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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:08 AM
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REPORT: Bush Officials Were ‘Rooting’ For N Korea to Test Nuclear Weapon
REPORT: Bush Officials Were ‘Rooting’ For North Korea to Test Nuclear Weapon
Senior Bush administration officials wanted North Korea to test a nuclear weapon because it would prove their point that the regime must be overthrown.

This astonishing revelation was buried in the middle of a Washington Post story published yesterday. Glenn Kessler reports from Moscow as he accompanies Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice:

Before North Korea announced it had detonated a nuclear device, some senior officials even said they were quietly rooting for a test, believing that would finally clarify the debate within the administration. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...


Until now, no U.S. official in any administration has ever advocated the testing of nuclear weapons by another country, even by allies such as the United Kingdom and France.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/23/north-korea-nuclear...
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:10 AM
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1. That's pretty bad
Hooray - we've failed agian - now the American people wil remember how essnetial we are to protecting them!

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:12 AM
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2. Just remember, Condi has said EVERY situation presents opportunities
Don't doubt for a single second that that is a guiding philosophy of this administration.

The real question is how much this insane administration "games" the world scene. It seems to be a lot as belligerence and brinksmanship are the major policy tools.

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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 03:51 PM
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33. There is no tragedy so horrible that it cannot be hijacked
for political gain.
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:12 AM
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3. EVERYthing is political with these fools, isn't it?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:24 AM
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8. Frank Rich called it the "Empty spectacle"
There is no there there.

There isn't even a man behind the curtain.

Nothing there.
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:29 AM
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9. Nada
Reading this thread a cold wind came through the window.
This post, for some reason, is the most chilling of all.

J
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wake.up.america Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 12:48 PM
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25. EVERYTHING is so skewed towards BSing the public for personal gain!!!!
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 01:26 PM
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28. Absolutely.
They have set a new precedent for thinking 'inside the box.'
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:14 AM
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4. Next time some wingnut accuses you of "wanting failure" in Iraq...
...or elsewhere just to blame it on Bush, shove this under their nose.

(Not that people like that will believe the "liberal" WP anyway...)
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:14 AM
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5. So do we really know
who tested what?
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:17 AM
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6. Of course, the neocons want a war where they can use nuclear weapons
...to demonstrate that the U.S. not only has superiority in nuclear weapons technology but is unafraid to use such weapons with minimal provocation. The neocons also want to use nuclear weapons sooner rather than later, so I am sure we are now very close to a nuclear war with some nation, likely Iran, perhaps N. Korea or even Iraq. The Bush diplomacy efforts are a scam designed not to promote peace efforts by to block any alternatives which might lead to compromise and peace so that war becomes inevitable. Damn Bush, Cheney and all of their cronies.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:21 AM
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7. I am pretty sure that was supposed to be Rove's Oct. Surprise.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 02:03 PM
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31. nuke Iran?
I think so too. All those ships redeployed. War games in the Gulf.
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:35 AM
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10. Hmm, giving aid and comfort to our enemies? Sounds like treason to me. nt
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:37 AM
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11. Oh, the many ways they manipulate "the Matrix," while they steal us blind!
Watch your pocketbook, America!

Oh, they already got that? AND all your credit cards?

Time ya'all got some street smarts, my friends! And a can of mace for any politician who ever uses the word "terra" again!
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Sal316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:47 AM
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12. I've already heard the spin.....
Edited on Mon Oct-23-06 11:47 AM by Sal316
The loyal bootlickers are saying, in effect:

"Good! She's (Condi) right. We needed to know if NK had nukes. It is a plus because now we can push China."

This leaves me confused.

Clinton era 1994 Agreed Framework - bad.
Bush waiver of inspection requirements - good.
NK tests nuke - Clinton's fault yet good for the US?

:wtf: :crazy: :wtf:
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:59 AM
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13. Good news: NK has one less nuclear Bomb" Stephen Colbert
Edited on Mon Oct-23-06 11:59 AM by The Count
I guess that would qualify as a National security event meant to change elections outcome, right?
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 12:11 PM
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15. LOL! Did he say that?
:rofl:
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 12:17 PM
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19. Absolutely!
Edited on Mon Oct-23-06 12:17 PM by The Count
Actual quote
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boolean Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 12:18 PM
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21. Jon Stewart said it
Edited on Mon Oct-23-06 12:18 PM by boolean
Don't know if Colbert copied the joke, but I'm sure it was Jon Stewart who said it.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 12:03 PM
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14. Another measure of how sick this adminitration has become.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 12:13 PM
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16. A catalyzing event that didn't catalyze. I wonder if
Jon the "ill" one and Bush worked something out before the test. A quid pro quo deal.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 12:14 PM
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17. for all we know Bush had planted the darn thing
except it didn't actually go off. Something smells really fishy
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SouthernBelle82 Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 12:15 PM
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18. My question is
how in the world would they over throw Kim Jong IL? These people are truly nuts.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 12:17 PM
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20. Now the hard part: Overthrowin.
What a bunch of asshats.
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boolean Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 12:19 PM
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22. The October surprise (nm)
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 12:30 PM
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23. Plausible to me, I predicted emerg. session of Congress
my October Surprise was an emergency seesion of congress to make the GOP look all tough and full of shit and stuff, so when the NK test went off, I had a hint that they knew it was coming and we're planning for it. But the Foley scandal upended that plan and so no emergency session ever occured. I think that really couahgt them off guard more than we know and the story had legs for far onger than anyone could have predicted, and the GOP did that to themselves. So, if there was a Foely effect, it's that it may have totally fucked up a possible Oct surprise
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 12:47 PM
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24. divorced from reality is right
<snip>

The revelation that some officials secretly wanted North Korea to test their nuclear weapons is evidence of how the administration’s national security policy has become completely divorced from reality.

