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GaYellowDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:05 PM
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Letterman is KICKING O'Reilly's butt!!
Edited on Fri Oct-27-06 11:07 PM by GaYellowDawg
He's not giving O'Reilly ANY kind of break at all, and he's interrupting his BS like I would wish for a journalist to do. I hope this whole interview goes up on crooksandliars.com!!

On edit: Letterman: "You're putting words in my mouth, the way you put artificial facts in your head."
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:08 PM
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1. Letterman's the toughest political interviewer out there
probably since he doesn't have to suck up for "access."

It'll be on in an hour here (gotta do the high school football thing first). I'm looking forward to it.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:57 PM
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33. Nonsense. Letterman wasn't a political interviewer at all.
He was more a guy-on-the-street saying he thought O'Reilly was full of sh*t, but didn't really have any facts of his own to refute or disprove O'Reilly's spin. Letterman, himself, said he didn't know what he was talking about -- before opining that he didn't think O'Reilly did either.

It was cathartic to listen to Dave harangue O'Reilly, but it was far from a fact-based dress-down of Billo. But kudos to Dave, at least, for getting O'Reilly to admit that it is all about the oil.

Some very basic things Letterman failed to mention or refute...
  • WMDS: Wolfowitz, himself, said WMDs was just the only thing they thought they could get people to buy into. The problem isn't that WMDs weren't found; it's that those leading us to war knew they weren't there but sexed-up the intelligence to argue they were.

  • Torture: Along with the lies of WMDs we were told, this Administration tortured prisoners and knowingly used this tortured testimony in the selling of the war. (see al Libi and Zubaydah info in MoJo "Lie by Lie", CooperativeResearch or DowningStreetMemo timelines)

  • Winning the war?: What is meant by "winning" in Iraq? All the Right Wingers want to cheer for "victory in Iraq" or "winning in Iraq", but they are never required to commit to what "winning" means, or how progress towards victory can be measured.

  • Democracy in Iraq?: O'Reilly claimed, during the Late Night segment, that we should remain in Iraq to insure a democratic government -- yet O'Reilly has previously called for the installation of a decidedly undemocratic Saddam-like strongman in order to restore stability. An astute political interviewer would have been ready to pounce on O'Reilly's call for democracy in Iraq, and would have had some videos clips queued of O'Reilly saying "flip-flop."

I'm pleased to see someone standing up to O'Reilly in public, but I'd prefer someone who's a bit more well-informed on current events doing so. Though Letterman's rants were cathartic, his emotion-based approach and lack of information reflects on others who are critical of the war. If he's going to have a public discussion of such a serious topic, he owes it to his viewers to be better informed.

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 09:53 AM
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37. The whole segment was less than 10 minutes long
so he didn't have time to mention everything on your list. O'Reilly was there to flog his new book, and I doubt he wanted to be there.

Letterman asked tougher questions than he'd get from anyone else out there. He didn't let O'Reilly get away with ranting nonstop, nor did he let him get away with the usual lies.

I don't know if you've ever seen politicos on his show, but he's a tough interviewer with them, too.

You can tell when a country is totalitarian. The comedians are the only ones allowed to ask hard questions and tell the truth.
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jdadd Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:09 PM
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2. Just saw it!!
Dave kicked his ass...Woo Hoo.... :woohoo:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:09 PM
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3. OMG THAT WAS SO AWESOME!!!!
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:09 PM
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4. O'Reilly looks like he has a loofah up his ass!
And they ended the segment playing "War."

What is it good for?

BILL O'REILLY'S RATINGS!!!

Newsprism
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:09 PM
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5. duplicate thread
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:19 PM
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6. eh, maybe my expectations were too high
or maybe I'm just a guy who lives with such hatred of O'Reilly, supplying myself regularly with information about his bullshit and evil, that I just think I could do a much better job, and I'm not satisfied with the likes of what Letterman got done.

