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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:09 PM
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BUSH ORDERS MALIKI TO ISSUE UNCONDITIONAL AMNESTY FOR SUNNI INSURGENTS
Edited on Mon Oct-23-06 09:00 PM by Dems Will Win


So! After 2,800 US troops dead in Iraq and hundreds more in Afghanistan, we are offering amnesty to insurgents who killed those men and women and making deals with the Taliban and even al-Queda through Pakistan's peace deal. This is the final outrage. All of that death for this--and we knew all along it would end like this.

Remember Maliki wanted to offer amnesty when he first took over and the uproar in the US was so great, he had to drop the idea. Now Bush is "asking" him to offer unconditional amnesty!

From the AP:

Hoping to find a political solution, the Bush administration has asked the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to issue an unconditional amnesty to Sunni Muslim insurgents, prominent Kurdish lawmaker Mahmoud Othman told the Associated Press. He is a confidante of Jalal Talabani, the country's president.

He and Hassan al-Seneid, a member of parliament close to al-Maliki, also told AP that U.S. officials were engaged in ongoing talks with members of the insurgency, including members of Saddam Hussein's outlawed Baath Party, to seek an end to the fighting that has plagued American forces in Baghdad, its environs and sprawling Anbar province in the west of the country.

Members of al-Qaida in Iraq are not included in either the talks or the U.S. amnesty proposal, which would require Iraqi government approval and is by no means certain since it is controlled by Shiites.

President George W. Bush held a series of meetings over the weekend with top U.S. military and security officials to address the spiraling violence in Iraq, where 87 U.S. service members have been killed in October, the most for any month since November 2004.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/23/news/BC_ME_GE...


Please RECOMMEND to help get the word out that the GOP is now offering amnesty to Marine and Soldier-Killers and Frist and Bush are making nice with the Taliban.

THIS HAS NOT BEEN REPORTED IN THE US PRESS TODAY
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:12 PM
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1. Amnesty for one side in a civil war? LOL!
Yeah, that's gonna work.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 09:10 PM
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17. keep this kicked
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:37 AM
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24. Insanity at it's finest
What about the other two sides? :eyes:
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:13 PM
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2. yes and then they capture and kill them anyway n/t
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:15 PM
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3. So this is their October surprise?
One more dumb move on their part.....I wonder how those American families of the fallen soldiers will feel about this....Sounds like cutting and running to me...
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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 12:28 PM
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27. It might be part of phase one
I have believed and still do believe that Rove's plan is to attack at the Democratic Party's greatest perceived strength, our stance on Iraq. They lay waiting as we hammer away on Iraq and get it to the front of voters' minds then manipulate the situation just enough to steal the issue just like they have stolen other issues like the minimum wage increase. They are taking little steps right now and watching carefully to see how the MSM can spin it and if the sheeple will buy it. They probably have a certain price they are willing to pay with "strategy adjustments" as long as they see some return on that investment with changes in the polls. They will most likely up the ante a few more times making it look like they are trying for the diplomatic approach to Iraq so that by the last few days before 11/7 they can start running ads saying they have a new direction that is still not "cut & run" as the Dems would have it but clearly not "stay the course" as the Dems accuse. It's sick to play politics with human lives like that, but we all know we are dealing with some very sick people right now.

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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:17 PM
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4. The Shia militias are going to be pissed they were excluded from amnesty
This could backfire and just provoke more civil war.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:17 PM
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5. they'll be much more bloodshed before this folly of bush's* is over
at my age I may never see the end of it.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:18 PM
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6. It's like standing at a toilet bowl and watching bush swirling around
as he's going down the hole.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:20 PM
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7. Are you kidding me?
Thanks for supporting the troops, W. And yeah, there's that question about amnesty for the other 60% of Iraq. Just when you think things in Iraq can't possibly get any more fucked up, Bush gets another idea.
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:26 PM
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10. If this comes out on MSM, this would explode the freeper/dittohead
bushbot base, how will the RW talk machine explain this? Hell it would make the Foley scandal a small tempest. Go tell an middle American family that just buried their son, that the insurgents will skate, boy I wish I had the Rolaids concession at the Republican Party HQ. An October Surprise for the books.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:23 PM
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8. It was alluded to in this article
Fernandez spoke to the Qatar-based Al-Jazeera after a man claiming to speak for Saddam Hussein's outlawed Baath Party told the network the United States was seeking a face-saving exodus from Iraq and that insurgents were ready to negotiate but won't lay down arms.

"Abu Mohammed", a pseudonym for the man, appeared to set near impossible conditions for the start of any talks with the Americans, including the return to service of Saddam's armed forces, the annulment of every law adopted since Saddam's ouster, the recognition of insurgent groups as the sole representatives of the Iraqi people and a timetable for a gradual, unconditional withdrawal of U.S. and other foreign troops in Iraq.

"The occupier has started to search for a face-saving way out. The resistance, with all its factions, is determined to continue fighting until the enemy is brought down to his knees and sits on the negotiating table or is dealt, with God's help, a humiliating defeat," he said. The man wore a suit and appeared to be in his 40s but his face was concealed.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061022/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq...

