If you want to know why some of us are so excited about the Haggard story, watch this

[StellaBlue]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmNjfpoRZpE

:rofl:

[AnnInLa]

1. Thanks for that! LOL

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. How many pianos had to die for those TEETH?

[wakeme2008]

3. Weekly Talks with BUSH (and a big NOM for Bush

:rofl:

[StellaBlue]

4. ANOTHER reason to love Dawkins.

:loveya:

[OwnedByFerrets]

5. Richard Dawkins is fantastic.

Haggard creeps me out. He is an evil man who manipulates people to give him money and support his agendas.

[H2O]

18. First time for me

I have never heard of Dawkins until I popped in here happened upon that thread.

Haggard is scary and he is also wrong about the Bible. There some contradictions in scripture; after all we(christians) say that Jesus was both fully human and fully devine and that is indeed a contradiction and has been called in certain circles, "The Great Mystery"

On a side note, I can point to a passage in scripture that has an echo in the world of politcs(so to speak)

The first sentence in the Gospel according to John is "In the beginning, there was The Word". In our world, we have a phrase "The pen is mightier than the sword". Unfortunately, in this age of ours, we are seeing what can happen when the "pen" is in the wrong hands.

[Toots]

68. How did they know about the Colbert Report way back then?

:shrug:

[diamidue]

81. "pen is in the wrong hands"

Did you know that Haggard has written over 10 books? Check it out over at Amazon. This guy is selling his spiritual "wisdom" as fast as Sylvia Browne.

[Hulsey13]

84. Oh, I SO read this subject line wrong.

I read the heading "pen is in the wrong hands" as "penis in the wrong hands."

Sorry. But still laughing.

[texasleo]

6. lol

[malaise]

7. On CNN now breaking

Here we go. :rofl:

[OwnedByFerrets]

15. Falwell is distancing himself from Haggard with haste. nt

[LiberalinNC]

8. delete

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

12. I suppose you mean their feminine "side."

Oh yes, effeminate men are sooo funny.

:eyes:

[LiberalinNC]

16. delete

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

19. *sigh*

:banghead:

[twilight_sailing]

9. Colorado Springs is

a hotbed of weirdos.

[Psst_Im_Not_Here]

50. I'm in the Springs

And the response is:

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

Then there's mine:

:wow: :wow: :wow: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

It's not that we're all nut jobs here, truly. The nuts are just the loudest, unfortunately. My reaction was similar to many around here.

[TexasLinda]

55. I used to live in Colorado Springs

It's an absolutely beautiful city with a lot of kind, decent people. It's unfortunate that so many wingnuts have moved there. They've given the city an undeserved reputation for general craziness.

[donheld]

60. You be careful with that you hear?

Haggard did this :wow: and wound up in a whole lot of trouble :D

[Psst_Im_Not_Here]

62. Did I mention

the I live not 2 blocks from the new "New Life Church" they are building? It's one ugly bohemoth and I'm glad it's far enough that I can't see it from my house.

[Buzz Clik]

71. self delete

post misplaced. sorry.

[twilight_sailing]

80. Pardon me, please, Psst_Im_Not_Here

Sometimes I am such a grumpy old man. ;)

[Ian David]

10. Here's a version that's two minutes longer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkUi6dhwWx0

See also:

Root of All Evil 1: Ted Haggard and his ignorance of science
09:48
Reposted by request.

In his 2-part documentary, 'Root of All Evil?' Richard Dawkins exposes some of the worst facets of religious belief, demonstrating that blind faith, and religion of all kinds, is divisive and dangerous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXh-nCAsrd4

[joeunderdog]

57. At Minute 5 of the OP's link, it gets REAL GOOD.

What an arrogant fuck this asshole is.

[tridim]

11. We need alot more Richard Dawkins' types interviewing these freaks

He's really good.

[leftchick]

13. Damn!

The lips on that guy! Damn!

:rofl:

[MuseRider]

14. Ewwwww

EWWWWWWWWWW!

