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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 09:39 PM
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it breaks my heart to realize that 'we' are 'them'
they don't know. they have no idea. this is what my school taught me. i felt so sorry for them. ahhh...those poor people who live behind the iron curtain. they have no idea that they are being told lies and being held in captivity. now...40 years later...i have found the truth...we are them. we have all been lied to. we have all been told stories of disillusionment. we are not a free society. we have been lead to believe that we are, but we are surely prisoners. trouble is, they will have most of us fooled most of the time.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 09:41 PM
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1. It is a sad realization isn't it?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 09:41 PM
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2. We've sold our birth-right for a bowl of porridge and an old blanket.
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Homer Wells Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 09:43 PM
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3. Yup!
The comment from the old Pogo comic strip keeps coming back to me:

We have met the enemy and he is US"
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 09:51 PM
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4. It will be okay. Sometime in the future..near future perhaps. After
the Iraq mess is over with. Maybe in a few months. With legislation coming from the House and committees asking questions.. it will be better. The world is far too connected for some rogues to get power with smoke and mirrors and keep it for long. It seems like this has been forever but really it has only been a few years. And when the Repuke party has to go back to its roots and when the Dems no longer fight orwellian double speak..you will appreciate every single day and all the little things. You'll be like that "greatest generation" who went through hell and then built a great country together. Cause they had been through bad times.. and they knew as a group..very deeply..what is important in life.

It will be okay. You'll see some light on Wednesday next week.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:03 PM
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5. it does seem like forever, and i sincerely hope that you are right
if we do see some light on wednesday, it is just a spark. we have only recently begun to experience the pain and the suffering of what other people have been experiencing. why can't we understand their pain? we will understand their pain. the tables have turned. we have birthed the evil corporations. i am not saying that as a matter of guilt, i am just stating a fact.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:11 PM
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8. I don't think all corporations are evil. surely we need microsoft. But yeah -
there are some evil ones out there. The type of leadership that likely clapped their hands went wars were started.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:13 PM
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12. well...dont get me started on microsoft.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:14 PM
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13. But you use a computer? The whole internet. We need this stuff.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:27 PM
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19. i do not equate microsoft with the internet....hello?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:40 PM
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:18 PM
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17. Thank you, but microsoft is a pus filled canker that nobody needs.
It made its billions by creating shoddy software, then selling repeated upgrades to fix problems that should never have existed in the first place. With predatory practices they undercut other, better software and operating systems and freeze them out of the market.

I've been having a few problems with my pc tonite. Again.

If I sound pissed, please forgive me.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:49 PM
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22. thank you. that is what microsoft is all about. fuck you bill gates!
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:13 PM
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11. I don't think that having the House will be only a spark. Simply by
passing good legislation in the House..even if it doesn't make it past the Senate... it will show the clear alternatives Americans have 1) government that tries to solve problems vs. 2)a Bush Wh that tries not to solve problem. And it will be overwhelmingly obvious to all Americans which is best.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:51 PM
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23. wah wah wah wah wah....wah wah wah wah wah wah wah!!!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:52 PM
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:12 PM
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9. When the republican party goes back to its roots?
Which roots? The roots of the party that insisted on heavy-handed vindictive rule of the south after the civil war, creating animosities that have persisted to this very day? The party that took corruption and graft to new heights under Pres. Grant? The party that enabled the robber barons at the end of the 19th century, crushing the american labor movement with extreme violence, in order to preserve their profit margin? How about the party whose lassiez faire fiscal policies led to the extraordinary market excesses of the 20s which brought on the great depression? Whose Teapot Dome scandal foreshadowed the oil company corruption of half a century later? The party that saw the fascists and nazis as good business partners in the 30s, who saw them as natural allies against the communists, regardless of their own crimes? The party which whipped up red-scare hysteria that created the blacklists and ruined the careers of thousands in the 50s? The party that gave us Nixon in the 60s, and Reagan in the 80s, and...well...here we are.

Those roots?

Fuck em.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:15 PM
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15. The Republicans that didn't start Wars. That would be good.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:06 PM
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6. And many of them willingly watch Government Propaganda TV
also known as Fox News, and they don't even realize it.

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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:10 PM
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7. it ain't just fox...it's every single fricking channel..brainwash tv
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:13 PM
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10. True, but Fox News makes no bones about propping up this regime.

It's sad how easy it was to get so many citizens to toe the party line, not only without question, but with zeal.

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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:22 PM
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18. it's very sad
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:15 PM
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14. Incredible that we were so blind so long
How easy it is.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:17 PM
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16. are we at the beginning of the end?..
or, are we already through the new beginning? I'm calm today, so I'm thinking of universal laws...what goes up...for every action... the only thing certain is change...
http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id112/pg1/...
situationist internationale
by Richard Metzger - May 15, 2001
In society where modern conditions of production prevail, all of life presents itself as an immense accumulation of spectacles. Everything that was directly lived has moved away into a representation.
~~ Guy Debord, Society of the Spectacle

Although little known outside of academic and anarchist circles in America and the UK at the time, the Situationist Internationale provided the philosophical underpinnings of the infamous May '68 worker and student riots in France. During the Seventies, English translations of various Situationist Theory texts became available for the first time and the radical ideas of Guy Debord and Raul Vaneigem reached a larger audience, but at such a late date, some have argued, as to have missed their historical moment.

But the full measure of the Situationist Internationale's influence has yet to be seen. The revolutionary ideas of the Situationists have spread throughout popular culture in unexpected ways (Adbusters magazine, punk rock, The Simpsons, political cartoonist Tom Tomorrow and Processed World magazine, to name a few). Thanks to the Internet, the once obscure Situationist texts which helped lead to the May '68 uprisings are only a click away. The seeds of unrest sown by Debord, Vaneigem and others may still bear more fruit. Remember, in the grand scheme of things, May 1968 is not ancient history: something similar can (and will) happen again . . .

For what once sounded so radical is now beginning to sound like common sense!


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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:45 PM
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21. we are reaching the end...from our terms...our lives have been
very different from others lives. our salvation can only come from caring about the 'least' amongst us.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:10 PM
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25. every second counts of every person's life.....don't give me lalalalala.....
when it comes down to YOU....how do YOU want to be treated?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:05 AM
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29. are you talking to me?
Edited on Tue Oct-31-06 12:07 AM by stillcool47
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:11 PM
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26. I don't think most of us were blind
I do feel we could have done more sooner and fought harder to get the lies out to more people . Many have tried just not enough of us .

I feel guilt for all the deaths that are a direct result of this BCF and all the people who now joined the ranks of the poor and suffering in the USA .

I don;t know what we could have done or what I could have done specifically to prevent this tragic horror or how things will ever be the same for many including myself and all those here who have lost alot .

People never seem to learn and i can't say this time will prove any different .

All I can say is what a loss and sad time we live in .
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:18 PM
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27. here's where i put an end to we the people feeling guilty for what our 'rulers'
have done in our name.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:23 PM
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28. that's what I have to say....how about YOU!!!
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