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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:12 PM
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Republican men hate women
Edited on Mon Oct-23-06 08:36 PM by undeterred
and Republican women must have incredible self loathing.

They attack Hillary and Nancy Pelosi simply because they are women. They want Hillary to run so they can stay in attack mode all the time. They are prepared to make personal attacks on Pelosi in the same way.

They do not think that women are intellectually and morally equipped to handle the choices inherent in our complicated reproductive systems. They need to decide for us what is permissible.

They do not really think that women belong in the upper echelons of business or politics, and continue to treat those who do as irregularities in the system. A true "woman" defines herself in terms of her relationship to her husband and children, not by her own ideas or accomplishments. Or by her looks, and even when she's 70 people still feel free to criticize her looks.

Their attacks on a womans right to choose and on individual women in power are sexist and misogynist, pure and simple. :nuke:
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:18 PM
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1. under the hate is fear, and fear us they do. If they aren't cutting
off our hair, our genitals, binding our feet, wrapping us up in cloth, denying us freedoms, choice, land ownership, the vote, well we just might rise up and.....save this universe. They wouldn't want that, now would they.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:21 PM
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2. They have to be a lot more subtle in a society like ours
but the resentment that they feel towards us is still palpable. When women enter a profession, we lower its status. That's why a woman can't be president.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 12:03 PM
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13. That's not quite right
"When women enter a profession, we lower its status."

It sounds like you're saying women lower the status, by their mere presence or even something they DO, if they enter a traditionally male-dominated profession.

That seems like a bit of twisted logic derived from the fact that traditionally women-dominated professions are undervalued and underpaid.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 12:08 PM
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14. We lower its status in the eyes of men, I should have said.
Edited on Tue Oct-24-06 12:09 PM by undeterred
The clergy is a good example. Now that there are women ministers, its a less desirable profession to many men.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 12:22 PM
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15. I didn't know that. Not very Christian, is it?
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 12:24 PM
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Misogyny is reinforced by many religions, unfortunately.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:25 PM
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3. No, just independant ones
They prefer smiling stepford women.

Then again, I'm not so fond of Hillary myself...that doesn't mean I hate independent women...I married one.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:33 PM
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5. Stepford wives is exactly what they like
Look at Laura. But these women are miserable. And if they're married to a politician they often have to put up with infidelity of one sort or another.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:34 PM
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7. George Allen's wife comes to mind too
Allen did a one minute commercial in VA. She stood next to him and smiled the whole time like a freaky zombie.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 09:15 AM
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25. Exactly right.
They love the subservient ones.
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blue cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:26 PM
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4. I think that you are right.
My repub dad always talks about how much he hates Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi, and used to talk about hating Ann Richards all the time. He always degraded their looks esp.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 12:25 PM
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18. I always love to ask them what exactly they hate about Hillary et al.
Never fails that they sit there and stutter and stammer when I ask. It's like they never really thought about it at all, they just "know" that Hillary is bad but can't say why. The sexism is so ingrained in their psyche that they can't even identify it.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:34 PM
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6. "Feminism is the radical notion that women are people"
Repukes LOATH women. They HATED the Feminist movement and still do. It ruined America you know. :eyes:
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:37 PM
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8. I Agree.
They're so wimpy deep down inside that assertive women threaten them.
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Tulum_Moon Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 10:41 PM
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9. Most repulican women are hated
by most Democrats! I can't think of one I like!
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 11:48 AM
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10. I used to admire Elizabeth Dole
when she was in charge of the Red Cross.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 11:56 AM
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12. That's when I started loathing her n/t
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 12:24 PM
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16. Millicent Fenwick? Of course, she's dead.
Edited on Tue Oct-24-06 12:31 PM by Tesha
Millicent Fenwick?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millicent_Fenwick / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lacey_Davenport

> She was regarded as a moderate and progressive within her party
> and was outspoken in favor of civil rights and the women's movement.
>
> ...
>
> Fenwick once participated in a hearing where a conservative male
> congressman attacked a piece of equal rights legislation with the
> words, "Ive always thought of women as kissable, cuddly, and smelling
> good."
>
> Fenwick responded:
>
> "Thats what Ive always thought about men, and I hope for your sake
> that you havent been disappointed as many times as Ive been." (Dr.
> Mardy's Quotes of the Week, February 21-27, 2004)

Of course, she's dead now, and quite possibly spinning in her grave.

