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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:31 PM
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Consider civil disobedience if your Dem vote changes to Republican
This will not apply to everyone, but if I lived in a state where voting machines did this, I would refuse to walk away from the machine. What good is it to report this later when there is no evidence? I advocate non-violent resistance - bring a cell phone, start making calls, and stay put the machine is taken out of service and the problem reported to election officials who come onsite and reported to the press. This is vote theft and it should not be tolerated.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:32 PM
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1. How would you know?
Unless it's just a glitch - but assuming it wasn't "Oh i pressed the wrong button" how would you know? Or are you referencing something particular?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:07 PM
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10. Some people have seen it change before their eyes.
I assume the OP means situations like that.

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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:15 PM
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12. That does seem more like a glitch than a hack though
I guess there's no difference, but if I were going to steal an election I wouldn't want to send up any flags.

Bryant
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:35 PM
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17. The glitch could be the result of hacking.
Either way, it's critical that the machine be locked down and examined - a glitch is no more acceptable than outright theft.

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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:33 PM
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Stay Until You Can Cast YOUR Vote
Because you are owed a vote and you can not cast it on a machine that misreads your intention. Demand a working machine.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:33 PM
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2. That is a solid, sensible plan.
Don't just walk away. Don't go crazy either. Stand firm and draw attention to the problem.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:33 PM
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3. Absolutely...
If they steal this I say we all take part in civil disobedience. Enough is enough!
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wundermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:36 PM
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4. you would never know...
The stealing of votes is not detectable by the voter...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WMG34cv0zM
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:46 PM
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5. I cannot give you the specifics
but in 2004 I heard of a state where this happened before the voters eyes. A vote for Kerry resulted in a popup screen that said Bush. That's the situtation I was thinking of. I'm sure there are many more that the voter can't tell.

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Opusnone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:51 PM
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6. I have video on my cell phone
I will start filming just prior to entering my vote, that way i won't be called a conspiracy nut if something goes wrong.

And i will probably knock a few things over.
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:53 PM
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7. Good idea, I'm in. Time to charge up the video camera battery. nt
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:57 PM
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8. NOPE
Back in the day, we dirtyhippiecommiepinkobums used to be there for each other, and civil disobedience was supported and those who chose that path were kept in touch with, to make sure they were OK.

That's not the case anymore. It's everyone for themselves, and if someone is arrested, nobody even bothers to find out who they are, and where they are taken.

NOPE.... when we get back to doing things in a community way, then yes. Until then, I don't suffer in isolation.

Time to do some thinking about what we're really about, and what we're trying to create.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:03 PM
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9. I think it will be up to the candidates to demand recounts or even
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 08:19 PM by Cleita
recall elections. If they fold too fast, then it's up to us to demand that the candidate pursue this. We will of course have to give them money for legal action, but we can't let the BFEE get away with this again.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:13 PM
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11. Yup, our "demands" worked so well the last time....
I wish I had your hopefulness, Cleita, but I'm just too scarred by the lackadaisical blow-it-off of the Dems recent past.

Oh well, it won't be long now to see the outcome of this...

:hi:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:18 PM
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14. Maybe this time, they won't be so willing to capitulate.
I hope anyway.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:26 PM
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15. I'm with Bobby Kennedy, Jr.
He said 100% of Republicans are corrupt, and 75% of Dems are corrupt.

I can believe it, and he's quite knowledgeable about the system.

Those odds don't bode well...

Wish there was an emoticon for crossed fingers, cuz I'd post it for ya. :hi:

Really, I hope you're right, but I fear ...... that 75%....
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:38 PM
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16. There's a few new Dems running against entrenched Repubs.
If they win or if they fight to win, they might change that to 50% corrupt. Again, I hope.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:17 PM
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13. Bring a cell phone with a camera, that way you'll be able to document...
the problem if you have one. (Gee I didn't have anything but ID with me, so I don't know if they'll confiscate it, they might.)
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