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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 07:47 PM
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HELP- my daughter is being spammed on Myspace with this Anti-Choice stuff:


http://www.standtrue.com/pages/silentdayflyer.pdf

Anyone have a quick soundbyte for her to defend her pro-choice stance, since her high school is "registered" for this event tomorrow?

I have suggested she simply ask how this fragile earth is supposed to support those 48,000,000 extra people, when we have people starving all over the world right now.

Please help.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 07:50 PM
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1. The spam should have an email address to remove her contact
Edited on Mon Oct-23-06 07:50 PM by MadMaddie
information...

Responding to the spam emails will do nothing....I wouldn't acknowledge them...

Check with the laws in your state and county to see if there are anti- spamming laws on the books and file a complaint with your Attorney General...
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 07:51 PM
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2. her question is what to say tomorrow to all the kids
who ask her where her duct tape is.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 07:58 PM
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3. tell them she left it at home under her bed...
Edited on Mon Oct-23-06 08:38 PM by Viva_La_Revolution
with the tuna, powdered milk and plastic sheeting.

on second thought... that's probably only funny on DU...


She could take that horrible picture of the woman who died in the motel room from a botched abortion in the 60's, if she really wants to start something.


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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:14 PM
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10. you are right - they won't get it
but that is really funny to me.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:00 PM
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5. I read the Spam part and didn't focus on the rest of the text..
I would have your daughter ask...

Who is the owner of each human vessel? Is it the government? Is it the States? Or is it their own....do they have the choice to determine if they want elective breast surgery, nose surgery..or needed chemo therapy....

Because depending on their answer it will be determined if each individual owns their body and their bodies decisions or that the government and states own their bodies?....

I hope that makes sense....
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 09:24 PM
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22. My point is, if the government can forbid abortion then it can require it.
That's why I think the government should stay out of it.

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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:00 PM
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6. she using it to keep all of
the coat hangers sorted into neat piles.

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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:12 PM
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9. short, snarky - teens will understand this
thanks - that is my fave!
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 07:58 PM
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4. If it's on MySpace
It is probably from one of her so-called 'friends'. Tell her to drop the 'friend' from her list.

And she should not have any personal info on her page, including an email address.

As far as an arguement for pro-choice? I personally don't like the government telling people what they can and cannot do in private. Plus, if abortion were outlawed, it would move to the back alleys with castor oil and coat hangers.

Also, mention that abortion rates were lower during the Clinton Administration than the Bush Administrations. I don't have the proof right in front of me, but it's something I recall reading.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:11 PM
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8. Unfortunuately, the study that originally
claimed that, was flawed.....

This from the Guttmacher Institute:

". . . The Institute estimates that 1,303,000 abortions took place in the United States in 20010.8% fewer than the 1,313,000 in 2000. In 2002, the number of abortions declined again, to 1,293,000, or another 0.8%. The rate of abortion also declined, from 21.3 procedures per 1,000 women aged 1544 in 2000 to 21.1 in 2001 and 20.9 in 2002.

Since 1973, the Guttmacher Institute has estimated the number of abortions performed in the United States by periodically conducting a census of all known abortion providers. The most recent survey reported on abortions in 2000. Since that time, limited national abortion incidence data have been available. Yet demands for more recent data, resulting in part from media reports, opinion pieces and public speeches speculating that abortion has increased as a result of Bush administration policies, have prompted the Institute to analyze available government data as an interim measure until another provider census can be conducted.

It takes time for political decisions to be reflected in the statistical data, so it is too soon to tell what the impact of Bush administration policies will be on U.S. abortion rates, says Sharon Camp, president and CEO of the Guttmacher Institute. We will be keeping a watchful eye on what our policymakers do both to help and to hinder womens efforts to prevent unwanted pregnancies, and how that affects abortion rates going forward.

Changes in the abortion rate are difficult to interpret without a broader context. Abortion may decline because fewer women are faced with unintended pregnancies, or because fewer women who accidentally become pregnant end their pregnancies by abortion. The most recent estimates of unintended pregnancy rates are for the year 1994; the Guttmacher Institute is currently updating these estimates to 2002, which will shed some light on the immediate causes of abortion declines.

Because these abortion estimates are not based on a comprehensive census, they are subject to some limitations and should be considered provisional.

http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2005/05/19/index.htm...

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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:43 PM
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17. "If you can't trust me with a choice, how can you trust me with a child?"
Edited on Mon Oct-23-06 08:43 PM by deadparrot
A fairly popular bumper sticker I've seen.

Plus, didn't the same proportion of pregnancies end in abortion before 1973 as after? I don't ever see myself getting an abortion, it's not the choice for me. But if other women do choose to obtain one, I'd rather it be in a sterile clinic than in some back alley.

Another good link ("The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion): http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:03 PM
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7. If the govt can tell you when you must have a baby, then they can
tell you when you can't. At least, that has always been my opinion. And I've met "pro-life" people who support the idea of the govt forcing sterilization and abortion on the poor.

