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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:31 PM
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Testosterone Jesus - Now Fundies Think Christianity has been Feminized!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15488905/site/newsweek /

This wasnt your Daddys religious revival. Last Saturday morning, 200 Christian men gathered in a downtown warehouse in Nashville for a day-long spiritual extravaganza. Inside, strobe lights flashed, and tracks by the Killers thumped from speakers stacked on either side of a stage. Four large video screens showed clips of karate fights, car chases and Jackass-style stunts. Then the music lowered and Christian comedian Brad Stine appeared. With his rat-a-tat delivery and aggressive style, Stine quickly whipped the crowd into a chorus of Amens! A lot of guys out there wouldnt have the balls to be here, he shouted. Are you ready to be a man? Are you ready to kick ass? Are you ready to grab your sword and say, OK family, Im going to lead you? Buckle up. This is GodMen!

The event was the first of what Stine and other organizers hope will be a series of testosterone-fueled Christian mens gatherings across the country. Their purpose: to reassert masculinity within a church structure that they say has been weakened by feminization. They call it an experiment for now and don't expect, or even want, their numbers to grow too quickly. Stine and his friend and manager Mike Smith dreamed up GodMen after reading David Murrows 2005 book, Why Men Hate Going to Church. In it, Murrow points out that on any given Sunday, 13 million more adult women than men attend church in America. We have to find a way to give something that matters to them, says Stine.

One way is to create a worship space where guys can be guys. In most churches, youll see flowers and ferns at the front, says Stine. Thats saying, This is a place that a woman has composed. So GodMen sought to create a place where men could admit to flaws without being judged bad Christians and be unapologetically male, including plenty of rock and roll and sex talk. Theres this idea if you dont drink or dont say bad words, you are doing your Christianity appropriately, and meanwhile, that same guy is on the Internet looking at pornography, Stine says. Its all a smoke screen. We need to admit these issues in order to be free.

The group has three rules. First: only laymen are allowed as speakers, never pastors. If a pastor says the wrong thing he can get fired, Stine says. A layman has nothing to lose. Second: no one under 17 is admitted. One of the biggest issues with men is their sexuality, says Stine. We are tired of Christianity sounding so candy-coated. If we cant talk about real issues, whats the point of the church? And third: no women allowed. (This female reporter was allowed to observe the events while remaining largely out of sight from the crowd.) We want to create an environment where we can talk to each other the way men really do, Smith says, adding that existing mens groups like the Promise Keepersan evangelical ministry for menoften mimic the same church environment that turns some men away.

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:34 PM
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1. More. Sick. Shit.
:eyes:
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:37 PM
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3. Instead of symbolic shields they ought to be grabbing M-16s
in the Army or Marines and getting their butts over to Iraq! They could fight for Jesus there!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:34 PM
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2. Porn-Again Christians!
Gotta love it.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:48 PM
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33. S&M Jesus is a Hell's Angel!!
very clever-- you think that up?
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:39 PM
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4. Jesus Effing Christ! Not Enough War in This World?
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:42 PM
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5. In the 90s they called these buffoons "promise keepers"
:rofl:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:42 PM
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6. The continuation of artificial and simulated male dominance in religion
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 07:43 PM by AZBlue
It's been going on since at least 200 A.D., now it's just getting high-tech.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:46 PM
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7. these are not men I want to know
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:48 PM
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10. LOL
exactly, but more disturbingly, they're so blatantly sexist and piglike that I'm bothered that they will spread like a bad disease. ICK!

The writer should be forced to spend a month traveling with them for calling them "real men". And I won't even get into my disgust about the one ex-pastor saying he picked up a prostitute to help cure his sex addiction. These guys are right wing fanatic nutjobs that are nothing that Christ was. This is the kind of thing that totally makes people of other beliefs think that Christians are nutjobs (don't go there! lol), believe me, they're scarier than any halloween costume I've seen!


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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:46 PM
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8. LOL
Did you suffer through the short video clips on page 3 of the article? OMG, awful, awful, awful! Give these guys their 15 minutes quick, because that's all anyone will be able to stand.

