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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:57 AM
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Who is the obnoxious female commentator on MSNBC right
now? I don't watch television very often and I know who the major players are, but I have never seen her before. I really don't like the way she's treating Todd Webster.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:59 AM
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1. Blondie? Think that's the one Imus likes ~ pure CON job nt
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:04 PM
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3. No, dark curly long hair, looks like she is of mixed race - I haven't
seen her before, but then again I don't watch MSNBC very often on weekends.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:06 PM
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5. "mixed race"
Grow up.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:11 PM
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7. OK - so what is the PC term for someone who isn't white, but doesn't
look black or hispanic either? Or should I describe her without mentioning the color of her skin?
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:14 PM
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Ignore it.
Someone ALWAYS has to make a statement into a race baiting ordeal. Very phucking childish IMHO. Saying someone is of a "mixed race" is not a racial slur. Some people just don't get it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:25 PM
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 02:26 PM
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22. There are indeed the doctrinaire purists here
Not particularly interested in facts, just the position. They can really be amusing sometimes.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 02:23 PM
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21. Mixed race sounds PC to me
and I'm African American.

That tells me that she is probably not the Blonde one that I was thinking of originally.

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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 10:24 PM
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26. How dare you call someone Blonde...
LOL!!!!
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:54 PM
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35. LOL...
:spray:
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:11 PM
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8. What's wrong with that?
Haven't you ever heard of mixed races before? Seems like you need to grow up...and educate yourself.Khrist...
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:21 PM
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14. Saying 'mixed' is stupid / ill-informed, not racist
It assumes that white is 'pure', which displays a total lack of understanding of human evolution.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:24 PM
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15. How does that assume that white is "pure"?
Mixed is just that- mixed. Any combination of two or more. There's no value judgement inherent in the expression at all.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:27 PM
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17. but then have you decided the word "mixed" is negative or something?
in order for there to even be a problem with all this, as silly as this WHOLE thing seems to me, seeing the person worked hard at being pc to not offend (how much more do we want from people) the word mixed, in and of itself can be the most beautiful and bringing to one.... of a word we could possibly have.

we call my family mutt.... and see the diversity adn beauty adn grandness init

i refuse a purebred puppy,.... always lookingfor hte mutt

for me, mixed is much more a compliment and pure a jab

i could go on and on with the deciding on a word being good bad or otherwise
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:29 PM
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18. That's ridiculous - Mixed means just that - mixed. There is no
implication that it is anything more or less than any other "race".

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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:36 PM
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19. It seems that you are the one making the value judgement that
white is "pure" - nobody else is. Which is more ill-informed?

So many people here think that merely the mention of a persons race or ethnicity constitutes "racism" which is total bullshit. Why when someone is described as white is that not an issue? It seems there is the assumption on the part of those who cry 'racism" is that THEY believe in the inferiority of those with darker skin, and therefore claim to be offended by any mention of it.
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 10:14 PM
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25. That's an absurd and totally outrageous interpretation of my post
Edited on Sun Oct-29-06 10:18 PM by entanglement
"Biracial" is more polite (not 'PC', just plain polite) and I prefer it to "mixed"
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:38 PM
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31. It's fine for you to prefer the term...
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 07:39 PM by bliss_eternal
and some that are bi-racial also prefer this term.

Others that have two parents that were both bi-racial prefer the term "mixed" because it's easier than having to try to determine what "box" they fit into.

For more information, feel free to visit our forum:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:52 PM
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20. That is a totally racist statement if I've ever heard one.
So....we are to say oh she is black.... (forget about any other race who might have been involved in the conception process) (wink wink). Good God.....I can not believe this shit.I have friends who are "mixed". Petty,petty bullshit in this thread.
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 10:02 PM
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24. Please re-read my post before making wild accusations
n/t
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:53 PM
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33. Good points...
and the point of many that are of mixed race. They don't appreciate being forced to identify as one thing or the other, or even bi-racial when they may be several ethnicities. :hi:
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 01:07 PM
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30. It may be ill informed but not to African Americans

If we were not to use that way of identification, we would be lost.

We come in so many beautiful shades and are "mixed" in so many ways that are identified by the eye.

We may say, " She /He looks Creole or Mixed" and it is not a plus or a minus for that person.

We are simply trying to find out a way to identify them.

So if it's not an insult to African Americans, who is it insulting?

