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spacemanspiff Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:47 AM
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Democratic Politicians in the upcoming 'election' must be forced to act on election fraud!
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 11:47 AM by spacemanspiff
I know we are all supposed to just get out and vote for democratic candidates and hope for the best, but this audio reminder of what happened in election 2004 might remind everyone what we are up against...

http://www.archive.org/download/election2004b/ohio-kerr...

This is testimony of people involved in the election challenge in Ohio, where the participation of one particular Democratic Candidate would have helped alot toward the hunt for the truth of what happened,

We cannot wait and expect the green party to do all of the work to expose election fraud. We must force our democratic candidates to fight!
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:49 AM
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1. But seriously: what are the chances they will?
Nothing effective done in 2000, 2002 or 2004. Do we really think 2006 will be any different?
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spacemanspiff Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:52 AM
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2. We have to try...
...and remain hopeful that they will get the message. Robert F Kennedy Jr has already exposed the whole lie of 2004 in the Rolling Stone for everyone to see...all eyes are on the Democratic candidates this time...they must stand up!!




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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:54 AM
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4. Yes, they must stand up
And when most remain seated, what should we do?
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spacemanspiff Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:56 AM
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6. I have no idea!
But they run the risk of being exposed as collaborators...
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:59 AM
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7. (Insert snort of derision here)
Far too many of them have already exposed themselves. As collaborators, I mean.
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spacemanspiff Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:02 PM
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9. I know I know!
sheeit I don't know what to do....but I think alot more people are watching this time. After the election last time something like 30% thought something fishy was up with the election, and I know the numbers are higher now. Something has to happen, too many people still believe we have a democracy and will be willing to fight for that....I hope.....
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 01:21 PM
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14. GOTV, BUT no more mercy if the Dems REMAIN SILENT
we need to STOP accusing Republicans of stealing the Dem vote, and we need to say it like it is, The Republican and Democratic Politicians are stealing and or manipulating OUR votes, because for the Dems to remain silent, this time, with all the information that is out there about these machines, would definitely make the Dems, collaborators!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:05 PM
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12. Same chance as support for a DSM investigation or Alito Filibuster or...
...support for Lamont.

Our elected DEMs, for the most part, dont fight. They wait for the Repubs to "fall on their own swords."
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:52 AM
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3. The fact that the Green Party fought tooth and nail to ...
see that the damn votes got counted really shows how out of touch many supposedly "mainstream" Democrats are when it comes to fundamental democratic principles.

The conventional wisdom is "It's over; time to move on instead of stirring the pot." To describe it as "stirring the pot" is nothing more than cowardice because it attempts to categorize election integrity as anything but necessary, that it's one of those battles that we could "elect" to skip.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:04 PM
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11. spot on -- there's a BIAS among "people," not just media
that a close-call, once ruled upon as in football, is a standing order. we are quick to REINFORCE that call with narratives that use it as received wisdom.

for example... when max cleland "lost" in 2002 despite exit polling way outside of the MOE, it was explained as that the parapalegic veteran was a victim of negative campaigning that associated him with osama bin laden and saddam hussein. we didn't QUESTION the vote even tho eXIT POLLs are the only indication we have of a clean election. NO -- "we" QUESTIONED our collective insantiy for falling for such absurd advertising.

we are hardwired to question our own sanity before questioning an outside "agency."
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spacemanspiff Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:55 AM
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5. question for someone??
can you read this thread- it says it is hidden and I cannot seem to remove it...

Active Duty Troops Appeal for Redress up to 713: Corporate Media Desperate to Discredit
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:01 PM
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8. We can't even force them to vote party line.
I agree that of course we should fight election fraud tooth and nail, but I have no faith that our leaders are up for the fight. Ultimately it is going to be the rank and file, you and me, with our bodies on the line, who bring this nightmare to an end.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:03 PM
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10. maybe they will mutter something on an obscure website or somthing?
n/t
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spacemanspiff Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:43 PM
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13. Many people say Kerry couldn't have done anything?
According to the people involved in the Ohio recount case, if John Kerry had been present the judge would have ruled differently and allowed the recount to take place when it would have made a difference.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 03:35 PM
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16. If John had simply asked us all to
go down to Washington and protest the situation, perhaps we would not be in the mess we are in right now.
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spacemanspiff Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:41 AM
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20. absolutely!
The Ukranian election came shortly afterward and they showed exactly what we should have done....

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spacemanspiff Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:43 AM
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21. sweet peace
They got this


we got this
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 03:19 PM
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15. yes yes and yes!
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 03:40 PM
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17. Damn straight.
Fight.
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 03:54 PM
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18. hate to be this way...but they get none of my money....
unless they are talking election fraud.

Debra Bowen CA-SOS yes
Clint Curtis FL-24 yes

Bradblog.com fighting!

velvetrevolution.us. great coalition

They get my money.

Talk about election being stolen or tell you're watching for it and you'll get my donation.

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spacemanspiff Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 09:59 AM
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19. Time to take back the Democratic Party!
This is our country, and our party! The party of the people!
I want my democracy back!!

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