"If the govt can "you can't", then they can say "you must".
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:19 PM
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11. WOMEN ARE NOT INCUBATORS
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:26 PM
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12. Until pro-life people can come up with solutions to babies being
Edited on Mon Oct-23-06 08:26 PM by whutgives
born into poverty or abusive situations - I say tell them to go fuck themselves. There are way too many kids in the foster system now. Where are these pro-life assholes - why aren't they taking care of those children?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:34 PM
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13. Have Her Keep A Copy Of The First Amendment In Her Pocket.
Just print it out and give it to her. Then, if someone asks her why she isn't wearing the tape, she can take it out and say "Cause of this. This gives me the freedom and right to not condone an anti-choice ideal as strongly as it gives you the right to support it. Take care."

That's probably simple enough. But I do have to say though, when I read your reply below saying your intent was to ask what she should say when asked why she isn't wearing the tape, the first thing that went through my mind was a response of "ummm, hey, why aren't you?", since if someone asked her that they obviously couldn't have been wearing it either LOL. But I decided to try and give ya somethin real rather than wiseassish. :)
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:35 PM
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14. nice observation about the tape!
We hadn't thought of that.

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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:38 PM
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15. I don't have an answer for you, but will you let us know how this turns out?
This is a whole new twist to "social networking." I mean, it's flat out coercion.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:40 PM
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16. Oh - a thought
Back in the late 80s/early 90s when the first parental consent laws where popping up, an Indiana teenager went over state lines for an abortion and ended up dying. After that, a lot of people started wearing somekind of symbolic accessory -maybe an armband or an early verision of the bracelets people wear? Maybe you could research that, have her make that bracelet or armband or whatever and wear it. When others ask her what it is, she can tell them the story of somone who would not be close to their mother's age who died from an illegal abortion before she graduated from high school.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:59 PM
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18. Becky Bell - here's the info
Edited on Mon Oct-23-06 09:00 PM by Iris
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/news-articles-press/po...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE5DB...

Like Gianna Jessen, Mr. and Mrs. Bell, the former Homecoming King and Queen at their Indianapolis high school, have a wholesome, all-American appeal. He plays golf, served in the Army Reserves and worked as a salesman; she was a full-time homemaker after their children were born, and volunteered as a teacher's aide at a local elementary school.

But since their daughter's death, they have spent most of their time working to spread her story, telling how they would once have supported parental notification laws, certain that in their tight-knit family, Becky would want to tell them if she were pregnant and considering an abortion.

Then they tell of the Saturday night she came home ill, her refusal to see a doctor until the following Friday, the rush to the hospital where Becky lost consciousness and died, and the shock of being told she had died from a septic abortion. They have appeared on "60 Minutes," walking through their daughter's graveyard and talking about how they blame the law for their daughter's death. Their story has appeared in a variety of publications, including Seventeen magazine and Rolling Stone.

Mrs. Bell tells, vividly, about finding a note from Becky, after her death, saying that she wished she could tell her parents everything, but that she had to "deal with it" herself because, "I can't afford to lose you, too." The Becky Bell Campaign

For a year, ending in July, the Bells were under contract with the Fund for the Feminist Majority, receiving $500 a week for their efforts to prevent parental notification laws. Last fall, the Fund started The Becky Bell Campaign, selling bracelets with her name on them, like the ones worn after the Viet Nam war to keep alive the fight to recover prisoners of war.

The Fund credits the Bells for the defeat of the Oregon referendum last year, the nation's first state referendum on parental notification. A few months before the election, polls had shown opposition at 22 percent to requiring parental notification, but after the Bells' tour, including rallies, television appearances and talk shows, 52 percent of the voters supported teen-agers' free access to abortion.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 09:26 PM
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19. thank you for this.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 07:17 PM
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20. So how did this turn out?
How did your daughter's day go FLDem5?
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VeggieTart Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 09:23 PM
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21. One thing that never fails to piss me off...
The assumption that abortion began when Roe v. Wade was decided. Women have been ending pregnancies almost as long as they've been getting pregnant. In the U.S., women who could afford it went to where it was legal to have the procedure done. Women who couldn't endured unsafe back-alley abortions, and many died or were rendered sterile.

1) The Catholic Church had no position on abortion until 1869. After that, for many years, abortion was more of a sexual sin than a murder.

2) I second the "If you can't trust me with a choice, how can you trust me with a child?" quote.

3) I hope it's a choice I never have to make. I believe in preventing unwanted pregnancies.

4) She should also tell anti assholes that she worries more about those who have already been born.

5) I often have to clamp my tongue to keep from going madvegan on their butts. I mean, more animals die in one hour for food than abortions take place all year. You kind of have to be vegan to point this out, though.
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lies and propaganda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 09:33 PM
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23. BLOCK USER!!!!
dont fuck around with retards on myspace, they can easily Phish your account and hack allover the place. Just block em even if fighting them would feel better.
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