34. "If Nothing Breaks"

Your post reminded me of a poem I came across this morning. Seems appropriate to share it here:

Catherine Wiley

45 years old

If Nothing Breaks

It is not torture if nothing breaks
if the dog's teeth click without meeting skin
if the bruise is blue but does not turn yellow
if the bile is yellow but does not turn green
if the bone leaves the socket without piercing skin
if eyeballs roll to white but stay inside the sockets
if eyelids close but the tears number less than 20
if electrodes dangle but are not connected
if the noose is never tightened
if pain turns to fear but fear does not turn to pain
if screams do not sound like songs
if we understand they'd do the same or worse to us
if imagination offers something else
if no one takes a picture
if no one writes it down
if no one puts it up online
if no one says no
http://poetsagainstthewar.org/displaypoem.asp?AuthorID=27391#453084133

[photogirl12]

6. Can we volunteer someone? n/t

[Kerrytravelers]

9. I volunteer freepers who haven't enlisted yet!

[photogirl12]

10. I second that!

[deacon]

8. I volunteer Denny Hastert n/t

[Dean Corso]

11. Local Police

If water boarding isn't torture...I guess nobody would have a problem with State Police or Local Police using it.If a kid goes missing,the first people suspected is the parents.Let's waterboard them to see what they know.
Or use it on the people involved in the Mark Foley investigation to see what they know.

[Kerrytravelers]

12. Sounds like a good theory. If water boarding isn't torture, let's use it in school!

I'd love nothing more than a handy-dandy do-it-yourself water board kit right by my desk. Forget your homework? Come on up!

[newyawker99]

16. Hi Dean Corso!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

13. If, as the Faux News bloviators seem to suggest, waterboarding isn't torture,

but merely an unpleasant, annoying experience, I urge Hannity and DildO'Reilly and John Gibson, not to mention the other blowhards like Limpballs and Savage, to volunteer to experience it on live television. That way they can confirm that it's merely irritating, no worse than a bit of sand in your underpants. I also believe it would be highly appropriate for any government official who thinks waterboarding is no big deal to undergo it as well.

[Kerrytravelers]

15. Some of these self-loathing freaks might enjoy it too much!

:rofl:

[Paula Sims]

17. Why? To open our secrets to 'da enemy'?

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

You hate our freedoms, want to give aways our secrets, and don't forget terra, terra all the time, terra on the 10's!!


:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[Mr_Spock]

19. Cheney really should lead the way on this...