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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:21 PM
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"Jeb Bush would make a fine president, even better than his brother!"
I overheard this little gem just now in the lobby of a hotel in Sioux Falls, SD, where I accompanied my new "gentleman friend", to the chess tournament he's playing in (I'm able to do my own thing instead of having to watch hours of chess moves, which is fine with me!) At first, I thought the gentleman was kidding, but soon discovered he was quite serious. Not wanting to further the chances of losing my dinner, I refrained from making any comments, although I certainly had some choice expletives in mind, lol.

South Dakota is much more liberal than you might think, despite the abortion ban, which I think will lose in the statewide vote next week. And certainly, Sioux Falls and the eastern part of the state are the most liberal. There appears to be a lot of support for both local and national Dems here. So it was especially discouraging to hear that kind of talk. I simply cannot believe anyone in their right mind would even consider such a possibility, hasn't that damned family done enough damage to this country to last several lifetimes? And anyone who still supports Dim Son at this point in time needs some serious lockdown time in a psychiatric hospital, as far as I'm concerned.

The scary thing is, with voter fraud and those damned, infernal machines produced by repubs who've publicly proclaimed their intention to help their compatriots maintain their grip on power, we just might be faced with such a possibility. In that case, I think I'll either swallow some cyanide or disappear and hide in a remote part of Antarctica somewhere!
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:22 PM
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1. "fine president"....no. "better than his brother"........maybe.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:24 PM
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3. "better than his brother"
I've certainly seen no evidence of that.
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flyingfysh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:28 PM
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6. that actually wouldn't be very hard
A rock would be a better President than his brother. It wouldn't start any more wars or pass more stupid tax cuts.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:35 PM
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13. If he did absolutly nothing.......just cut brush. He would be a huge upgrade.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:36 PM
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15. What I find really interesting in that family's
dynamics is that Jeb was actually the one who was supposed to have run for president and not his idiot brother. But because he lost his first race for FL governor, that set the timetable back and paved the way for George to "make the plunge", so to speak, instead. Apparently, there's some real underlying bitterness about that from both Jeb and Poppy. On the night that both George won the race for TX governor, Poppy called him, ostensibly to offer congratulations. But apparently, instead of congratulating George, all they talked about during the ten-minute conversation was the affect this would have on Jeb and his chances for running for the presidency. That speaks volumes to me about that family and its dynamics.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:31 PM
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8. NO, I think he'd be even worse
than his brother, if that's possible. Because he actually has some brains and, consequently, is able to do even MORE damage. If that's even possible, at this point.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:50 PM
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Agreed...
A snake with a brain is more dangerous than one without.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:10 PM
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38. A better thief perhaps, doubtful, but then, that's a bush family trait.
The bush family has been bilking Americans beginning with Prescott. They are traitors!
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:23 PM
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2. A ham sandwich would make a better president than Jeb's brother. nt
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:26 PM
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4. So that makes him what? One place removed from a piece of shit?
No thanks.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:28 PM
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5. If Jeb would be President I would say Bush family are Kings
and we are their subjects
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:30 PM
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7. I already feel that way
many times, frankly. I think the Boy King and his Royal Family certainly think that that's the case.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:13 PM
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39. We're already there. The bush family believes that they are dynastic.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:31 PM
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9. we have this saying in my family that i think applies to this situation--
"People are stupid"
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:32 PM
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10. There's an old joke I've heard many times here in Nebraska. It's 'do
you know why all the trees in Nebraska lean to the north? Because South Dakota sucks.'

I must say, politically it does.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:40 PM
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16. Oh, really?
We have a Dem congress critter and a Dem senator (which is more than I had when I was in OH) and, being familiar with NE, I can honestly say that your fair state makes us look like Massachusetts! So stick that in your corn field and husk it! :9 :evilgrin: :bounce: :bounce:
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:53 PM
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22. WE can still get an abortion if necessary. Lot of good your dem
senator and congress critter have been doing for the women in your state, no?

And I would certainly hope if some damn old congressman who killed a guy going the speed of sound through a stoplight would find that this state would hardly let him off with probabation for how long was it? A couple years. And then reward him by giving him his license to practice law back.

But then again, this is Nebraska, so maybe not.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 10:07 PM
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26. Actually, I think the abortion ban will
be voted down in the election; a lot of people, even conservatives, are really angry about that and polls show that the ban will probably lose.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:33 PM
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11. Depending on perspective: Jeb would be a far better "Neocon" pres!
Which would mean we would be fucked.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:34 PM
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12. "better than his brother" ???? jeb may be able to speak in a more coherent
fashion but he is as much of an asshole as his brother and father are.
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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:36 PM
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14. Jeb is a member of PNAC.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:43 PM
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17. better than the worst president this country has ever seen
The constitution should be amended to prohibit anyone related to him from ever holding office.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:44 PM
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19. Actually, as I've said, I think he would
be even worse, and even MORE dangerous, than his damned brother. He has far more brains and is even more cold-blooded, ruthless and hateful.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:21 PM
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24. Jeb behind FL law illegal-izing any manual recounting of paper ballots read by e-vote machines
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 09:58 PM by tiptoe
during Florida elections.