/

Tesha
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 12:36 PM
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19. awesome quote!
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 11:25 AM
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35. I liked Christie Whitman for a long, long time
I thought she was one of the good Goopers, or at least one of the more tolerable ones.

I'm can't say that any more, though, knowing that she almost certainly was aware that she was endangering New Yorkers in the wake of 9/11 by having the EPA suppress information about the hazards of the toxic fallout from the WTC towers' collapse.

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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 11:54 AM
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11. Republican women do have self loathing
I've seen some Freeper posts by women that make it seem like they would rather not have any rights at all.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 12:24 PM
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17. Republican women hate women
eom
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 12:38 PM
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20. Yes, Republicans are mentally ill...
... unrequieted hatred of women is hate crime, and so ever 'Republican'.
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HardRocker05 Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 01:29 PM
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21. True, but the self-loathing, traitor women make it all possible. i feel sorry for them;
their highest goal in life is to please men who have nothing but contempt for them. You see it in so many ways; right wing men consider anything and everything 'female' to be inferior and unworthy of any positive recognition at all.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 01:39 PM
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22. I grew up in a Democratic family that was like this
but I outgrew it. I think all people used to believe that women are inferior. What's sad is that women have so many more opportunities now, but some do not set their goals very high. And the road is rough for professional women, especially the trailblazers.

Amazing though, that so many other countries have had a woman president/prime minister by now, and ours is not there yet.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 09:11 AM
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23. You wanna see something REALLY funny?
Over on that right-wing extremist board, your post is in their "We're Obsessed With DU" forum with three pages of replies about how they really love women, honest! Some of their mothers were women!

So, while laughing hysterically as they tried to rationalize their misogyny, I recalled this little poll they have hidden WAAAAAAAAAAY down at the bottom of the forums...

A poll..."Which sex is more EVIL?"

So far, their intense love and respect for women translates to 11.76% MEN, 88.24% WOMEN in their poll.

But really, republicans don't have any problem with women! So shut up and get me some pie, bitch! ;)

.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 10:25 AM
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31. well, I am honored to be quoted over there, I think
I must have hit the nail right on the head!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 09:15 AM
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24. Exactly. They are Taliban in suits. And intelligent women are their
bogey-persons.
When a billionaire drug addict remains on the air after calling a 12-year-old girl "ugly", you know the cultural milieu is perverted.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 09:24 AM
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26. i think.... it is their failure of last 6 years, causing extreme attack on
female and everyone else. saturday i had family over for bdays. all my males, (brothers and father) are repugs. none have wives for different reasons. i had my father make a comment women weak. then brother make a "joke" women and dogs sit on floor. and for me to say anything,.... i am being too sensitive. i have seen the escalation of hate, anger (which does stem from fear) come from these white males, as their policy and ideas fail over the years with bush.

i have been thinking about this the last couple months, what i am feeling from those around me. i absolutely think there is a problem
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 09:34 AM
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27. Here's a good article about misogyny and fascism, from Orcinus.
All wickedness is but little to the wickedness of a woman. ... What else is woman but a foe to friendship, an unescapable punishment, a necessary evil, a natural temptation, a desirable calamity, domestic danger, a delectable detriment, an evil nature, painted with fair colours. ... Women are by nature instruments of Satan -- they are by nature carnal, a structural defect rooted in the original creation.

-- Malleus maleficarum (The Hammer of Witches), published by Catholic inquisition authorities in 1485-86


The Freikorpsmen hate women, specifically women's bodies and sexuality. It would not be going too far to say that their perpetual war was undertaken to escape women; even the motherly battlefront nurse is a threatening intrusion in the unisexual world of war. This hatred -- or dread -- of women cannot be explained with Freud's all-purpose Oedipal triangulation (fear that heterosexual desire will lead to punishment by the father, homosexual yearnings for the father, or some such permutation of the dramatic possibilities). The dread arises in the pre-Oedipal struggle of the fledgling self, before there is even an ego to sort out the objects of desire and the odds of getting them: It is a dread, ultimately, of dissolution -- of being swallowed, engulfed, annihilated. Women's bodies are the holes, swamps, pits of muck that can engulf.

