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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:31 PM
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new poll indicates that Hillary bests McCain 51-44 nationally
I thought everybody loved McCain! and hated Hillary?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/20/poll.08/index.ht...

according to the poll, Hillary polls better if her full name "Hillary Rodham Clinton" is used rather than simply "Hillary Clinton"--I can't for the life of me understand why.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:35 PM
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1. Politicians always sound better with middle names.n/t
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cobaindrain Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:38 PM
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2. Democratic underground, like FR, is not an accurate representation...
...of the majority of the country.

Yes Hillary does have a chance, and yes there are many people out there who like and support her in 2008.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:39 PM
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3. actually I was going by the media which always promoting McCain
and trashing Hillary.
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quickesst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:40 PM
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4. Rodham...
probably adds an air of statesmanship for those who, for some reason, percieve some kind of extra "I'm credible, but more credible now" when the name is added. Shallow, but it's true. Thanks.
quickesst
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:43 PM
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5. I'm curious how the numbers look on an electoral map.
Not as good I'll bet. (Not to say I wouldn't vote for, work for, donate to and be happy to have Senator Clinton as my President).
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:43 PM
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6. Fact: Repugs vote for Hillary in these polls
Hillary is the republican's Democratic nominee of choice. So they push her every chance they get. So of course they choose Hillary in the poll.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:44 PM
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8. ditto!!!
amigo. :D

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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:45 PM
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9. then why in most other polls is she trailing McCain or Guiliani or do
Republicans only vote for her in polls where she leads?

note: I don't favor Hillary in '08, but I think some of the anti-Hillary comments on DU go too far.
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 05:15 PM
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14. Accurate polls take into account party affiliation
They ask you what your party affiliation is first, and use that information in conducting the poll and then weighting the results. This CNN poll is just a poll of how 506 adults would vote in a national race between Hillary and McCain.

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:52 PM
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11. Yeah, I'm sure that's it. nt
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:57 PM
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12. Cite your sources...
For your completely ludicrous assertion.
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 09:26 PM
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16. OK, here's one for starters
http://www.slate.com/id/2141639 /

Republicans for Hillary
Are they pretending she's a strong presidential candidate? Or do they really believe it?
By John Dickerson
Posted Thursday, May 11, 2006, at 7:12 PM ET

Republicans don't vote in Democratic primaries, which is why it's something of a surprise that they've already chosen the 2008 Democratic presidential nominee: Hillary Clinton. Karl Rove has declared that "anybody who thinks that she's not going to be the candidate is kidding themselves." Key GOP activists and fund-raisers are signing up with John McCain and telling his advisers they think he's the only one who can beat her in a general election. Conservative John Podhoretz has skipped over the electoral process altogether and is ready to make Clinton president. In the newly released, Can She Be Stopped?, he argues that without an immediate programmatic effort to dismantle her, she will beat the Republican candidate in 2008.

Of course, letting your political opponent pick your party's nominee is like letting your mother pick your fiance. They have no idea what you want, and their motives aren't pure. It's a conventional political trick for partisans to anoint the rival party leader they most hope to face. Republicans might well say she'll be the nominee in the hopes of putting her on the Commander in Chief trajectory: overblown hype leading to a spectacular flameout. Conservative direct-mail vendors have a particular interest in touting her. She is so reviled in Republican circles that they can reduce their fund-raising appeals to a single word: Hillary. For other Republicans, she is a comforting object of scornwith their party in such dire shape, railing about her is the one thing they can all agree upon.

(snip)
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 04:08 PM
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17. Not a source...speculation...
Regurgitation of CW coming from the blogosphere...

Show me any credible information that Republicans are somehow skewing Hillary;s poll numbers...!


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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 05:19 PM
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15. Do you really believe that?
With all the screaming horror that the Republicans demonstrate every time her name is brought up, do you really think that there's some kind of massive global conspiracy among Republicans to vote for HRC in irrelevant phone polls? Do you have any idea how silly that sounds?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:44 PM
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7. According to MY poll Hillary has no chance whatsoever, but Al Gore will win
in a landslide. :)



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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:51 PM
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10. She's unelectable, I hear. nt
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:58 PM
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13. I think CNN just pointed out how these polls are complete bullshit
Edited on Mon Oct-23-06 05:02 PM by Hippo_Tron
When the swing is decided based on using someone's her middle name or not, it means that this early in the process we don't have a fucking clue whether Senator Clinton can win or not based on polling data.

Also, we should wait another 2 weeks before we start talking about this. Once we can breate easy that the Democrats have control of the House and hopefully the Senate, we can do all of the Hillary speculation we want since there's really nothing else political to do during the holiday season after election.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 04:16 PM
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18. One thing is for sure
Senator Clinton should have no problem beating whomever the Republics decide to put in a barrel and toss over Niagara Falls in 2008 if she decides she wants to become president. Choke on that freeps.

Don
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:29 PM
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19. punt
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