What is the significance of someone, like Jeb Bush, wanting to legislate a ban on the use of paper ballots for verifying the count-accuracy of the electronic vote machines (DREs and Optical Scanners) that read those paper ballots?
Answer: Recounts of the paper ballots are the only way to detect and correct "errors" (and fraud!) in counting! "Successful attacks can only be detected by examining the paper ballots." See these excerpts of findings from "Security Analysis of the Diebold AccuBasic Interpreter" (02/14/06)

Keith Olbermann's 9/24 question to George Bush needs also be posed to apparently anti-Democracy brother, Florida Gov. John Ellis Bush: "Are your's the actions of a true American?"

Anyone really believe any oath Jeb Bush, as President, might take to defend the Constitution?
Anyone really believe Neocons/PNAC-ers give a damn about Democracy, except as appearance?

Historical Bush Approval Ratings (Updated)
Historical Bush Approval Ratings, 2004-2006 only (Updated)

source1: 04/03/06 audio interview of Ion Sancho, Leon County, FL elections supervisor commenting on Gov. Jeb Bush' influence on Florida legislation in early 2005.

source2: Transcript excerpt from a Mar 16, 2006 Audio Interview of Ion Sancho (Leon County, FLORIDA Election Supervisor) with Brad Friedman (From: The KPFT-FM, Houston Archive - The Progrssive Forum, Thurs, March 16, 2006 7:00 pm ) (audio was removed after 60 days; transcript emphasis mine)

:12:00 Brad Friedman: Let me point out a piece of this puzzle that Ion actually explained to me some time ago when we spoke.. What's really horrifying about all of this -- and I heard you intoduce this segment as saying 'potential' security problems..and I'd say they're beyond "potential" at this point -- with Ion's test down there, I want to be clear -- this was on a Diebold Optical Scan system: In other words, there are the ballots. And I know they use a similar system throughout Texas, where there IS actually a paper ballot -- Now in the case of the hack test Ion performed down there... they ended up with ballots that had someone counted those ballots by hand, they would have seen the correct results of the election -- in this case a small test; it should have been 6 "No" 2 "Yes" -- but the optical scan printed out results that were completely opposite that. Now, what was troubling (that Ion had explained to me) is that in Florida the way the election laws are there: Once those ballots are counted by machine, you're not allowed -- by law -- you can't go back and actually count those paper ballots by hand, you can't go back and audit those paper ballots by hand. And so, even though you've got paper ballots, even though they are accurate (if anyone bothers to count them), in this case -- at least in Florida (and I'm not sure what the Texas laws are)-- you couldn't go back to those ballots to get the correct election results...

:13:39 Ion Sancho: That's absolutely correct.

:13:42 Pokey Anderson:Yeah, I think Florida is leading the country in obscurity on that account.

:13:45 Ion Sancho: Well, yes, and you can compliment Governor Jeb Bush because THIS WAS HIS ADMINSITRATION'S CHANGE TO FLORIDA'S ELECTION LAW...because here in Florida the Division of Elections is a partisan appointee of Governor Jeb Bush. And he came to the Florida Association of Supervisors of Elections last February <2005> and suggested a wholesale series of changes for Florida Elections, and this one that makes it ILLEGAL for an elections administrator to check a machine-read ballot to see if a machine read it accurately...It was one of those provisions that was slipped into a huge election bill that his staff pushed through the Florida legislature last year.

:14:27 Brad Friedman: So, would it be fair to say, Ion, that was not an oversight when they wrote that law, but that specifically was what they were trying to accomplish?

:14:35 Ion Sancho: This particular law changed over a half-century of Florida law relative to how you count ballots in a recount. So,.this was NOT an oversight. This was a DELIBERATE CHANGE IN THE POLICY OF FLORIDA'S ELECTION PROCEDURES to ensure that IF A BALLOT WAS READ BY A MACHINE, AN ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR, LIKE MYSELF, COULD NOT CHECK IT to confirm the acccuracy of the machine itself.