Even if I tended to go for that sort of thing I would have beat it out of there because this guy is very creepy. Not arrogant? LOL.

[opihimoimoi]

21. Those lips could suck a horse....EWWWWwwwwwwwww

[MuseRider]

24. Shoot me now opi

I can't live with that in my brain.

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[opihimoimoi]

26. After all that kerry thing, this is the best medicene the Kahuna could order

for us...laughter.

[MuseRider]

27. True that.

I do love seeing these "holier than thou" people go down. Nothing I hate more than someone who claims to know it all and because you believe differently something bad, horrible will happen to you. Damn it is good when they go down (oops, did not mean that the way it sounds but I think I will leave it) especially when they are so harmful to so many people.

Mahalo

[opihimoimoi]

42. I concur...Mahalo Mucho

[NRaleighLiberal]

17. That video really gave the creeps. And to think that my brother

is one of these followers....should have watched it on Halloween night, would have been a perfect fit.

[BrotherBuzz]

20. Knows nothing of the Nuremberg Rallies?

Christ on a pogo stick, Karl Barth is crying in his grave because this impostor's ignorance.

[jimshoes]

25. Wow, how does someone his age

not know anything of the Nuremburg rallies? Wonder if he's ever heard of World War 2?

[BrotherBuzz]

28. Nuremburg rallies were mentioned many times in my Sunday School studies.

It's basic stuff for modern liberal Christians. Oh, did I say liberal Christian teaching? Oh well. ;)

[Warpy]

29. Those southern and midwestern bible colleges

teach all about an alternative universe but fall short of things like math, science and history.

[knitter4democracy]

59. Mine didn't, but we were lucky to have good profs.

Profs who covered tough subjects, knowing they could get in trouble for it. Some evangelical colleges are better at it than ours was, and some are worse.

There really are profs at evangelical colleges who want to teach critical thinking and the difficult parts of math, science, history, and literature. I was lucky to have most of our college's good profs. It was a constant battle for them, though. Constant battle.

[Old and In the Way]

22. This ain't gonna help the Republican GOTV.

In fact, I suspect that it's going to be the proverbial stick that broke the elephant's back. This is a direct hit at the core of the Republican base. Between Foley and this joker, there's a very significant fact that neither Party reflects their anti-gay values....and, worse, the Party they are aligned with lies to them about it. If the gay issue nueutralizes the Republican advantage, the base either finds a new home or doesn't bother to vote on 11/7.

I'm a practicing agnostic, but this makes me wonder if there isn't a God....

[berni_mccoy]

23. Haggard is a FUCKING ARROGANT NUT-JOB!

[Joanne98]

30. We've hit the JACKPOT! RECOMMEND THIS THREAD!

[malaise]

32. KO will discuss shortly

He mentioned Haggard at the beginning and at every break.

[Brundle_Fly]

31. Gaydar

overload

[Marr]

36. No kidding!

And a total nutjob on top of it.

[Nay]

49. Agreed. Def gaydar overload here as well.

Now, why couldn't Haggart just accept himself, fall in love with a nice guy, and live a happy life?

[Pachamama]

56. My Gaydar went way off.....

And as I watched this, I pictured this man talking about the sin of homosexuality, and then turning around, getting in his pickup truck for a tryst with his gay escort.

I also can't say that any of this surprises me....but had I seen this video and the news story hadn't broken on the Gay prostitute claiming he had regular sex for the last 3 years with Haggard, I'd still have had my Gaydar going way off....

I'm sure the Fundies head's are exploding right now....

