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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:31 PM
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O'Really on Oprah: Calls waterboarding dunking - audience claps
O'Reilly told Oprah's audience that America's treatment of Kalik Sheik Mohammed (sp?) was more than justitifed because he killed people and we just dunked him in some water to make him spit out the names of other terrorists who are a threat to this nation. O'Really asked the audience if gaining the names of terrorists from Mohammed who would have killed them all wasn't worth "dunking" somebody in the oh-so-benign waterboarding technique :eyes:. The audience clapped in agreement. If I didn't know better, I might have clapped too. People don't know what torture is/means and its impact--especially waterboarding.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:34 PM
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1. Oprah's audience is not known for its intellect
400 years ago, they would have applauded this kind of dunking, as well:



A Witch Ducking

Illustration from A Popular History of the United States by William Cullen Bryant. New York, Charles Scribners Sons, 1896. One 'foolproof' way to establish whether a suspect was a witch was ducking. With right thumb bound to left toe, the accused was plunged into a convenient pond. If he or she floated it proved an association with the black arts, with the body rejecting the baptismal water. If the victim drowned he or she was innocent. A ducking stool or diving chair was also used in America for witches.
(courtesy of The Boston Public Library, Rare Books Dept.)
citation: http://www.hawthorneinsalem.org/images/ima...
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:35 PM
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2. What mindless assholes.
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 01:36 PM by Benhurst
Land of the Free. Home of the Brave.
Yeah. Sure.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:36 PM
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3. I wouldn't be so hard on them--people don't KNOW
Now if they know and clap, that's a different story.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:43 PM
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10. Perhaps you are right. But then the German people
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 01:50 PM by Benhurst
claimed they didn't know either.

I think it's time for Oprah to wrap it up and find something else to do.

She should follow Oliver Cromwell's admonition to the Rump Parliament:

"YOU HAVE BEEN SAT TO LONG HERE FOR ANY GOOD YOU HAVE BEEN DOING. DEPART, I SAY, AND LET US HAVE DONE WITH YOU. IN THE NAME OF GOD, GO!."
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:47 PM
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13. Oh please!
they are F', idiots
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:51 PM
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15. A lot of the audience members asked the very questions you or
I might have asked. They are not all idiots.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:17 PM
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22. I agree with you. My highly intelligent well read husband didn't know. edit to add:
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 02:18 PM by helderheid
but he knew well enough to ask the question "What is waterboarding?"
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:36 PM
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4. That had to be the worst Oprah ever.
She asked Madonna and the Dixie Chicks harder questions the other day.

She was out of her realm and it was blatantly obvious how sheltered and uniformed of a life she lives.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:38 PM
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5. I really think O'Reilly and FOX had plants in the audience
Did you see the woman with the dragon fingernails say that most people didn't know what was going on in the world but her family knew because they watch Fox. She said her kids were the only ones who knew about the Amish tragedy. :puke:
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:42 PM
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9. It was a pretty vile experience.
And the African-American gentleman was definitely a plant.

My husband left the room towards the end. He couldn't take it any more. He was actually pleading with me to turn it off. We were both really disappointed with Oprah. We actually tape (DVR) her show every day and try to watch it if the subject is interesting. Now, I'll probably have to watch last night's Letterman in secret.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:49 PM
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14. I DVR her every day too. I hate that I missed Letterman.
In fairness to Oprah, she lets her audience speak. She tries to remain as neutral as possible. I think that she is very bright--she reads and questions things. I could glean from the look on her face at certain points that the dissonant "reasoning" from O'Reilly was not sitting well with her. The icy closing where she nor Bill were talking very much also indicated to me that she is not a supporter of his nor did she believe him.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:12 PM
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19. I guess. I just wanted her to ask him harder questions.
Like I observed before, she seemed to be harder on The Dixie Chicks than on BO.

I agree that she's a very intelligent woman, but I feel she missed an opportunity. It's as if this whole show was because he called her out as only having liberal guests on her show.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:18 PM
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24. You can see it over at Crooks and Liars... here's the link:
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:46 PM
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12. I happened by my mother's and she had it on ...
Though I am not a fan of the Oprah Winfrey show ... she did not look happy to be interacting with that scummy vermin (BO). The audience appeared to be loaded with right wing nuts ... though there was a very attractive middle aged man confronting BO.
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:16 PM
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21. WTF?
Okay, I can (kind of) understand if someone thinks they're getting the "real" news from Iraq by watching Fox, but believing that only Fox covered the Amish shootings? That's a new one.

Just shows you really can't ever underestimate the idiocy of Fox viewers.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:18 PM
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23. It happens when you never change the channel.
Jeebus forbid, they might hear something that contradicts the propaganda.
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 03:50 PM
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31. was there any sort of response?
Did anyone in the audience stand up and say, "Wait a minute!"?

(Though, if I had been in the audience and heard that, my reaction would be filled with so many expletives that they'd just edit it out of the broadcast! ;-) )

It does tell us a lot about Fox idiots: 1) they are told something or something pops into their little brains, 2) they immediately believe it, despite its ludicrousness; 3) they don't make the slightest attempt to check it out (it's two fucking clicks on the remote!); 4) they go on national television and say spread their idiocy with a heavy dose of righteousness.