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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 12:50 PM
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26. It's totally plausible, but I personally don't buy it.
While this crowd is certainly crazy enough to see a mushroom cloud in North Korea as a _good_ thing, to me this reads like another reprise of the "flypaper theory": a bullshit after-the-fact rationalization concocted to make it look like the administration always _meant_ to become mired in the quicksand that currently traps it. They would rather come across as clinically insane than admit they were wrong about anything.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 12:57 PM
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27. An administration that roots for nuclear instability?
Impeachment doesn't even begin to redress this horror. It's the Hague or bust.
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j_gregory1948 Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 01:30 PM
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29. of course!!
antichrist Bush was total Armaggedon.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 01:44 PM
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30. so if Tokyo gets nuked, would that "clarify" their little debate???
I bet Japan, China, and South Korea are thrilled that the debate is "clarified".
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 03:24 PM
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32. Every mushroom cloud has a silver lining
What a wonderful world...

Newsprism
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 06:36 PM
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34. Don't forget the push for missile defense.
You can't sell that with terrorism, you need a boogeyman with missles and nukes to scare the public.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:33 PM
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35. Jerks.
Creepy, freaky, nutjobbin' jerks.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 09:27 PM
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36. They win when America loses.
You betcha they love "events"....it's all about making people afraid.
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AZgirl7 Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:34 PM
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37. War Games Over AZ
I live in the Mohave desert and for the past 3 weeks, the fighter jets have been roaring overhead day and night. The only other times I've heard this were before 'shock and awe' and 9/11 anniversaries.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:46 PM
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38. More funds for Star Wars Tech.
The MIC folk were grinning.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 03:47 AM
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39. It's Not to "...prove their point that the regime must be overthrown..."
It's not to "...prove their point that the regime must be overthrown...," If you ever want to figure out why they would do or think something this stupid, just look for the Money trail.

Who would benefit from this?

This is, and always was since the very beginning back in 2001, about sucking those $100's of Billions of Dollars out the National Treasury for that Stupid new Star Wars program, the "Strategic Missile Defense System" or what ever they are calling it now. They need a Crazy "Communist Dictator" with missiles and a bomb to justify that Stupid, will NEVER work, Missile Defense program, so they can pass all that money to their big campaign donors, then they pass some of it back later.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 06:43 AM
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40. Well as someone who lives in Hawaii
Edited on Tue Oct-24-06 06:46 AM by symbolman
I think this is a GREAT IDEA. As a matter of fact I was thinking just how GREAT it was the other day as I RODE a PIECE of CONCRETE while the concrete in my driveway, sidewalk and cul de sac all cracked and bounced, and all the cars in front of my house WAGGED back and forth, while the power went out..

THe minute that 6.8 Earthquake hit and I was outside having a smoke, I truely thought that Honolulu had been LIT UP by Korea, and was ready to drag my family to the nearest Radiology Center/Hospital and find some LEAD to hide behind.

Turning on the car radio and scanning and receiving NO TRANSMISSIONS AT ALL made me feel so much safer as well.

These fucking bastards let N. Korea kill or harm my wife and son and it won't be the N. Koreans that will pay for it, I guarantee you that, even if I have to cut my hair and PRETEND to be a Right Winger and work my way up through the ranks, there would be hell to pay at some point.

Sounds silly, but you know they DID TEACH ME TO KILL when I was drafted in 1971, and this certainly sounds like "enemies WITHIN" which I swore to FIGHT as well as Protect the Constitution, unlike BUSH or CHENEY, or RUMSFELD or any of the rest of these chickenshits.

Dear Condi, better make goddam sure that fucking nuke comes down my CHIMNEY or you will be sorry you were ever born. I moved here to be as FAR AWAY as possible from the likes of you, but if you impact ME or Family then it really will be WAR.

Meanwhile fuck off, get tried for war crimes and catch a disease, maybe anal cancer, and we'll call it even.

(Disclaimer: This is the kind of humor that Limaugh promotes so Mr Gonzales you can be sure that I represent no real harm to any of these people in power. But if someone was to shoot at them, you better believe that I would DUCK, and let the SS take care of their masters, not my job to protect them :) Maybe someone like CHENEY can come and spent a LONG Holiday here in Hawaii while the administration PISSES OFF AN INSANE DICTATOR WITH NUKES that can HIT HERE, California, Oregon,etc..)
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