It certainly isn't the kind of thing that's a good enough asskicking for dittoheads to not think O'Reilly "won".
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:22 PM
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9. It's tough to think on your feet. It's more likely you end up walking off
saying "damn I should have answered this way or that way". I thought Letterman did well. Just wish he'd hold in check his self depricating humor for another day.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 10:01 PM
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34. Agreed.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:19 PM
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7. Dave was full of intelligence, wit, and CLASS
A great interview.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:21 PM
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8. No Wonder
See the difference between him and Leno..no wonder Leno never wins any awards. He is a wimp and kisses bush ass like all the rest.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:23 PM
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10. Aw, man, mine's a duplicate now :-(
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:25 PM
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14. I posted this at 10:36 Central
:shrug:

We have two top-ten threads going on this now, both with a comparable number of responses.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:39 PM
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18. LOL I think there are 3 now
I post mine when the interview was done, but somebody began posting at the beginning of the interview, about 10:55 or so and was giving a play-by-play.

Damn, WCCO does not replay it later on like KARE does Leno and O'Brian
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Nicole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:23 PM
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11. Dave is kicking his ass
:toast:
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BlueStorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:23 PM
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12. I wonder if it will be on youtube soon. n/t
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Nicole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:24 PM
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13. I hope so!
I could watch this over & over. :)
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:29 PM
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15. Shit! I forgot! Watching Dave Mathews on NPT.
I even reminded my Republican Aunt to watch it tonight, and I forgot myself.
Such is the power of Dave Matthews and Rum. ;-)

I'm sure it will be on Crooksandliars, or youtube. I'll just have to check it then....

Go, Dave!
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emdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:31 PM
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16. He certainly did a better job than Oprah....
although neither asked him about "women should never have problem pregnancies - they can always have a c-section" - "blow up San Francisco" - Mr. Morality has phone sex (at best) or is a sexual predator (at worst) with woman who isn't his wife.

Why do these things blow over for conservatives but is never forgotten in a million-jillion years for anyone else? "Oh, you killed twelve people in a bank robbery? And, you're Republican? Ummm....well, at least you didn't kill anyone in the getaway car like SOME PEOPLE." Free passes -- I wonder if they'll work at the pearly gates?

emdee
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Nicole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:33 PM
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17. I was hoping for more questions
It was definitely better than the Oprah show though.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:43 PM
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19. Dave said to him "No reasonable person would believe
anything you say."

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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 11:25 AM
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23. "But my show is the highest rated . . . " blah blah
Dave should have said, "Yes, but it's on fox, I rest my case."
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 12:20 PM
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27. Like just because a lot of people tune in, then it's quality.
LOL! Kind of like Britney Spears albums, I guess.

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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:51 PM
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20. Bonehead... such a nice ring to it.
Perfect for a man trying to pretend He's Walter Cronkite as on the cover of his book.

David Letterman is the quintessential jester, more intelligent then he lets on. Quite articulate when he wants to be and really a very humble guy.


Props to the Letterman, ...thou Dingo he may be.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 11:23 AM
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21. It was great!
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 11:24 AM
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22. "I don't know much, but I have a feeling you don't either!"
LOL
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 11:38 AM
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24. I loved Dav's comment about being "thoughtful". nt
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GoogleTheTruth Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 11:59 AM
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25. Here's the transcript for those who missed it
Letterman: Bill O'Reilly is here, ladies and gentlemen. The Fox News - um host of The O'Reilly Factor, weekdays at 8 o'clock and he has a uh brand new book out. It's called Culture Warrior. There he is - Bill O'Reilly, the culture warrior. And it's interesting - the last time Bill O'Reilly was on the show, there was a bit of uh - a bit of a dust up. He was saying things that were - that uh didn't make sense to me. I didn't think they were true, and of course I'm not smart enough to be able to prove that anything is true or not true. So, I just said, "Oh I think you're lying." And then he got, I don't know if he got upset or said something to me and then I said, "Oh yea?" and the next thing you know we had our shirts off and we were rolling around. Remember that, Paul? I was embarrassed. Anyway, he's back tonight and we'll see what fun transpires tonight.

...

Letterman: I'm secretly hoping that when Bill O'Reilly comes out here tonight, I'll have opportunity to call him a bonehead.

...

Letterman: Our first guest is the author of this current best selling book. It's entitled, uh, Culture Warrior. Ladies and gentlemen, here he is - Bill O'Reilly. Bill, come on out.