[Joanne98]

33. SOLDIERS OF CHRIST Harpers Magazine (Ted Haggard)

Soldiers of Christ I
Inside America's most powerful megachurch with Pastor Ted Haggard
Posted on Thursday, November 2, 2006. Originally from May 2005. By Jeff Sharlet.
Sources

Jesus, 1871

They are drawn as if by magnetic forces; they speak of Colorado Springs, home to the greatest concentration of fundamentalist Christian activist groups in American history, both as a last stand and as a kind of utopia in the making. They say it is new and unique and precious, embattled by enemies, and also that it is “traditional,” a blueprint for what everybody wants, and envied by enemies. The city itself is unspectacular, a grid of wide western avenues lined with squat, gray and beige box buildings, only a handful of them taller than a dozen stories. Local cynics point out that if you put Colorado Springs on a truck and carted it to Nebraska, it would make Omaha look lovely. But the architecture is not what draws Christians looking for clean living. The mountains help, but there are other mountain towns. What Colorado Springs offers, ultimately, is a story.

Lori Rose is from Minnesota and heard rumors about this holy city when she lived on an Air Force base near Washington, D.C. Her husband isn't a Christian, refuses Jesus, looks at things he shouldn't; but she has found a church to attend without him and joined a marriage study group there. Ron Poelstra came from Los Angeles. Now he volunteers at his church, selling his pastor's books on “free-market theology” after services. His two teenage boys stand behind him, display models for the benefits of faith. L.A., Ron says, would have eaten them up: the gangs. Adam Taylor, now a pastor, grew up in Westchester County, an heir to the Bergdorf Goodman fortune, the son of artists and writers. In Colorado Springs he learned the Bible the hard way, each word a nail pounded into sin.

The story they found in Colorado is about newness: new houses, new roads, new stores. And about oldness, imagined: what is thought to be the traditional way of life, families as they were before the culture wars, after the World Wars, which is to say, during the brief, Cold War moment when America was a nation of single-breadwinner nuclear families.

Crime, of course, looms over this story. Not the actual facts of it—the burglary rate in and around Colorado Springs exceeds that in New York City and Los Angeles—but the idea of crime: a faith in the absence of it. And of politics, too: Colorado Springs' evangelicals believe they live without it, in a carved-out space for civility and for like-minded dedication to common-sense principles. Even pollution plays a part: Christian conservatives there believe that they breathe cleaner air, live on ground untainted by the satanic fires of nineteenth-century industry—despite the smog that collects against the foothills of the Rockies and the cyanide, from a century of mining, that is leaching into the aquifers and mountain streams.

http://www.harpers.org/SoldiersOfChrist.html

Call it the NOVEMBER SURPRISE!

GAWD BLESS REAL CHRISTIANS!

[The Backlash Cometh]

34. "There's nothing I can't do without the strength of your hand?"

Was that the lyrics in that song?

[stevedeshazer]

35. That explains it completely.

A video is worth a million words. :)

[Turn CO Blue]

37. I was just mentioning this interview in another thread w/o knowing

that you had posted the link to YouTube!

Haggard comes off in the last minutes as the most arrogant prick! Dawkins rocks!

[StellaBlue]

39. Yeah I like how he accuses Dawkins of arrogance and

...says he (Haggard) does not make people feel that he is better than them... blah blah

:rofl:

:wow:

[Joanne98]

38. JESUS CAMP

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0486358/trailers-screenplay-E28810-10-2

THIS MEANS WAR! THIS MEANS WAR!

[Marr]

40. Some types of insanity can be extremely profitable.

That man is a nut. But his specific symptoms make him a Bush advisor rather than a homeless guy.

[Catherine Vincent]

41. What's the deal with the way he stretches his lips when he talk?

[Straight Shooter]

47. bush did exactly the same thing when he was younger

Remember that video of him when he was campaigning for governor? It was in comparison to how he is now, the quickness of his mental faculties.

I kept looking at his mouth and thinking, ewwwww, why does he make his lips do that? They were sticking out like a chimpanzee.

It's ugly. How in the world Haggard got to where he is, is beyond me. I can't stand looking at him.

[opihimoimoi]

54. Could be many in his cult have a sucking fetish?? LOL :o)

Those lips look like they could suck the skin off a cuke

[TexasLady]

66. I posted this in LBN, figured it needed a repeat

:rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPMjHr14L58">Jamie Foxx

lots of similarities!

[ecstatic]

83. omg yeah... I was thinking In Living Color

and Fireman Bill actually, but the Wanda character nails it!

