What brough on the revival of the SMOKING threads?

[Toucano]

I missed something and it's grown too fast to find the origin.

Thanks

[NoSheep]

1. I just lit up. Damned nicotine.

[TahitiNut]

2. A pre-Halloween shortage of trollenza vaccine.

:evilgrin:

[NoSheep]

10. Ah-aight. You made me google 'trollenza vaccine". I'm gullible as hell.

:+

[seabeyond]

16. you are funny.... and you are no sheep. someone had a post

that some state law was saying no smoking in house that is also used as business.

[NoSheep]

20. Having a sense of humor is most certainly that only thing keeping me out

of jail! I see home smoking huts in the future (don't steal my idea)
Made out of plastic, of course, just a little decorative something for the lawn out by the back door. Personal gas chamber, if you will. With a slot they can slide your food through. Mark my words here. It's coming.

[seabeyond]

21. funny and funnier..... i hear ya n/t

[razors edge]

3. In ohio we have two initiatives

from those who feel they have the right tell others what to do on their own property.

they seem oblivious to the fact they set precedence for others to do the same to them.

[NoSheep]

5. Now there's someone with a clue.

[kiahzero]

35. I guess we should be against segregation, right?

The businesses affected by this law are the same ones that are affected by laws prohibiting segregation in public accommodations.

[NoSheep]

4. Here is a theory, and it's not pretty:

People need to feel superior to other people. I want to know, from every person who talks about a smoker like they are the worst things in the world: Are they using sustainable best practices in every aspect of their lives?

For example, how do they get to work? Are they driving, taking the bus, riding a bike, walking? How do THEY justify THEIR behavior?

Where do they get their food from? Are they buying local organic produce, or does the truck that brings their dinner use good ole gasoline? The kind that originates in a place like Iraq in which many people are dying to have power over?

What type chemicals do they use daily that contribute to the destruction of our environment? How do they justify this?

What have they done for those less fortunate than themselves lately?

Do they invest money? In what? Are people being harmed in the businesses from which they prosper? How do they make a living?

Are they fat? How much does that affect the cost of my health insurance?

Holier than thou fucks. I smoke. It is a terrible thing. I hate it and I can't quit to save my life. Where is the damn compassion for one's fellow humans?

I AM NOT DEFENDING SMOKING AS A PRACTICE OR HABIT. It's just that it blows my mind that we have ANYONE here who thinks he isn't doing something harmful to someone somewhere. And do they need me to be giving them a bunch of mouthy shit about it? Hell no. That's why I don't do it. But I'm fed up with smokers just being an easy target for anyone who's got their nose up their ass.

[seabeyond]

18. pure ugliness. people that go around saying how nice they are literally

jump into the sewer to bash a smoker. pure ugliness.

[razors edge]

27. I have smoked for 32 years

I blame none but myself and will not accept money for treatment if at some point needed and I cannot provide it myself.

My family had grown tobacco for many generations and I first hung leaf for drying when I was 5.

Nobody in my family died early from smoking related illness and I know that does not insulate me from it.

I live in Toledo with a city wide ban and have no problem going outside to smoke when out to dinner.

The problem lies with a government telling a land owner that a legal action that is heavily taxed is not permissible on their own property.

The only logical next step for this is to outlaw smoking, and possibly drinking, in your own home, especially if you have a minor in the house, even for a visit.

At that point, I myself would have no other vises left, and since I have at that point been rendered clean I would have much more time on my hands to further the efforts to provide a pristine living environment for my fellow americans and their precious offspring as they may not be as familiar with possible dangers that may still persist in the home.

Electricity would have to go. It kills, end of argument.

Cars would never be allowed in the garage, too many people die from that shit even though most were committing suicide, but it still presents a danger.

Fireplaces- Gone.

Gas water heaters/ furnace, carbon monoxide.

Paint, all houses should be stripped of it in a negative pressure HEPA filtered remediation if they were built before the 90s, possible lead poisoning ya know.

Fluoride, the most deadly toxin know to man which almost derailed the entire nuclear enrichment process due to the need to dispose of the deadly product, would have to go.