O'Reilly: We're armed in combat.

Letterman: Yea, that's cute. That's nice. You come out with toys. Uh, how's it going? Am I right about one thing? You guys over there at Fox News, guys like Rush Limbaugh - uh, you you you guys just know it's all just a goof, right? You're just, you're just horsing around? Am I right about that? You're doing it because you know it will be entertaining?

O'Reilly: What are we doing exactly?

Letterman: You, you, uh - well, see here again you got me because I've never seen -

O'Reilly: See, you don't, you've never seen the show, you don't watch the network.

Letterman: Let me tell you something, I don't even know how to get to your show.

O'Reilly: Right down, you just go straight down, you take a right.

Letterman: But it's on, it's on Fox, I dial up Fox and it's always The Simpsons. And I don't - Where are you? Bill?

O'Reilly: I'm not going to help you out, Dave. I mean, you know, whatever you got we're gonna answer tonight. We're going to be nice, we're going to be friends. People don't know that Dave and I, Dave and I are in the same bowling league.

Letterman: Let's talk about the, everyone's all excited about the, the mid-season's election. How do you see that going down?

O'Reilly: Well, I think that the Democrats will win, uh, improve their situation. Um, the Senate I don't think they'll take, the House could go either way. It's gonna be very close.

Letterman: And uh, the reason for this, now more than ever, is what?

O'Reilly: People are angry about Iraq. And they feel we need a change. And whenever you have a situation where Americans are - I used the word tonight on the Factor tonight, I used the word "depressed." People don't want to watch the news, don't want to hear about Iraq, they don't want to hear about Iran, they don't want to hear about the nutty North Korean guy. They wanna watch Bowling for Dollars, Dialing for uh the Dancing with the Stars, Are you gonna be on that?

Letterman: I'm sorry.

O'Reilly: Are you gonna be on the Dancing with the Stars thing?

Letterman: You bonehead.



Letterman: I had that ready to go.

O'Reilly: I know, I saw it. I teed you right up for that.

Letterman: Well, I mean, it's just, it's more than a choice of what to watch on television.

O'Reilly: I think people are depressed.

Letterman: People are depressed. And rightly so because we have a failed policy and Americans, God Bless them, are over there, volunteering to have gone, to have joined the Army, are over there and giving their lives nearly to the number of 3,000 Americans so far. So yes - people are depressed, but it's not because they want to watch Dancing with the Stars.

O'Reilly: But they don't want to hear about the bad world that we live in. It's an evil world that we live in. Let me ask you something. And this is a serious question. Do you want the United Sates to win in Iraq?

Letterman: Well, you know in the beginning, here is my position in the beginning and I, I think I - I sort of felt the way everybody did, we felt like we wanted to do something, because something terrible had been done to us. We did not understand exactly why, all we knew was something terrible, something heinous, something obscene had been done to us. So while it didn't necessarily make sense to go into Iraq as it did perhaps to go into Afghanistan, I like most everybody else felt like yes, we needed to do something. And as the weeks turned into months, years and one death became a dozen deaths and hundred deaths and a thousand deaths - then we began to realize you know what? Maybe we're causing more trouble over there than the whole effort has been worth.

O'Reilly: Possible, but do you right now? Do you want the Untied States to win in Iraq?

Letterman: First of all, I don't -

O'Reilly: It's an easy question, If you don't want the United States to win -

Letterman: It's not easy for me because I'm thoughtful.



Letterman: How 'bout that? That was a good one.

O'Reilly: That was great, Dave. You get paid for those.

Letterman: No, but uh - I, uh, What I would like would be uh, for uh, uh Americans to stop dying. And for there to be stability in that part of the world. Now if that means an American victory, ok. But I'm not sure that you can have stability in that part of the world with or without an American presence now, uh, so I would do whatever it would take to stop Americans dying.

O'Reilly: You think before the Iraq invasion started there was stability in that part of the world? Do you believe that?

Letterman: Well, let me ask you a question. Was there more heinous, more dangerous violence taking place then in Iraq or is there more heinous, dangerous violence taking place now in Iraq?

