Call MSNBC about their XXX rated show.

[DURHAM D]

I justed call them - spoke with a receptionist and asked her to get to the producers and stop this discussion about Snuff Porn. I told her that I was not sure that Pat or Joe or Duncan Hunter even knows what it means.

She understood and put me through to leave a message because that is all she can do. I told her my ll year old niece is going to be here any minute and I had to turn off their show due to inappropriate content.

Their number is [phone].

[Rabrrrrrr]

1. Perhaps if you told us why we should be upset, I might be tempted.

[DURHAM D]

3. Snuff Porn -

X rated hard core porno that ends with the woman (or women) being murdered. Not faked - but really murdered.

[Mojambo]

5. Yeah, but are they discussing it or showing it?

Because the only way it would be considered XXX is if they're actually showing it.

[Rabrrrrrr]

12. Yes, I know what snuff porn (or also "snuff films") are

I'm just curious as to why we should be upset that it is being discussed on a news show.

Are they saying we should bein favor of snuff films? That we should make them a mandatory part of elementary education?

I'm unclear why, in this specific instance of a news show, it is an issue to you.

[Boston Critic]

14. You've been taken in by an old urban legend

These stories go back to at least the 1970s, and they are not true.

You can get the full story about the rumors and their debunking at:

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/snuff.htm

[ret5hd]

4. Won't SOMEONE think of the CHILDREN!!!???

[Warpy]

8. It's a show on global predators

and the arrest of a Smith in Cambodia, apparently after pimping (and worse) little girls across southeast Asia.

Real charmer.

It's called the off switch. If you think children may be upset by something, please use the switch or get them out of the room if you want to watch it.

The world isn't set up so children and adults can go through life unoffended by other people. However, one can manage to avoid offensive material on cable TV by exercising a finger on a button.

[mike_c]

2. what...?

Calling the networks and ranting about family values in entertainment is a conservative christian tactic. It's certainly not something I'm going to engage in....

[MrSlayer]

6. Free speech is a beautiful thing.

Change the channel if you don't like the content.

[blogslut]

7. Snuff porn is a myth

The only real snuff movies are the ones we have now - courtesy of Bush's war on terror. I'm not watching the program but I'll betcha a nickle it's full of crap.

[DURHAM D]

9. You are very wrong. n/t

[blogslut]

13. prove it

Here's mine:

Claim: Films are routinely made for distribution in which participants are murdered on camera.

Status: False.

Origins: All the fretting about it aside, not so much as one snuff film has been found. Time and again, what is originally decried in the press as a film of a murder turns out, upon further investigation, to be a fake. Police on three continents routinely investigate films brought to them, and so far this has always been their verdict. No snuff films. Some clever fakes, yes. But no real product.
-- Snopes.Com http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/snuff.htm

Cecil Adams -of StraightDope.Com- Says this about snuff films:"Every few years since then snuff movies have been back in the news, either because some nut is accused of trying to make one (never successfully) or the tabloids report some sensational claim, e.g., that the main centers for the snuff movie industry are London, Amsterdam, and Bangkok. But pornography experts for the FBI and other law enforcement agencies say they have never seen a genuine snuff film."

-- Straight Dope http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_258.html

[RB TexLa]

17. buy a plane ticket to Thailand

[blogslut]

19. In other words, you have no proof

n/t

[RB TexLa]

22. Yes, I have seen proof, they didn't have them on a DVD player

and I didn't ask that many questions. If you want to close your eyes and pretend that are not people in the world that do such to other people, fine.

[ret5hd]

23. Standing offer of $1,000,000 by publisher of Screw magazine...

according to Snopes...what an easy way for you to become a millionaire! Just provide the proof!

[RB TexLa]

26. I didn't buy the stuff, didn't see it and never really care to think about it

but there is such in the world.

everyone is thinking about North American film, that's not what that world is.

[ret5hd]

28. Didn't buy it...didn't even SEE it...yet you insist you KNOW it's real???

[RB TexLa]

29. I believed it, there's plenty of sand for you

doesn't bother me, you won't be alone.

[northzax]

32. even better!

it's not on DVD? the movies that hit the theatres last weekend are available on DVD, and none of these are? what, are they on 70 mm? the vast organized crime syndicates can put kiddie porn on DVD and the internet, but snuff films are too difficult?

[RB TexLa]

34. Yes, they were DVDs

I was talking aobut people thinking of this stuff as North American film quality, it's not.