Methylchloroisothiazolinone, present in all readily available commercial shampoo and shown to cause brain damage, probably should not be allowed to be rubbed on the head.

I will commit my time and effort to protect all just as vigorously as they have committed to save me from myself, and with four years experience in hazardous waste remediation of EPA super fund sites running a Hewlett Packard Dual Flame Gas Chromatogram I very aware of the possible contaminants floating about your home and property, and I will not rest until you are as safe as I am in my new smoke free environment.

[NoSheep]

29. Methylchloroisothiazolinone. " I will not rest" until I make you safe from

this. Very well said. I can't say it, but I'm sure it would sound good if I could. :o

[razors edge]

30. had to read it off the

head and shoulders bottle, I read the reports on the stuff about a year ago, they gotta get rid of the waste stream somewhere and if they merely show a possible use and no rock solid evidence of human harm, then they can put the stuff anywhere they can get rid of it, just like fluoride.

[NoSheep]

31. Imagine all the money we give the "leaders" of this country to

make these atrocities possible. To continue to protect corporations against regulations that would insure we live in a reasonably healthy environment. The mind reels.

[razors edge]

32. i've seen the belly of the beast

from the inside of a level A hazmat suit by day and an unlimited american express card to wine and dine the regulators of the EPA for more consent orders against the corporations by night.

It is like making sausage, and at one point I sat in the multi-million dollar office of an environmental rapist who promised to make me into sausage if I didnt find in his favor, before handing me five pounds of his own special blend before I left his office.

what would you do?

[NoSheep]

33. Well, I've made sausage....let's see if we can find truth in the analogy:

In THIS PARTICULAR case....The men and boys get up at 4:30-5 am and start drinking grandpa's strawberry wine out of a plastic gallon milk jug. They do it when it's a cold month...the heat would contribute to stench and disease.

They know things the average person doesn't know. (And I couldn't carry on a decent conversation with any of them, don't get me wrong).
How to render the fat...carve the body into all the pieces that have their own names; like loin; bacon; ham; fat-back; shoulder;
They have a "smoke house". Every body they know has a smoke house...the way people just have a garage now or a bonus room.

Stay with me..

The oldest brother, the one that can't walk good, he's going to weigh and package the sausage. The women and the men who don't know the way to cut up the meat, they are the ones who make the sausage. They know what to do with the pieces they bring in to the mixing table. They know the recipe. And the pan is hot on the stove to put the very first patties in when we get the first batch done. Everyone is going to take home two pounds for their efforts.

The reason this is "particular" is that this is going to be good sausage. What that means is, the meat is pure tenderloin. No crap. They don't put any crap in their sausage that they are going to sell that they wouldn't have in their own sausage they are going to eat. There are no special batches for the dupes at the store. EVERYBODY gets the good stuff. "Sausage", in their house, doesn't have a bad name.

To back-track a bit, I forgot to mention shooting the hog in the head. I made sure that was done before I got there. But nobody lied about it, to be sure. Everybody knew we were dealing with an animal that had just been slaughtered for our own sustenance.

I traded my labor at the sausage table with this man who plowed my garden in May. It was bizarre, and extremely foreign to my lifestyle, but it had its own integrity about it.
That's what I know about making sausage. I have tended to stay away from situations where I might find myself at such an impasse that I wouldn't know what to do.
I appreciate your writing and point of view, and thought it deserved this effort to tell this story.

[razors edge]

39. brings back memories.

Some times we would make a great sausage, sometimes just better than anyone else was offering. The main thing was to make it and move on to the next chore. (No soylent green BTW)

[NoSheep]

40. That's one movie I'll never forget.

soylent green. Depicts a place where one's will is obsolete.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

6. I don't get it either

It seems like a silly distraction, a perfect example of the tendency of too many DUers to get caught up in pointless flame wars.

[NoSheep]

7. Ok. I got it. Let's start our own forum! We'll call it :

TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!

What ever happened to people just getting along and trying to be friends? Trying to figure out this mess our country is in and how we can help it. It's sickening.