From above, "Security Analysis of the Diebold AccuBasic Interpreter" (02/14/06):
  • NB #2: Memory card attacks are a real threat: We determined that anyone who has access to a memory card of the AV-OS, and can tamper it (i.e. modify its contents), and can have the modified cards used in a voting machine during election, can indeed modify the election results from that machine in a number of ways. The fact that the results are incorrect cannot be detected except by a recount of the original paper ballots
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    BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:44 PM
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    18. I love Americans - always willing to set the bar low enough for all.
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    havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:45 PM
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    20. My cat would be a better president than Jeb or his brother
    and so would and cat-ass-trophy in her cat box.
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    madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:50 PM
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    21. ahh... a prairie home companion moment
    just kidding...... actually he is the smartest of the litter. my grand father lived out in northwestern iowa and in the early 20th century populism was pretty wide spread thru out that part of the country . i think that populism still hasn`t worn off thru the generations. i still have a speech my grand father read at a meeting in the early 20`s and there`s a lot in it that still is true today.
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    kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 08:39 PM
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    23. No Bush (or Texas oilman) will be elected president in the next 20 years
    The Chimp is the apex of evolution for that failed carpetbagging dynasty.
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    liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 10:09 PM
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    27. I don't know, never underestimate
    the stupidity of Americans; especially with a corporate lackey press.
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    tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 10:28 PM
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    29. They're only "in" now due to Election Fraud: Eisenhower wrote re "a few...stupid" TX oilmen in 1954
    (links and highlights added)
    ...Now it is true that I believe this country is following a dangerous trend when it permits too great a degree of centralization of governmental functions. I oppose this--in some instances the fight is a rather desperate one. But to attain any success it is quite clear that the Federal government cannot avoid or escape responsibilities which the mass of the people firmly believe should be undertaken by it. The political processes of our country are such that if a rule of reason is not applied in this effort, we will lose everything--even to a possible and drastic change in the Constitution. This is what I mean by my constant insistence upon "moderation" in government. Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas.5 Their number is negligible and they are stupid...

    Dwight David Eisenhower, 1954, Presidential Papers
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    Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:29 PM
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    25. Some really need to google George & Jeb Bush (include the word, "drugs")
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    AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 10:28 PM
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    28. "even better than his brother"
    Jeez, how hard could that be?
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    madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 10:42 PM
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    30. John Karr would be better than his brother. n/t
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    autorock Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 10:48 PM
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    31. The whole family is full of idiots.
    You've got Prescott with his banking ties to the Nazis, you've got Laura the ex-boyfriend killer, you've got George W. the middle-aged alcoholic, you've got HW the former presidential failure who let Saddam stay in power even though we had a chance to topple his regime, and you've got Jeb, the do-nothing dunce down in Florida.

    It's quite simple: George W Bush is proof that anyone can be president.
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    liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 11:20 PM
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    33. And don't forget Neil, the
    investor/shady dealer in failed savings and loans and indulger in Thailand prostitutes, and Marvin, the World Trade Center "security" guru.
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    photogirl12 Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 10:59 PM
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    32. I really hope this doesn't happen
    We have already had 2 from the same family. Do we really need a third?
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    TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 11:28 PM
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    34. Jeb 08
    Be afraid!



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    windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:23 AM
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    36. Yes, be afraid...
    because if we take over Congress...that gives the R's two years to convince everyone, all that's taken place in the last 6 years is the Dem's fault...hell, proof that they will, is that they are still blaming Clinton...then Jeb runs...and just possibly wins, with a little help from their friends at Diebold...uh huh...be afraid...I have been saying for months that Jeb IS going to be their nominee, and I firmly believe he is...the one in office now, is already saying it's Jeb's turn, and how he'd be a fine prez...* isn't making hundreds of signing statements, and altering all these laws for NO reason.....everything they do, every move they make, has a purpose.....just think, we only have to wait a year or so to find out..so don't be surprised when it happens...
    wb
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    blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 11:40 PM
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    35. Jeb would make a fine
    Beached whale and that's about all he is good for .
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    liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:03 PM
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    37. He sure looks like
    one, doesn't he, lol.
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    upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:21 PM
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    40. Neil Bush
    Robbed America blind too.
    Silverado Savings and Loan.
    He got a pass, when pappy dropped bombs on Saddam's troops all was forgotten by the press and, I guess, justice.
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    SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:23 PM
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    41. What a fine upstanding American Family those bushes are!
    :sarcasm:
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    liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:16 AM
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    42. I know, it's sickening, isn't it?
    Whenever people whine about how tired they are of the Kennedys, I just shoot right back that I'm REALLY sick of the Bushies and that they've done FAR more damage to the country, MUCH more. And they've certainly never suffered the ultimate sacrifices in the name of public service that the Kennedys have, either.
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    gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:18 AM
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    43. It seems unlikely he could be worse than his brother
    but that still leaves an awful lot of room in "bad".
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    paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:40 AM
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    44. I was flying to Baltimore back in April, and I overheard two guys
    talking in the seats behind mine...

    Guy1: "Jeb's looking really strong."

    Guy2: "Really?"

    Guy1: "Oh yeah! He's the smart one. HE'S the one that was being groomed to be president, see. W, just sorta slipped in there.."

    Guy2: "That's great to hear.."

    At this point, I was ready to choke them with my seatbelt..but, alas...I just could not believe that a semi-educated human being could utter the phrase, "W, just sorta slipped in there."

    OMFG!
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