Here's the spin I've been given on "stay the course"

[Maine-ah]

You are hearing what you want to hear because you are bias in your views. Stay the course in Iraq how they originally meant it was that we stay in Iraq and we keep the fight on terrorism, you and others were wrongly interpreting it as fighting it the same way.

whitehouse.gov

Q Is there a change in the administration "stay the course" policy? Bartlett this morning said that wasn't ever the policy.


MR. SNOW: No, the policy -- because the idea of "stay the course" is you've done one thing, you kick back and wait for it. And this has always been a dynamic policy that is aimed at moving forward at all times on a number of fronts. And that would include the international diplomatic front. After all, the Iraq compact is something we worked out with the Iraqis before visiting the Prime Minister in Baghdad earlier this year.


So what you have is not "stay the course," but, in fact, a study in constant motion by the administration and by the Iraqi government, and, frankly, also by the enemy, because there are constant shifts, and you constantly have to adjust to what the other side is doing.


I think you also see much more aggressive efforts on the part of the Iraqi government because the Prime Minister understands the importance -- the vital importance of reconciliation. The third reconciliation conference will be taking place next -- is it next week, week after next -- on the 4th. He is working on the reconciliation front. There has been considerable, and continues to be, action on the economic front. And obviously, we're continuing to cooperate in security. That is not a "stay the course" policy.

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So, what's the rebuttle you'd give to this line of shit? Also, if you have a story on someone elses "spin" post it, I'd like to see what we're all hearing.

[rodeodance]

1. We have our own Baghdad Bob--the one and only TONYYYY SNoWW!

[Maine-ah]

2. LOL!

I still like to call him snowjob. :rofl:

[damntexdem]

16. I'm confused: is the new slogan

"cut the course" or "stay and run"?

[ComerPerro]

3. no need for a rebuttal to this kind of nonsense

anyone who swallows this load of shit either won't listen to or won't understand any rebuttal you offer anyway...

[Maine-ah]

5. why is it, every time

I get someone who basically says "no need" I alway interpret this as the dems don't need to fight, that people will see eventually. Well, for over ten years now, that particular tactic hasn't worked.

Please don't take that personally, it's I just get fed up with those types of statements.

[ComerPerro]

11. that's not what I said at all

I said it would be a waste of time to refute this.

Not because "people will see eventually".

Quite the contrary.

People that believe this will never see. Ever.

They are too stupid, too bigoted, and too arrogant to know they are being used by the Right Wing.

And you won't change their minds.

[MrModerate]

4. Snow got lots of props for being verbally facile . . .

Somewhat charismatic, etc., particularly in comparison with his predecessor, Mediocrity McClellan.

But Snow is so full of shit that he squishes when he walks, and I wonder whether a straightforward but unconvincing liar, like McClellan, didn't serve Bush's needs better than a flim-flam man who makes you want to reach through the TV screen and throttle him (it's not as if the administration has any shortage of the type).

Having yet *another* snake oil salesman in the White House only drags Schimpanski's credibility down further. (Yep, they screwed up another personnel decision, because it's clear that Snow is doing a "heckuva job.")

[gatorboy]

6. How can you possibly debate these fools over this?

I mean, it's pretty widely known that "Stay the Course" is what they've said 24/7 for the past couple of years. You couldn't turn on the TV or check the news without hearing it.

Anyone that believes that this was never said is too far gone to argue with over this. They'll believe anything the administration tells them.

And THAT'S pretty scary.

[Maine-ah]

9. they are not denying that they have said

"stay the course" they're trying to debate the meaning of "stay the course"

[gatorboy]

14. What the definition of "is" is?

:rofl:

C'mon, it doesn't matter what you tell'em. They're not going to swallow anything Dubya hasn't ordered them to believe.

[Igel]

7. I don't understand your quibble.

Are you saying 'stay the course' doesn't mean 'hold out to the end', contrary to what most dictionaries say? Or that * and his team obviously couldn't have been aware of the usual meaning the phrase had until maybe 5 years ago? (Perhaps longer, in some circles.)

I've argued that's precisely what * meant the phrase to mean last year and the year before: "stay the course: To hold out or persevere to the end of a race or challenge." (www.dictionary.com)

"To stay with the same course of action" seems to be the newer meaning, if the Oxford English Dictionary is any guide. "Course" mean "race course", and the expression referred to horses that crapped out before the end of the race--it's one thing to come in last, it's another to be in such bad shape that the jockey just takes the horse off the track.

I was surprised when I read the phrase with what had to be a different meaning in the newspapers a few years ago, and considered it the result of people neither being sufficiently well read or not believing dictionaries are relevant when learning new words or expressions. An attempt at figuring out what a phrase must mean in context, given no additional meaning. (See "abduction" in wikipedia.org; that's the "logic" people routinely use in determining new meanings of words.)

[Maine-ah]

8. "I don't understand your quibble."

This was posted to me, I did not write any of it. I have already posted back to this person, I was just wondering what everyone else might have tossed in there. BTW, My rebuttle was very similar to yours.

[Igel]

17. Ah.

Sorry.

[maxsolomon]

10. my rebuttal

you are redifining your terms to absolve yourself of responsibility for a foolhardy initial decision, a flawed plan, & a stubborn refusal to face facts or change tactics until it is too late.

now you seek to blame others for your failure, when you had all the power & took no advice from any cautionary voices. indeed, rather than acknowledge that our warnings have become reality, you call us traitors & cowards.

so, FUCK YOU, you mendacious, narcissistic sociopaths.

you're getting impeached first, dick cheney.

[crim son]

12. Your rebuttal : I like it. n/t

[Rex]

13. It wouldn't be so funny if we didn't have 10000 sound bites of George

saying, 'stay the course.' :rofl:

Oh, silly little children. When will they learn?

[TahitiNut]

15. No navigator, no charts, no port, and the drunken helmsman has OCD.

:shrug: The only variance in the course, headed towrds the reef, is the change in the political wind - a bunch of hot air from a cabal of blowhards.