Is it insulting to the person who was called "mixed" because they wanted to be called White? :crazy:
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:46 PM
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32. Some that are mixed prefer to be called mixed.
:hi: goclark! Always good to see you!

Personally, I'm all for alleviating the need to "identify" people based on race. I've spent a lifetime of people asking "what are you" because of my olive coloring. :crazy: It seemed more important to others to need to determine what I was, than it's ever been in my life. In the grand scheme of things does it really matter, what race someone is?

Some that are mixed prefer bi-racial because that is accurate for them. Others prefer mixed because they are a few cultures (both parents are bi-racial, etc.). For some, it's just easier for them to identify with one of their ethnicities or the other--even if it didn't feel an authentic representation of who they are.

I applaud the efforts overall, because I'm hoping for a day when everyone is so mixed up no one can be identified anymore. May not happen in my lifetime, but it's coming.

It's like the terms black, African American, etc.--shouldn't it be up to those that are actually in the position to decide what they prefer to be called? :shrug:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Our forum on DU! :D

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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 01:34 PM
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36. Outstanding Bliss! Love the Forum Link


The world you wish for is the one I wish for ~ wouldn't it be lovely if we didn't have to self identify or have someone try to identify us?

My dear friend has the most darling grandbaby, mother Japanese and father African American.

The baby is ADORABLE!

It should not matter what part of what percent the baby is of what group.

But in America 2006, it still matters. :(

I have a dream that one day.....


:hug:
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 07:42 PM
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38. Hey golark...!
It is my sincere belief that we are all headed in the right direction. I know that a day is coming when no one will be able to identify people or box them--it will be impossible because people will have SO many mixtures within them. There are people like that around now...but people still try to box them. I'm pleased that many mixed race people are fighting that--fighting being put in a box!

Your dream will one day be a reality, my friend.

Unfortunately, with hate groups raising children in their ranks--there will probably always be people around that "fight" this, based on their ignorance and ridiculous ideas of "racial purity." My fervent hope is that one day "we" will outnumber "them" and they will have to crawl back under their rocks. ;)
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 09:39 PM
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39. "Rock Day" will be a Great Gettin' Up Morning!

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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:12 PM
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9. Perhaps you should..
..with that kind of attitude.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:21 PM
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13. Grow some skin.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 02:39 PM
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23. What's wrong with the term "mixed race"
Hell, I don't even get what's wrong with the terms "mullato" and "mestizo" :shrug:
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 10:26 PM
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27. Okay, I'll have to agree with the others here Waterman.
I didn't know that saying "mixed race" was offensive. I guess bi-racial sounds better? :shrug:
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:16 PM
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12. Well, technically, every human in this world is 'mixed'
And white people are not 'pure', just FYI
:)
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 10:28 PM
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28. there are no distinct races
just local variations on a single theme.

there are four distinct gene pools in Africa, and one of them is closer to Scandinavians than it is to the other three.

Everyone on the planet is descended from an identified genetic line in Africa.

travel from Africa to south Asia to East Asia and you'll see local variations in various characteristics - but you'll never be able to say "oh the last guy was race A and this guy is race B. You'll just eventually realize most people you see are differnet from the ones you were seeing a few days ago.

The comment "mixed race" was an attempt to describe the person - a weak one, since Tiger Woods is "mixed race", Barack Obama is "mixed race" and George Allen is "mixed race". But it was not meant as a slur. Criticize the vagueness of the comment if you wish, but stick the ad hominem attacks where the sun don't shine.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:53 AM
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29. Thank you!
I really didn't know how else to describe her - and we don't know that she is Bi-racial, because that implies only "2".
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:59 AM
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2. Rita Cosby?
(and don't worry, she's not related to Bill... :D )
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:06 PM
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4. No - I just got more info, her name is Allison.
Have you ever seen her before?
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:09 PM
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6. Allison Stewart?
She's generally pretty good.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:13 PM
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10. Yeah...
she's OK - pretty cynical when the Rethugs start spouting during the PM weekdays...

Sometimes she gets that look that Lynne Russell used to get on CNN...Hot stuff...
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:14 PM
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11. Probably, I just thought she totally humiliated the Democratic
pundit in a very dismissive way.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:54 PM
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34. hmmm...i wonder why i never hear about the 'obnoxious male'
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 01:48 PM
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37. O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Bush, Cheney, etc., etc? n/t
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