O'Reilly: It's probably pretty much a tie. Uh -

Letterman: Well, then how can we -

O'Reilly: Oh stop it, Come on Saddam Hussein slaughtered three - four hundred thousand people, so knock it off. Um...



O'Reilly: It's, it's a situation that's fluid, but here's, here's the deal - you can object to the policy in Iraq -

Letterman: But that wasn't, that wasn't reason we went over there -

O'Reilly: No -

Letterman: We went over there because there were Weapons of Mass Destruction -

O'Reilly: That's true.

Letterman: But there were no Weapsons of Mass Destruction.

O'Reilly: That's right.

Letterman: Now, what everyone is saying - What about Kim Jung Il? Not only are we guessing that he has Weapons of Mass Destruction, he's saying, "Hey, look at me, we're setting another one off. Come on over!

O'Reilly: Yea, I don't think it's a guess, Dave. I think when he sets it off we got a clue that he has it.

Letterman: Then well why don't we go there? Because he actually has Weapons of mass destruction.

O'Reilly: And why we don't go there and do what? What do you want to do? You want to drop an atomic bomb on them?

Letterman: Well, what were we supposed to do going into Iraq then?

O'Reilly: What we were supposed to do was that the United States Government believed that Saddam had WMDs, ok and they were wrong. People make mistakes in war. Now, Tony Blair was wrong, Colin Powell was wrong, all these people were wrong. So, that's accepted.

Letterman: So, we made a mistake in war and so we stay there and kill as many Americans as we possibly can?

O'Reilly: No, no, no -

Letterman: That's the way you get out of a mistake.

O'Reilly: What you do is you try to maximize -

Letterman: Do you honestly believe, irrespective of -

O'Reilly: Do you even want my answer?

Letterman: I don't care. Irespective of, irespective of what the - Oh sure, help yourself



O'Reilly: We're really friends. This is all an act. We're buddies, we bowl.

Letterman: But irre - irrespective - irrespective of what the United States, let's say to your way of thinking - the United States prevails militarily in Iraq, how long do you think stability in that apart of the world will last?

O'Reilly: It's impossible to say, but -

Letterman: Well, then would it have been worth it?

O'Reilly: Listen.

Letterman: If it's stable for the next thousands years, George Bush is a genius, but is that going to happen? Is that going to happen? Is it going to be stable for another thousand years?

O'Reilly: How do I know? Am I a Carnac here?

Letterman: What's your best guess?

O'Reilly: What I'm trying to tell you is -

Letterman: What is your best guess?

O'Reilly: I don't know. What I'm trying to tell you is this is geopolitics and the world we live in is incredibly complicated. The reason to go into Iraq was WMDS with a mad dictator, okay? That was the reason. It was wrong. If we could go back in a time machine, we wouldn't do it. Alright?

Letterman: But how does staying there, killing more and more Americans make it right? How do you make a right decision out of a wrong decision?

O'Reilly: If you get out -

Letterman: But it looks to me like the country is going to fall apart anyway, regardless of what people do. Do you think stability will prevail over there?

O'Reilly: Look Dave - if you get out of Iraq and leave it in chaos, Iran comes in takes over, alright. And then we basically have a ten times worse situation because the oil then goes under the jihadists in Iran. You want to debate geopolitics with me, do you really?

Letterman: It's all about oil, you just answered the question.

O'Reilly: Absolutely it's about oil. The whole world is about oil.

Letterman: It's all about oil. That's why we're there. Big deal.

O'Reilly: The show's not gonna be on the air - Alright look, do you actually think we're a bad country for doing what we did? And Bush is an evil man? Is that what you're putting forth here?

Letterman: I, I, I don't know that I think he's evil. I think he's misguided. I, I, I think that in the beginning, like I said, we needed to do something. People wanted to feel like we were doing something, people wanted to feel like the attack was going to be accounted for. Well, to my way of thinking, the attack hasn't really been accounted for. And beyond that,

O'Reilly: It hasn't been accounted for in the sense that we - Look everybody says -

Letterman: Terrorism now is a far more - It's white hot where previous to anything in Iraq it was a fact of life. It was a gruesome fact of life. Now it's become a damned intramural sport.