[blogslut]

31. Who is pretending

Are there people willing to kill for sexual gratification? Of course. Ted Bundy is a prime example. Are there people who wish to preserve sick crimes on film? Of course. Just ask Daniel Pearl's widow.

As for snuff films you claim to have viewed. How do you know they were real? Are you aware people make films that simulate such acts?

Think about it. A (real) snuff film is a document of a crime. If you committed such a crime, would you want that document out there floating around?

[RB TexLa]

33. I did not view them, I am just saying I believed them to be real

you don't, fine

[frylock]

36. wow..

you seemed to speak with some degree of authority earlier.

[RB TexLa]

38. I believed them to be real

there isn't any reason for me to be that concerned if others don't.

[northzax]

25. ok, I've been to Thailand

spent a month working on a documentary about the sex industry there. number of real snuff films found? zilch.

in fact, if you know where one is, I know several places where you can claim a reward for producing a copy of a real snuff film. I'm talking several million all told. that's gotta be worth the price of a ticket to Bangkok, right?

[RB TexLa]

27. if you think it's worth it, go for it

[northzax]

35. my point is that it isn't worth it

cause they don't exist

I have friends who have dedicated their lives to stopping the international sex trade, they work in the greatest hellholes of the earth with exploited women, children and men. they have seen every sick thing you can imagine, but you know what they have never seen? a snuff film. Oh sure, we've all seen Faces of Death, and we know Charlie Sheen was fooled (along with a lot of people) by the Guinea Pig films, but no one has ever come up with a real, honest to goodness snuff film. don't you find it strange that no one looking for one has ever found one? no one's wife has ever found one in the basement, no one has ever seen one and been so disgusted that he/she turned it in to authorities? no one has ever found one on the internet, or in a police raid? no one? the FBI would love to find one, so would Interpol, and they never have?

[Rabrrrrrr]

39. It's not about facts, northzax. It's about truthiness.

Everything changed after 9-11, and outdated paradigms like "proof" and "facts" and "logical conclusions" have gone the way of the Dodo.

You're still thinking in a pre-9-11 way. I'm sure there's something in one of Paul's letters that clearly predicts, and thus proves, the existence of snuff films.

[northzax]

37. my point is that it isn't worth it

cause they don't exist

I have friends who have dedicated their lives to stopping the international sex trade, they work in the greatest hellholes of the earth with exploited women, children and men. they have seen every sick thing you can imagine, but you know what they have never seen? a snuff film. Oh sure, we've all seen Faces of Death, and we know Charlie Sheen was fooled (along with a lot of people) by the Guinea Pig films, but no one has ever come up with a real, honest to goodness snuff film. don't you find it strange that no one looking for one has ever found one? no one's wife has ever found one in the basement, no one has ever seen one and been so disgusted that he/she turned it in to authorities? no one has ever found one on the internet, or in a police raid? no one? the FBI would love to find one, so would Interpol, and they never have?

[RB TexLa]

11. Wrong

[boolean]

15. Not wrong

It all has to do with the definition of a "snuff film".

There have been no recorded incidences of videos filmed for the express purpose of distribution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff_film#Recorded_murder...

[frylock]

18. you've posted the same links as durham did to support your claim..

zero.

[RB TexLa]

21. It's not like I bought them

Jesus

[WinkyDink]

30. Rich pervs are into LOTS of hideous things. And there are LOTS

of call-girls and poor orphans for the taking, around the globe.

There are more things, Horatio,....

[Spider Jerusalem]

10. No.

The FCC regulations on "morality in television" are already completely STUPID; the US is the ONLY first world country that bans things like profanity and nudity from broadcast TV during hours when only adults are likely to be watching.THere's nothing especially objectionable in a news show DISCUSSING illicit pornography, particularly if it's something like snuff porn (which, if it's more than an urban myth, is certainly newsworthy).

[northzax]

16. yes, I too would complain

cause they are wasting time on a stupid issue like snuff films. What is this, a bad Nick Cage movie? do you know how many verified actual snuff films the FBI has ever found? I'll give you a magic number: 0.

it's a waste of time. sheesh.

[Mojorabbit]

20. What is worse

is they just had a whole discussion with Buchanan(sp) dissing cnn for showing the sniper clip and how horrible it was then they segue into porn. I guess THAT is ok but showing the reality of war is not.

[beyurslf]

24. Maybe your 11 yo niece shouldn't watch the news. I think I am old enough

to handle it though. Thanks anyway. I prefer my news not be clean as Disney all the time.