When will we be through with these idiots? :banghead:
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 03:54 PM
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33. It's a good thing neither of us were there.
I would have tried to explain to them PNAC and the Downing Street Minutes.

My sister's come a long way, but whenever I bring any issue up to her and her husband, or whenever I debunk one of their Fox News talking points, they ask me where I get all this time to read up on things. They're just "too busy" and only have time to take at face value what they hear on Fox. And I feel that is the core of the problem. Many Americans are just "too busy" to pay attention or care.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 03:09 PM
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30. The one that called herself a "Faux Junkie" ?
yeah...she was most definitely a plant. O'Lielly probably insisted on having half the seats filled by his brain dead supporters. :puke:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:40 PM
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6. US prosecuted Japanese for doing it to US prisoners in WWII
Executed a few for the CRIME of water boarding too.

It's not the 'dunk the principal' tank at the elementary school carnival. America needs a media that actually informs the voters.

Perhpaps Bill-O, Hannity and some of the other RW meme spewing talking heads should do a demonstration on camera.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:40 PM
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7. And they don't equate the U.S.'s use of torture with its good name
& its (former) place in the world as a moral leader. I wonder how many of those who applauded had sons or daughters serving in Iraq, vulnerable to being scooped up & tortured themselves.

Shame on Oprah for hawking this idiot's appearance on the internet a week beforehand, asking for questions we'd like to ask O'Reilly. Did anyone hear any of these questions read? I couldn't stay with this sham longer than the first half-hour.
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Red Right and BLUE Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:41 PM
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8. I haven't watched Oprah in quite a long time BUT
I had given her the benefit of the doubt. Welp, too late now. Those dipshits can have her. She is sooooo out-of-touch. She can't even pump her own gas anymore!
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:43 PM
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11. Problem is, the person being waterboarded will spit out ANYTHING
just to get you to stop. Torture is at the VERY least an ineffective way of getting info, and unAmerican to boot.

Why does Bill O'Reilly hate America.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:51 PM
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16. Why would someone cough up names because of a benign dunking?
Anyone with half a brain ought to have a lightbulb go off in their head that there's more to it than something benign.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:04 PM
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18. Yes if you think about it for ONE SECOND it
defies any common sense.

Ooh, water on my face. Sure, here are the locations of my friends so you can kill them all! :eyes:
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:58 PM
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17. Ok, so you torture one guy and he offers up valuable information
which may save some lives.

What about the guys they torture who know nothing? Is that ok?
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 05:28 PM
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37. yeah, you duck one witch, and she rats out the whole coven
professionals know that torture never provides valuable information.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:15 PM
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20. Most of the Oprah devotees I know are Repukes
this isn't that surprising. Hopefully comes the revoultion they'll get to experience it.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:29 PM
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25. Oprah Sucks Nasty Eggs & Cheese
Fuck this vapid ignorant FAT cow. With the mega watt power she has and she still churns out vacuous shit.... I have always loathed her and her friendly I am your friend poor person shit. FUCK YOU FAT COW. FUCK YOU AGAIN.

Oprah just stinks and sucks. She is a travesty and a coward. Bitch.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:34 PM
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26. She's not fat.
And insulting someone is an immature way of disagreeing with them.

I guess you missed the "Changing Face of HIV/AIDS" episode the other day.
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 03:05 PM
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28. Nice
Fat Cow
Bitch

Real, real nice. Boy, it's great to be female on DU!
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 05:39 PM
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38. Well, take it up with the female who originally said it.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 05:26 PM
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36. hey Binka, don't hold back -- tell us how you really feel!
:rofl:
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:35 PM
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27. 'Merican's love them some torture. It's very macho!
/me pukes...
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Opusnone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 03:07 PM
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29. In honor of Halloween
Waterboarding for Apples anyone?
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 03:52 PM
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32. WTF? Why would Oprah dignify that crazy mutha by having him on???
He scares the shit out of me! I saw a little clip of him just walking outside a studio, signing things, and he has this air to him as though he thinks he's royalty. He's creepy and shound NOT be on Oprah... UNLESS Oprah had a guest or she, herself, outlined EXACTLY what waterboarding is. It ain't like being baptised... god those people in the audience are stupid.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 03:56 PM
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34. He called her out on his show
for having Frank Rich on to spew his "Soros-funded lefty non-sense" and he felt slighted since Oprah apparently only has the lefties on.
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coco77 Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 04:06 PM
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35. I haven't seen it yet but from...
the responses I don't know if I want to, I need to keep my blood pressure down. They always pack the audience with freepers like hannity,. How many damn anniversary shows are they going to have...
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 05:47 PM
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39. Yes, America tortured Mohammed. And did we learn valuable info?
No, actually.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200512160006

But we did torture a man.

Not long ago we imprisoned men who waterboarded Americans.

But then, not long ago we imprisoned or executed men who invaded other nations.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:52 PM
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40. I forget BO's exact words,
but towards the end of the interview he snapped his fingers and said something like, 'the bad guys could attack you in (somewhere in Ohio) like that.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:58 PM
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41. Mosty important question ,IMO : What, then, did Oprah do?
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