O'Reilly: Hold it, I think it was pretty white hot on 9/11 when 3,000 people were slaughtered on the streets of the city. So, why don't you - what you're doing is you're making the mistake of oversimplifying a pretty complicated situation.

Letterman: Oh, I'm oversimplifying it?

O'Reilly: Yes, you are. We made a mistake on WMDs. That is true.

Letterman: Alright, solve the mistake. Correct the mistake for me. How do you correct the mistake?

O'Reilly: The mistake cannot be corrected. What can happen is, and I pray it is happening, is that we stabilize that situation over there so that it becomes a functioning democracy. It might not happen. But the intent was noble - to make it a democracy, to make Afghanistan a democracy, to put pressure on the Iranians who are causing all kinds of trouble.

Letterman: But why didn't we stay in Afghanistan? Why didn't we stay in Afghanistan. It seems to me that Afghanistan was more directly the source. I mean there has been no tie proven between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda, the Taliban, anything. Why didn't we stay there?

O'Reilly: You know what Ansar-al-Islam, do you know what that is? You don't. And I'm not saying this in a condescending way, I'm really not. Okay? I'm not going to call you a bonehead or a pinhead?



O'Reilly: Ansar-al-Islam was the al Qaeda affiliate in Northern Iraq who tried to poison the British water supply with Ricin. They operated with Saddam Hussein's okay. Again, complicated, but it isn't so black and white, Dave. It isn't, "We're a bad country, Bush is an evil liar."

O'Reilly: That's not true.

Letterman: I didn't say we were a bad country,

Letterman: I didn't say he was an evil liar. You're putting words in my mouth. Just the way you put artificial facts in your head.



O'Reilly: We're really friends. Gimme one artificial fact.

Letterman: Where you gonna be for Thanksgiving?



O'Reilly: At your house. We're coming over, as we always do. This is an act, this whole thing is a big act!

Letterman: But I mean honestly - you've raised some points, uh, but the truth of it is a reasonable person can't believe what you're saying.

O'Reilly: No, that's ridiculous.

Letterman: No, no, no, no it is. It is.

O'Reilly: Total absurdity. I have the highest ratings in cable for the last five years.

Letterman: Then how come I can't find the damned show?

O'Reilly: That might be your fault. Ok? That's ridiculous.

Letterman: Oh Golly...

O'Reilly: Did you enjoy Culture Warrior - the book?

Letterman: I haven't read the book.

O'Reilly: You really haven't read it? Come on. You're in the book!

Letterman: I know. I looked at it and I thought, 'What is he? What is this? A book about sailing? And then I said, "No, I don't need that."

O'Reilly: You'll like the book, Dave. It's full of artificial facts. You'll love it.

Letterman: Uh ... Oh gosh, where has the time gone? You know I appreciate you coming over her and indulging me because you know once again I'll just end up saying I have no idea what I'm talking about but I don't think you do either.

O'Reilly: You're entitled to your opinion.

Letterman: And the same to you. Bill O'Reilly, ladies and gentlemen.
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KitSileya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 12:17 PM
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26. "Do you want the Untied States to win in Iraq?"
Uhhhh.... no. Actually, I want the Iraqi people to win in Iraq, they're the one's who'll have to live there after, not to mention during, the US wrecks the country enough to call it a win.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:49 PM
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30. O'Reilly: Absolutely it's about oil. The whole world is about oil.
we need to get the conservatives so far out of government that we can save the f*cking planet.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:55 PM
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31. Letterman: You bonehead. ha ha ha
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:02 PM
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32. thanks for that
and welcome to DU

Here's what happened when I googled Barney

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:28 PM
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28. It brought a smile to my face
especially after the Oprah show.
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misternormal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:34 PM
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29. Self Delete
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 01:35 PM by misternormal
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 10:12 PM
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35. The BBC is like an attack dog doing political interviews. We certainly
have a thing or two we can learn from them.
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halfmoon dem Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 10:20 PM
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36. That was great.
I can't stand O'Reilly!!
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