[Bitwit1234]

8. Never smoked

I am so glad that I never smoked. I hear from a lot of people that it is very very hard to break the habit. I don't like the smell of cig smoke because I was around a lot of people when I was young, that smoked. In fact all my friends smoked. I can't understand why I never did, but I guess like the taste of beer - I don't like it. I drink beer at times, it has to be on tap, don't like bottle or can, and don't laugh I put chipped ice in it. I never had a problem with people who did drink but I just did not enjoy it. I guzzel coffee by the pot full so I guess if you don't have one vice you have the other.

[NoSheep]

13. You're lucky. It is a devil. I am a considerate smoker.

My problem is my own really. I don't get the reason for the venom from others. Very tiresome. As if smoking weren't bad enough without it.

[Fuzz]

9. My cigar maybe?

:shrug:

[calico1]

11. It started because there is a ballot initiative in

some state that would mandate that a person who has a home business not smoke during business hours. Something to that effect. So from there, there have been a number of threads.

[NoSheep]

14. Oh yeah. I remember hearing that. I have no problem with that...but what

might it lead to? That's the issue. Slopes are slippery at best.

[NoSheep]

15. Must correct that: If a person has a home business where they are maybe

taking care of children. But even then...Seems the public would just choose not to take their child there or do business with that person. Yep. I disagree with my first thought. Too slippery.

[Ron Green]

12. Most likely because tobacco is the greatest legal addiction.

The US government protected (even subsidized) it for years, and finally had to come to grips with its own science that it's a really nasty jones and a killer, and it's now out of bed (mostly) with the industry.

It's hard for people who are addicted to admit their weakness.

People who have quit are sometimes still scared of it, and they tend to over-react as they distance themselves from it.

[seabeyond]

19. your wrong. i have yet to hear a single person who smokes not

admit the challenge in quitting. you want to say weakness, as if that will humble me into quitting. so be it. weak. wuss. pathetic. feel better?

[bigwillq]

17. A repuke

trying to distract us from issues that really matter.

[NoSheep]

23. They have so many posts though. Am I really being naive thinking they

aren't freepers? Damn. And I got all upset over nothing! This has been fun though. Thanks for the respite from the real issues ;-)

:hi:

[KoKo]

22. "Astro-turfers" working for both sides...paid by the post to do this stuff

Smoking issue was decided long ago. But there's a new resurgence of Tobacco Claims and Tobacco Industry warring with each other. :-( It's definitely "coordinated" even though some "innocents" are caught up in it.

I've been on this site for years and never seen anything like this...so I'm suspect that it's coordinated. My 2 Cents..whether you agree or not...it's what I think is happening.

[NoSheep]

24. That is interesting. I can't believe after what we've seen from this

administration that I have one naive bone left in my body. Does that mean I'm still partially uncorrupted and have somehow escaped total cynicism? Gracious, I hope so.

[KoKo]

26. One learns to cope with "Measured Cynical Views" on issues after awhile.

You kind of learn to deal with it.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

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[NoSheep]

25. I would like to thank this thread for singlehandedly restoring my faith

in this discussion board.

:grouphug:

[johnnie]

28. Ummm

That would have been me. :hi:

I knew what I was doing, but hell if I want to let people start telling me what to do in my own home.

[DTinAZ]

36. "Home Business"

which is a distinction with a difference, Johnnie, and that's what the proposed law is apparently about.

DT

[SoCalDem]

34. Every so often people need to pick scabs :) n/t

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

37. There was just nothing else to talk about, I guess. n/t

[shanti]

38. really....

n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

41. Ehhhh, Some People Were Just Depressed And Needed To Feel Self Righteous.

Ya know, that's usually the way it snowballs. There's a thread about smoking, then another, and another, and another, as more and more DU'ers who have felt empty inside and depressed see their opportunity for a moment, just for a moment in time, to be able to stand up with self-righteous vigor and fill their deep voids with a false sense of betterness.

That's at least my take on it, anyway.

[Cleita]

43. Just another underclass to pick on whose civil rights are being

degraded IMHO.

[Jed Dilligan]

44. Anti-smoking bills on a lot of state ballots

It's an election issue.