:rofl: :rofl:
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:49 PM
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11. YES!!`
my bro & I suffered through it, shaking our heads... incredibly hilariously BAD! what annoying and cheesy comments and stage antics.

SPINAL TAP MEETS RED NECK CHURCHES
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:48 PM
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32. I totally lost it on the ooghahs - SNL should be this funny!
:rofl: :rofl:
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:47 PM
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9. Yeah, that's the problem ... religion isn't patriarchal ENOUGH!
:eyes:
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:51 PM
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12. No shit!
These yokels just want to eradicate the quaint notion that Jesus was supposed to be this meek guy who looked out for the poor. Nope, he was a hard ass. And all about keeping the wimmen down. :eyes:
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:51 PM
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14. yeah...
they were offended by the promisekeepers....

me too, because they were too right wing in their preaching, and that scared off a lot of nice Godly men, and here these nutjobs think the PK's weren't manly enough. As I said above, the expastor talking about getting a prostitute to cure his sex addiction says it all.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:17 PM
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23. Golly Gee!
Us wimmin had the power to change an entire religion and somehow we missed that. Hmmm.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:51 PM
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13. Sounds as if they are making it safe for men to be jerks. No thanks. We already
have one "Christian" jerk in the white house.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:20 PM
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24. "Grab your sword"
and JERK!! Look! It's a Sword Circle Jerk! :bounce:
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:51 PM
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15. This sort of reminds me
of the end of the hair band era. The practitioners just got more and more ridiculous until people started goin :wtf:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:54 PM
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16. Are they "man" enough to wash each other's feet?
Are they "man" enough to wash each other's feet?

Are they "man" enough to weep?

Are they "man" enough to turn their other cheek when one strikes them? Not to fight back?

Are they "man" enough to forgive those that have harmed them?
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:43 PM
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31. Are they "man" enough to be humble before The Great Mystery?
"Boys Nite Out" has nothing to do with God and if these people are so desensitized that this is what they need.....................



The comment about the flowers and candles was really striking-- flowers and candles are symbols and vehicles of ritual and reverence. If that is "feminized" then So Be It.



Thanks for a great post, DZ.

(Would you mind if I called it "beautiful"? B-) )
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 07:59 PM
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48. That comment struck me, too.
Those flowers and candles go back to the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. They're not there solely because we thought they were pretty and smelled nice. :eyes:
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:56 PM
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17. Will they crank some KMFDM?
NOW IS THE TIME
GET ON THE RIGHT SIDE
WE'LL BE GODLIKE

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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:31 PM
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28. I dont think the Killers are a band you want to use to reclaim masculinity
As evidenced by the lyrics to their single "When You Were Young":

You sit there in your heartache
Waiting on some beautiful boy to
To save you from your old ways
You play forgiveness
Watch him now, here he come

He doesnt look a thing like Jesus
But he talks like a gentleman
Like you imagined when you were young
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:56 PM
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18. I'm not a homosexual, so stop saying that!
Okay, how is a warehouse filled with strobe lights, thumping music about masculine virility and a "no women allowed" policy not, like, totally gay? :rofl:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:38 PM
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42. only the manliest men allowed in!!
fight club meets billy graham
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:17 PM
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43. In the words of the great philosopher Oswalt:
"That's gayer than eight guys f*ckin' nine guys!"
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Syncronaut Seven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:01 PM
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19. Give 'em a break!
Most men aren't that smart. Put them in to testosterone overload, that's the ticket!

Introspection only leads to personal growth, can't have that!

Are men really that stupid?

For a moment I had hope for the species.

Merde.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:11 PM
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20. Want to get more guys in church?
Try free beer and nekkid chicks.
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American Jesus Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:14 PM
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21. So these guys think they're "men", do they?
Try walking on water then. And when you can pull that off, why don't you go hang on a cross for about 9 hours. And then rise from the dead.