This article, btw, is the one where the statements made by this guy, both in the ME and in US press, has been retracted. I think he tipped their hand.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:24 PM
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9. So much for that "sovereignty" we gave to Iraq
nt
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wholetruth00 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:28 PM
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11. Hell, he could have done this at the end of 2003 or sometime in 2004
Now that we are getting our ass kicked, all of a sudden we can secretly negotiate with insurgents (formerly called "terrorists) and even ask for amnesty. I expect the administration to send out Tony Snow to deny these allegations. But i believe it's true.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:32 PM
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12. WHAT? The GOP are commiting POLITICAL SUICIDE?
IF the media plays this up with wounded soldiers
and surviving kin
That's what it would be
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:33 PM
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13. As long as there's no amnesty for migrant farm workers.
Okay to kill Americans, but not okay to pick lettuce.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:34 PM
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14. talk about surrender monkey... n/t
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:35 PM
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15. Dang! I tried to post on Free Republic, but they banned me.
Someone else try to put this up there. I'd dying to see their response.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:55 PM
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16. Can anyone post this on DailyKOS?
That will help! Thanks!
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 10:06 PM
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18. Well, it appears....
....that its mostly the foreign news services that are publishing this story. It was the Financial Times that first published the story on Oct. 17th. Although one article states that AP also had the story, I couldn't find anything at AP in a search. It seems that only UPI and the Dow Jones Newswires in the US have an online article. So apparently the MSM's don't want to carry the water for the FT. Not this water anyway.

The most confusing statement of all comes from Tom Casey, a US State Department spokesman, who told reporters that Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has said that some form of amnesty is potentially part of this national reconciliation process.

"We've been supportive of prime minister Maliki's efforts to build on national reconciliation," Casey said. "We've also made clear, and you've heard us say this before, that as that process moves forward there shouldn't be any distinction made between those people who are responsible for attacks on US or coalition forces and those who've made attacks on Iraqis."

Huh? That sounds like just about amnesty for everybody to me. That's not what earlier reports from the WH said. It USED to say that there was to be no amnesty for those who killed American troops. But that was before they realized that their asses were about to be handed to them on Nov. 7th......

The Financial Times (UK)
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/798743a2-5e0b-11db-82d4-0000779...

The Australian
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,20635122-401,00.ht...

Agence France-Presse
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061018/pl_afp/usiraqpolit...

Times Online (UK)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2417143,00.ht...

Dow Jones Newswires
http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=...

UPI
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20061018-...
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 05:41 PM
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39. Thanks for this
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 10:10 PM
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19. But - But, Bush doesn't negotiate with terrorists...?
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 11:25 AM
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26. These are insurgents not terrorists...
didn't you get the memo?
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 10:19 PM
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20. Even the insurgents would refuse this deal til after Nov 8th.
Shortsighted, nauseating political ploy. Does he really think he's gonna somehow end the war, patch things up and get everyone to vote Repuke in November? Am I getting this right?

No way anything happens to put Shrub in a positive light if ANYONE in Iraq has anything to say about it. NO ONE trusts him anyway.

:puke: :puke:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 10:47 PM
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21. "Hey, Georgie: nice shoes!"
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 10:55 PM
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22. If this is true, which I doubt, it would only be a ploy because
the Insugency will not give in until they get big share of political power, a nice share of the oil revenue and other concessions of Real Estate in Iraq. The Shi'ites and Kurds will balk at that.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:35 AM
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23. kick
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 11:18 AM
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25. We should call them the "Retreaticans"
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 12:48 PM
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28. "Bush orders..."? I thought they were "sovereign".
:rofl: :rofl:
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 12:51 PM
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29. KICK
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 12:59 PM
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30. kick
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 01:03 PM
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31. Bush is always making sweetheart deals with terraists!
From paying off the Taliban and war lords in Afghanistan, to forgiving the murderers in Iraq.

Oil's well that ends well for BushCo contributors.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 01:23 PM
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32. Kick..........n/t
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 01:24 PM
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33. I guess that means Saddam goes free then!
Isn't he Sunni?
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 01:35 PM
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34. Are you effing kidding me?!?!
:grr: :grr: :grr:
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 03:54 PM
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35. Sounds like an offer Maliki can't refuse
from the world's leading mobster, George DUHbya Bush.

Newsprism
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Homer Wells Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 03:56 PM
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36. Kicked and Recommended
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Homer Wells Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 03:59 PM
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37. Has anybody e-mailed Keith about this?
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 04:00 PM
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38. Fuck the what?
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Terri S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 05:52 PM
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40. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice... first they give themselves amnesty from war crimes with the MCA and put the troops in greater danger of torture, now they give the people responsible for killing our troops amnesty.

Yep... that's 'support the troops' shrub-style all right!!

:grr:

This REALLY needs to make it to front page! Sorry, I don't get here enough to be able to kick it.. but this is GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!

I hope a lot of people email this to Keith!! It needs to go mainstream and NOW!
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 06:36 PM
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41. Dems will win K&R!
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