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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:55 PM
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The right to get an abortion...
...is the same as the right to smoke tobacco.

...is the same as the right to smoke marijuana.

...is the same as the right to smoke crystal meth.

...is the same as the right to get cosmetic surgery.

...is the same as the right to get lifesaving surgery.

...is the same as the right to pierce your nipples.

...is the same as the right to get a sex change.

...is the same as the right to get a tattoo.

...is the same as the right to drink alcohol.

...is the same as the right to take chemotherapy.

...is the same as the right to refuse chemotherapy.

...is the same as the right to kill yourself.

It's your body, and you can do what you want with it.

And I'll support no laws to the contrary.



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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 05:02 PM
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1. crystal meth..... eewwww
that shit just creeps me out. I wish any addict well....

It's hard to disagree with what you said by the way you framed it.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 05:22 PM
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4. If less harmful drugs were legal, cheaper, and
readily available, I doubt we'd see such a serious problem with crystal meth. Meth heads tend to be walking advertisments about what happens to people who use that drug. There is nothing like watching a person decompose before your eyes to make you want to avoid whatever it is that's causing it.

We could fund rehab for a fraction of what we spend on military eradication and interdiction programs. We'd piss off fewer people around the world, too.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 05:07 PM
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2. True.
But there's nothing wrong in informing people of possible dangers.

It IS up to the person what they do to themselves. But it's just as much in the public's interest to inform people of any inherent pitfalls.

...is the same as the right to smoke tobacco.
True, though cordoning off smoking sections so the smell doesn't go into the non-smoking areas is appreciated. I don't mind smokers or smoke (I'm an admitted second-hand smoker, myself), but there are people with legitimate biological (congenital or developed) concerns who shouldn't have to be left out because of a CHOICE somebody else made.

...is the same as the right to smoke marijuana.
See point 1, but as with all addictions, those suffering from marijuana addiction should be treated -- not locked up. Addicts are a symptom of a greater problem.

...is the same as the right to smoke crystal meth.
Only if the stuff isn't made in 'unsavory' neighborhoods where other forms of crime is rampant. The stuff rots the brain anyway.

...is the same as the right to get cosmetic surgery.
No argument there. Until the doctor botches things up... is it not better to love one's self, warts and all? And teach people to love themselves instead of foisting some stupid image 95% of folks will never be able to obtain? There's a difference between what's healthy and what's stupid.

...is the same as the right to get lifesaving surgery.
No argument here, especially if it's the same thing. The post-born are the ones who help ensure the pre-born get born and determine how the pre-born get to live once they are born.

...is the same as the right to pierce your nipples.
Self-mutilation and poses a slight risk of infection. It's gross anyway. I won't spit on others for doing it, but there are better ways to show one is an individual -- without having to do what everybody else seems to be doing.

...is the same as the right to get a sex change.
Too hot a topic. But it is a form of mutilation and there are risks if the doctor screws up the procedure.

...is the same as the right to get a tattoo.
True.

...is the same as the right to drink alcohol.
True.

...is the same as the right to take chemotherapy.
True.

...is the same as the right to refuse chemotherapy.
True.

...is the same as the right to kill yourself.
I asked about that... and each time I'm told to pop a few pills and I'll feel better. What conditions do you have regarding suicide? And, as with all things, how one's decisions impact others?


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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 05:21 PM
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3. I'm not advocating any of these things...
Just speaking on principle against trying to control people's bodies and body decisions.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 05:29 PM
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5. Not true
At least as far as smoking is concerned. That does affect others. Your right to smoke ends where my lungs begin. Some people are highly allergic to smoke. It gives them asthma. Plus it is just disgusting to smell.

Also, with a lot drugs comes crime. Now that may be because they are illegal but meth addicts are well known to engage in other criminal activity as well to support their habit. That does affect others, in terms of using police and health care resources that could be used for other things.

I would also not equate abortion with suicide. People choose abortion for a variety of reasons, but they are usually not mentally ill when they make that decision. People who are suicidal are by definition metally ill and incapable of making a rational decision.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 05:35 PM
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6. You're missing my point.
It's about what people choose to do with their own bodies.

I think it's idiotic to pass laws and create bureaucracies to stop them--whether we like what they do or not.

In your first two points you're talking about infringing on the rights of others, which wasn't my point.

In the third--I disagree. Suicide can be a perfectly rational decision.
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 05:39 PM
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7. It is also about protecting women from men...
It's really is disgusting that Republicans want to live in a world where a man can rape a woman and force her to give birth to his child.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 05:51 PM
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10. True...
But there is one perspective even I would ponder over:

If I was the product of a rape, and found out about it later in childhood or as an adult, how would I feel?

I'd probably feel bad.

But if Hitler had offspring, I doubt they'd feel very happy too.

I'd probably go after the rapist and make sure the bastard gets thrown in jail.

Conversely, nor would I mind too much if mum aborted me. Life should be created as an act of love, preparedness, and readiness to raise a child properly. Period. (and knowing one has got what it takes to be a parent.) Rape is a violation of a woman, in the worst possible way, and as such she has every right to make the final decision herself. If I knew I was the product of a rape, I doubt I'd recover.


Now if I was the product of incest, how would I feel? I'll curtail the trite jokes about how an inbred kid has the IQ of an icicle... In short, with that low an IQ I doubt I'd know much of anything... except how to inbreed more... wouldn't even need to see it on Jerry Springer's show... :hide:
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 05:43 PM
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8. I think it is ridiculous to lump these subjects together
In some of these cases, such as taking meth, what the person does affects not only themselves but the people around them. A person on meth is an irresponsible and potentially dangerous person.

An abortion is the killing of another life, and should be done only as a last option. To just say you support it, is to send the message that it is an Okay option.

Tatoos - that hurts no one, other than possibly someone's sensibilities.

YOu don't seem to have the idea that people should care about each other or be involved in other's well-being.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 05:47 PM
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9. Families? Friends? Yes.
Strangers? The government? No.
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 05:51 PM
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11. I understand what you are saying
It is the right of a person to do whatever they want to their own body no matter how disgusting it is. I think most can agree that abortion is disgusting. But it is a persons' right and often a necessity. Each of the items you mentioned have different emotions associated with them, but there was one commonality between them. I agree because freedom is what this country was all about, and can be gain.
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