When you have accomplished all of that, come talk to Me about "who's the Man".
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:16 PM
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22. I own the domain name christgirl.com. I think her time has come.
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 08:18 PM by Fridays Child
My idea has always been to make her into something of a modern-day female miracle worker. For example, instead of chasing money changers from the temple, Christgirl would chase commercial advertisers from the public schools.

But with the appearance of Godmen, Christgirl may have a new mission. These guys need to be taught a lesson. Any suggestions?
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:32 PM
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29. First Miracle:
Turning Testosterone into Whine
:sarcasm:
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 09:57 PM
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37. I like the idea of transforming testosterone into something that...
...has a more calming and cooperation-inducing effect. Not sure about whine, though.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:28 PM
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38. so you like the idea but you don't get the joke
:puke:

no freebies for you
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:30 PM
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39. I get the reference to wine but, you're right, I don't get the joke.
Sorry if that makes you puke. :(
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 07:39 PM
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45. Go, ChristGirl! Kick Their Testosterone-filled A$$es!
:)
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:20 PM
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25. Seriously, is this for real? This cant be!
I was cracking up reading this article! :spray:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:23 PM
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26. Christianity HAS been "FEMINIZED"!!!!!
it's called "The New Testament" :eyes:


JEEBUS! Jesus feminized Christianity, fer gawd's sake. :rant:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:31 PM
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27. Churches are places "a woman has composed"?
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 08:31 PM by Canuckistanian
I can't think of another institution that was more designed for the subjugation of women.

I'm sure it was a woman's idea to build massive cathedrals and enormous mega-churches.

Even in the 13th century, churches were expressions of testosterone overdose.

I'm not seeing a big change here.
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FooFootheSnoo Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:32 PM
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30. the lyrics to their songs are very profound
Weve been beaten down/ Feminized by the culture crowd, they sang. No more nice guy, timid and ashamed/ Weve had enough, cowboy up/ In the power of Jesus name/ Welcome to the battle/ A million men have got your back/ Jump up in the saddle/ Grab a sword, dont be scared/ Be a man, grow a pair!


Cowboy up in the power of Jesus' name!! Hell, yeah!! :wtf:

Oh my gosh, you can't make this stuff up!! LOL
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:49 PM
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34. Look out fundies!... here comes Xtreme Jesus to the rescue!!!
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 09:46 PM
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36. Xtreme Team GodMen vs. Team MohammedMen!!!!111111111
111111111!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!1111111!!!!!!!!!!!1
:woohoo: :woohoo: :puke:
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 09:03 PM
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35. Promise keepers on steroids - god, what next? - n/t
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:31 PM
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40. Juicin' fer Jesus!
Careful 'bout the gyno fellas...you'll know what "feminized" really means, then.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:33 PM
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41. eh....everything old is new again
promise keepers used to sell out football stadiums and is now an afterthought....
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:29 PM
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44. I know I've been asking this a lot lately,
But is this satire?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 07:53 PM
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46. Scratch yer ass for Jaysus!
fucking overcompensating idiots
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 07:56 PM
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47. Promise Keepers all over again.
No, PK didn't start out mimicing the same church environment. They just had stricter groundrules. Men can all get together and not talk about porn--it can be done.

The first time Hubby went to PK, it was a decent thing. He was more attentive to us as a couple and more concerned about his role in the relationship. The second time he came home totally bored. It was mostly sports analogies, rah-rah testosterone-laden stuff, and loud music. Not his thing, and he'd heard it all before.

Churches are more feminized because there are more women there, and women are the ones who show up to work and help out and get the jobs done. Men want a different atmosphere, they'd better show up and put up or shut up.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 08:06 PM
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49. Oh, ick. Much worse than I thought.
It's worse than the men's dorms at our evangelical college. That's pretty bad. Ick, ick, ick.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 08:18 PM
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50. What is this? St. Jackass Church?
:eyes:
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 08:21 PM
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51. Right Wing Christians Know Shit about God
Edited on Tue Oct-31-06 08:21 PM by stepnw1f
They follow the devil in God's clothes.
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