--Barbara Ehrenreich, from the foreword to Klaus Theweleit's Male Fantasies


Western-style misogyny probably has its roots in a Greek/Roman culture that gave women little power, political or otherwise, despite including women in its pantheon of gods. One could also point to the deep psychological roots in the urge to civilize, particularly in the view of nature as wild, harmful, something to be repressed and tamed; as women became identified with nature, the desire to control them took root as well.

But the particular psychological component that creates the twist of murderous misogyny comes from Dark-Age Christianity: the notion of humankind -- and indeed, all of nature --as innately sinful. Because the chief burden for that sin fell on women who already had no power.


http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2006/10/misogyny-and-fasci...
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 10:38 AM
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32. Freud would love rethuglicans. He could write volumes on them.
Edited on Thu Oct-26-06 10:44 AM by lpbk2713


There could be an inherent occupational hazard for Freud in researching them however. They could possibly make him cuckoo.









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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 09:36 AM
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28. I'm a progressive, and I'm afraid of women...
Always have been. Probably always will be. Doesn't mean I hate them, though. :)

I'd vote for Hillary if she got on the ballot. I don't think she's perfect, but she's better than any Republican I can see in public life at the present. I kinda like Pelosi, too. Even if there were a decent Republican on a ballot, they deserve to be beat down for allowing their party to be taken over by corporatists and religious zealots. If they ever get back to being real conservatives instead of reactionary extremists, I might, someday in the future, vote for one. But not now.

Our society has for far too long prevented women from achieving powerful positions in politics and coporate life. Our current testosterone based system is crumbling, and the white trash men in charge are desperate to hang onto power. They would rather watch the whole thing come apart than admit they are fucking it all up. I, for one, look forward to more women in positions of power all over our government. Progressive women, of course. ;)
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The Anti-Neo Con Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 09:41 AM
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29. They only like women who are like them.
If you're a woman who's a conformist, who's completely subservient to her husband, who doesn't think for herself, who doesn't have career aspirations, then you're OK with them as long as you always "know your place."

However, if you're a woman who is the opposite of this, then you're an America hating, radical feminist lesbian.
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 10:19 AM
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30. I love my Republican wife
She's smart, confident, accomplished, caring...one of the greatest people I know. In fact, she blows me away when it comes to volunteer work (and I don't mean political stuff). She quit full-time employment to volunteer at a public school here in DC.

That she's a Republican has very little to do with the kind of person she is, I believe. Maybe she's a rarity in this world in that sense...there are definitely some who take their poltiical views to extremes...but I think there are many like her for who politics, while important, does not overtake everything. Obviously, the political differences do cause some strife from time to time, but we've adopted a "live and let live" policy and we tease and razz each other more than anything...we both knew what we were getting into politically when we married each other :)

So I take some offense to that statement, that Republican women are all self-loathing. Frankly, I see a lot more self-loathing on these boards than I ever see coming from my wife. I think it's hyperbole, at best. I also think if you spend a few minutes on Capitol Hill, you'll find the other statements are simply not true. That's just a fact...I'm not defending Republicans or saying that they have the best for women in mind with their policies, but they have put many, many women in the upper echelons of politics and will probably continue to do so.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 10:56 AM
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33. I do not understand how a woman could belong to
or not be offended by a party which does not want her to have equal pay, equal rights, or the right to make moral choices about her own health care.
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 11:17 AM
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34. Well, sometimes I'm not sure either...
But she has her reasons, and I respect those and she respects mine. She comes from a policy background and holds an advanced degree in the subject, and can more than hold her own in any political discussion you want to take on with her. She doesn't agree with everything the Reps do, but on her "big issues" there is no substitute for her.

Let's face it...there are Republican women out there. Smart ones. I don't work with many Republicans, but more than half of the ones I do or know of are women, and they're not secretaries...they're Legislative Directors, Chiefs of Staff, Chief Counsels...definitely positions of power and influence.


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