[ecstatic]

82. this guy is FUGLY as hell! nt

[MrScorpio]

43. Haggard's an asshole

Now he's a discredited, outed gay, hypocritcal republican asshole

Just desserts, baby

[sqarebis]

74. Agreed

I'm glad his hypocrisy was exposed just before an election too :D

[izzybeans]

44. What an asshole. I must say the comments in that video and the other

Haggard videos are absolutely disgusting.

[Glimmer of Hope]

45. What a freak! Why is Bush having weekly talks with this freak!

[Catherine Vincent]

46. A previous DUer said it was phone sex.

:)

[NNN0LHI]

53. Are you suggesting Bush is not a freak?

As scary as it is to think about, Bush and Haggard are two freaks cut with the same cookie cutter. Hate to be the bearer of bad news.

Don

[Glimmer of Hope]

76. Oh no. Bush is definitely a freak too. I think the focus should be on why

this wacko has weekly contact with * who is also a wacko.

[Warren Stupidity]

48. Richard Dawkins is like a god!

And I mean that with all of its irony.

[StellaBlue]

51. I would marry Dawkins.

And I'm not the marrying kind. I LOVE him.

[mr blur]

61. Unfortunately Richard is already happily married -

to an actress most famous over here for being a regular in Dr Who.

[progressoid]

52. tee hee hee

[stepnw1f]

58. He Looks Like a Wacko Too

sorry... looks shouldn't be used to judge folks, but there is something wrong with his stare.

[Binka]

63. He's A Tweaker

And an arrogant boob. Thank GAWD this guy is fucking BUSTED. The way he smiled that snarky smile at Dawkins and nodded his head and then claimed Dawkins grand kids would think he was wrong. Dawkins OWNED this smarmy bitch.

I am so glad Mike Jones fucking outed this bastard. He needs to be in jail. Meth freak and much more.

[stepnw1f]

73. Hiya Binka!!!

Drug Use, Sexual Repression, and Hypocrisy seem to be prevalent in the GOP these days. Was it always so... fucked up?

[TAPat]

64. Oh, Kick!

HELLO Gaydar! (mine's pretty darn accurate, too :))

[LibertyLover]

65. I've been reading a number of books on evangelical politics

lately and frankly they scare me. But I loved this quote from the Harper's article on Haggard:

I want my finances in order, my kids trained, and my wife to love life. I want good friends who are a delight and who provide protection for my family and me should life become difficult someday . . . I don't want surprises, scandals, or secrets . . .

My kids trained? What the heck does that mean? I'm seeing him and Dobson with whips and dog whistles bullying the kids into a state of submission. As for the friends thing - I hope for his sake right now that he has some friends who will be there for his wife and family. As for the last couple of words, well, I don't think any more needs to be said - except perhaps "ooops".

[lonestarnot]

67. Something about the lip movement is well creepy? Cults for bushitler

are fascinating aren't they?

[BigMcLargehuge]

69. well... there goes MY morning

Now I'll be scouring for all of Richard Dawkins documentary on youtube!

Thanks!!!! :)

[StellaBlue]

70. Ooh, have fun!

:bounce:

There are a bunch of good ones. Also check out www.richarddawkins.net - tons of media on there!

[Buzz Clik]

72. I can't decide which of these two weeds is more repugnant.

Haggard is smarmy, slimy, disgusting, and hypocritical.

Hawkins is manipulative, partially informed, and hostile.

How about we chain them together and give each one a knife?

[princehal]

75. Bwa?

>Hawkins(sic) is manipulative, partially informed, and hostile.

How so, pray tell...

[skypilot]

77. kick

*

[Faux pas]

78. I saw a report on Haggard on 20/20, and he is one scary dood.

His followers are all blindly loyal, just like bush's. His interpretation of the Bible is unlike any I've heard. Taking him down is a good thing, he's poison.

[Raster]

79. Jebus f'ing titties...Remember Boys and Girls: SPEED KILLS!