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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:04 PM
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Is The Military Barred From.......


Speaking out against the Iraq/national security policy's of the bush administration....can they be punished if found out???
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:10 PM
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1. Depends.
Define "speaking out".

If you mean protected speech to their Congress-critters, no, they can't be punished.


If you mean active duty troops talking to reporters or posting online against the bush admin, yes they can be punished.

But I forgot...US laws don't mean shit anymore, now that king george gets to decide all by hisself who's an "enemy combatant" and "disappear" them.

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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:12 PM
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2. Speaking out in Forums


Like DU........
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:17 PM
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3. If they're active duty troops, then no they're not supposed to
give their opinions of the MFing idiot squatting in the White House.

While our troops willingly give thier lives for our rights & freedoms, they don't have many of those rights & freedoms themselves while they're active duty.

The definition of "irony".
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:19 PM
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4. Yep they will article 15 their butt
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:26 PM
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5. Thanks All....


Some opposition Ive have had in another forum I suspect is active duty or a NG...I just wanted to get a clarification from some of you.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:32 PM
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7. NG is not the same as active duty.
More leeway for NG.

But remember; 2/3rds of US troops are NOT republicans.

And that's another of them pesky "librul bias" FACTS.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 08:23 PM
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12. I saw NG and immediately thought of FNG
Funny how that works. I thought of New Guy before National Guard. When I was in Natioanl Guard were basically non existent. There were some in Basic and AIT but I don't recall ever running into one after that. That was one of the bennies of joining the guard, you got to stay home where the guard belongs....Things change but not necessarily for the better.
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Gwerlain Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:31 PM
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6. I think there are a couple of good reasons for it.
I saw one Dem (Senator? maybe just a Congresscritter) say, "We don't need a Republican army and a Democratic army," and I could hardly agree more. Another important point is that what soldiers do is fight in war, and train in peace, and they have to follow orders. Criticism of any element of the currently constituted government is a violation of the responsibility to the chain of command. At least I think that's the theory. And the President is, after all, the supreme commander of the military.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:34 PM
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9. My hubby is active duty career soldier.
I'm aware of the reasons.

Doesn't change the irony.

;)
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Gwerlain Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:37 PM
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10. Troo dat.
;)
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:33 PM
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8. Yes, and for good reason...
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 07:34 PM by originalpckelly
it is designed to prevent our military from becoming involved in politics, and I only mean active duty soldiers.

It basically prevents our nation from being a military oriented dictatorship.

We take the risk of these people not being able to speak out on disasters like Iraq in exchange for the real security of not giving the military more power.

The publicizing of the petition for redress is something that crosses this line, unfortunately. I hope those soldiers aren't punished, because it is the failure of civilian leadership which has pushed them to such extremes.

They may contact Congress, but they must keep it on the down low.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 08:02 PM
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11. It's a fine line and an intricate dance
To speak out against policy without disparaging the chain of command.

-Hoot
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 08:27 PM
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13. Active military members may appeal to congress for "redress" while

out of uniform. Basically it is they have a right to go to congress or a member of congress if they are not in uniform and do not attempt to speak for anyone but themselves individually.
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